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PM to offer apology, compensation for head tax
Updated Thu. Jun. 22 2006 8:36 AM ET

CTV.ca News

Prime Minister Stephen Harper will deliver a message of redress today in the House of Commons for a head tax once applied to Chinese immigrants.

Chinese-Canadian groups say they expect the government will also offer a multi-million-dollar compensation package to survivors who paid it, widows and their children.

"The apology, (one that is) sincere and in depth, is very important because Chinese have been in this country for over 150 years. They contribute so much to the country and building the CPR (Canadian Pacific Railway) alone -- when as many as four thousand died out of fifteen- or sixteen-thousand -- that is horrific," Gim Wong, a Canadian-born son of head tax payers told Canada AM Thursday.

Between 1885 and 1923, some 81,000 Chinese immigrants had to pay as much as $500 to enter Canada, an amount equivalent to about two years salary today.

A lawyer for the Ontario Coalition of Chinese Head Tax Payers & Families said collection of the tax stopped in 1923, but "the government replaced it...with an Exclusion Act from 1923 to 1947."

Immigration from China during that period had been banned entirely. "So for 24 years, Chinese were not allowed to come to Canada. Period," Avvy Go told Canada AM from Ottawa on Thursday.

Some of the Chinese Canadians -- who paid to get into the country at the turn of the 20th Century -- their spouses and descendants arrived in Ottawa on Wednesday. The group had been travelling across the country on a VIA Rail train dubbed the "Redress Express".

Few of the thousands of people who actually paid the tax are still alive. The government will reportedly pay between $10,000 and $20,000 to surviving immigrants, widows and first-generation children.

Using the railroad is an intentional bit of symbolism for the group, which started off from Vancouver last Friday.

"The purpose of tying this in with a railway ride is to remind ourselves that the railroad is part of the mythology of Canada and helped build Canada," said Susan Eng, co-chair of the Coalition of Chinese Head Tax Payers. "And we have to remember the Chinese workers who gave their lives to build this country."

Ralph Lung Kee Lee, 106, came to Canada as a 12-year-old boy and worked on the railroad starting at age 17. He paid the discriminatory tax.

"We are happy to be here because it's been, you know, a long waiting for this to come," said Linda Ing, his daughter.

He's carrying a ceremonial "last spike" to deliver to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who is expected to speak to the issue Thursday afternoon in the House of Commons.

On Nov. 7, 1885, the Hon. Donald Alexander Smith hammered in the last spike of the Canadian Pacific Railway at Craigellachie, B.C.

However, Chinese railway workers, who had flooded in by the thousands starting in 1881, weren't allowed to attend that ceremony.

Chinese-Canadian groups expect payments of between $10,000 and $21,000 for surviving immigrants, widows and first-generation children.

Similar payments were made by the Progressive Conservative government of Brian Mulroney to Japanese-Canadians interned during the Second World War.

"Apologies will be hollow words without substance behind it. It's important that there be some kind of token gesture while they are sill alive to see it," Eng told reporters.

However, the apology itself is crucial, she said.

"An apology means that there is a public and official acknowledgment that this was legislation that was unreservedly racist ... and this is something that the government of the day has chosen, properly, to apologize for."
 

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He should word it like this:

"I'm really sorry that my grandparents fucked y'all over before I was born."

Fuck the compensation package.
 

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i hate revisionist history ... what happened, happened and get over it and move on.

did Harper and the Con govt' pass discriminitory legislation? NO? then fuck the apology, and forget compensation.

the only 'people' who deserve even a tiny bit of consideration are the Natives ... they were not compensated for this land, nor defeated in battle (historically accepted means of claiming territory) so we owe them some compensation.

anyone else can suck shit.
 

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I would imagine that the Conservatives aren't hoping to gain that many votes from the Head Tax issue.

It's a matter of saying "see we aren't racist" and "see it only took one term for us to keep this promise" The Liberals have promised for years to do something about the Head Tax, but were never prepared to actually deliver.

The Conservatives may be able to gain some votes in the Pakistan, Singh and Hindu communities because they were also discriminated against under Liberal governments and yet always voted Liberal because they were allowed in at all.
 

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God bless Canada! :D

The oppressed could use some extra dough for pooning. :D
 

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the only 'people' who deserve even a tiny bit of consideration are the Natives ... they were not compensated for this land, nor defeated in battle (historically accepted means of claiming territory) so we owe them some compensation.
Agreed, but lets get it over with. Give each First Nation's person a set amount of money and then get on their lives. No more tax breaks, no more hand outs. They can be treated like the rest of Canada.

Anyone born in Canada is a Native, but the aboriginal people were the First Nation.
 

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sdw said:
I would imagine that the Conservatives aren't hoping to gain that many votes from the Head Tax issue.

It's a matter of saying "see we aren't racist" and "see it only took one term for us to keep this promise" The Liberals have promised for years to do something about the Head Tax, but were never prepared to actually deliver.

The Conservatives may be able to gain some votes in the Pakistan, Singh and Hindu communities because they were also discriminated against under Liberal governments and yet always voted Liberal because they were allowed in at all.
The Head Tax issue was one brought up during the last few months of the Liberal party rule, so no the conservatives are not using it to buy votes but it would have looked bad to renege on it after the election
 

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why would someone apologize over a little head?
 

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The fact is

LonelyGhost said:
i hate revisionist history ... what happened, happened and get over it and move on.

did Harper and the Con govt' pass discriminitory legislation? NO? then fuck the apology, and forget compensation.

the only 'people' who deserve even a tiny bit of consideration are the Natives ... they were not compensated for this land, nor defeated in battle (historically accepted means of claiming territory) so we owe them some compensation.

anyone else can suck shit.
The fact is man the government did something wrong and simply because the government numerous decades down the road does something to correct it, does not in anyway make that action a mistake as you suggest. The faces change over time but a government continues to exist as an entity. Time also does not wipe out past mistakes. Accepting responsibility, something the Tories often preach about, is the action taken here.

BTW, what on earth is revisionist about this anyways?
 

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10-20k not enough...

Head Tax back then was equivalent to 2years of income, even at 24k per year, an acceptable payback is 48k... that is to anyone who can prove their family paid. It'll go back to good use, we've got to keep the AMP business up!

Like some other perbite suggested, kinda wish they offered this payout to aboriginals, taxes SUCK, everyone should suck it in!--paid my taxes recently and of course still pay the fucken 14.5% tax on every fucken thing I buy AFTER tax...
 

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I think that an apology is just fine and dandy, and, if they want to compensate THOSE WHO WERE ACTUALLY CHARGED THE HEAD TAX, that's also fine and dandy..

But...

"My Great Great Grandfather paid this tax and so I should get a whole bunch of money" type claims are just opportunistic bullshit and should be given all the contempt they deserve.

Only the survivors, spouses and childern will be compensated. No grand childern, or great grandchildern
 

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dirtydan said:
BTW, what on earth is revisionist about this anyways?
at the time, there was nothing wrong with the 'head tax' ... we ALL know better now ... but for us to apologize for then is 'revising' history to say it was wrong when it happened.

do we now stand up and apologize to women for not letting them vote until the 1920's?

have we yet apologized to Aboriginals for not letting them vote until the 1950's???

has anyone yet apologized to me for kicking my family out of France for being Catholics a couple hundred years ago???

why not?

I thought the report on the news last night from people from the Chinese community was wonderful: they all said its time to move on! Lets.
 

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In -fucking-sanity. People will emigrate no matter what the coinditions if they think it will lead to a better life. Look at the ones who sell all their pessessions to be smuggled in shipping containers, or stuff themselves into rail cars in 120 degeree heat. The know if they survive it will give them and their offsring a chance at something more than what was available in their home country. The head tax payers were the same. Yes it was racist, yes it was unfair, and they faced huge hardships when they arrived, but they could have avoided it all by not coming to Canada. Fact is they would have paid 100 times to get out of feudal China. Instead of being grateful for the life they built here their relatives are pissed and demand compensation. Cry me a river. The relatives could always go back to China to start a new life there instead of demanding compensation, but I don't see that happening any time soon. And what about the Exclusion Act that barred Chinese from entering? Does that mean anyone in China that wanted to come, but weren't allowed should sue us? Ridiculous, but at oeast we seem to be off the hook for their compensation so maybe that was a better decision.
 

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and BTFW: both my parents immigrated to Canada and both had to repay the costs of getting here and neither of them were allowed to work in their 'professions' until such time as had repaid every single penny of the costs at the wages paid by the jobs they were 'given' when they arrived.

took them both over two years at shit wages and then they moved to the west coast and got jobs 'as they could' because they were immigrants.

they both had a good life here, so no complaints about that ... but what's the fucking dif between a 'head tax' and what they went through?

If our PC govt is going to re-write history and apologize for what happened then grow some balls and stand up and apologize to everyone that ever got screwed by the Canadian govt!

If this govt really, really wants to apologize for something, then it should be for wasting billions of dollars of tax money on stupid things for stupid people for stupid reasons ...

now that's an apology I would accept!
 

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FuZzYknUckLeS said:
He should word it like this:

"I'm really sorry that my grandparents fucked y'all over before I was born."

Fuck the compensation package.
it frightens me when I agree with your opinion ;)


LonelyGhost said:
the only 'people' who deserve even a tiny bit of consideration are the Natives ... they were not compensated for this land, nor defeated in battle (historically accepted means of claiming territory) so we owe them some compensation
I don't deny or object to any of your comments. The only thing I would ask is when will the debt to the natives be paid in full?


sdw said:
I would imagine that the Conservatives aren't hoping to gain that many votes from the Head Tax issue
You say that like it comes as a surprise that any government would act differently. At least the Conservatives did it early in their mandate and at are IMO sincere about it vs. dodging the issue like the previous Liberal gov't.


peety said:
10-20k not enough...taxes SUCK
Where the fuck do you think the money comes from? You say its not enough then bitch about taxes.....pull your head out of your ass scooter.


LonelyGhost said:
If this govt really, really wants to apologize for something, then it should be for wasting billions of dollars of tax money on stupid things for stupid people for stupid reasons
AMEN!!! Lets start with departments/agencies/offices like:
-Commissioner of Official Languages
-Governor General
-CRTC
-Katimavik
-EVERY federal gov't office located in Hull
 

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I don't deny or object to any of your comments. The only thing I would ask is when will the debt to the natives be paid in full?
in past posts I have said that every aboriginal person should be paid $1 million and case closed. no land claims, fishing, hunting, logging rights etc ...

one mil, get lost.
 

LonelyGhost

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just call me chief
called you worse! :)

but hey, make a claim ...

actually, if you have a business, there's billions of goverment
money just waiting to get tossed your way! its kept Bombardier et al
going for decades!

and its alot easier to claim you're a legit 'business' than it is to
claim you're a legit 'aboriginal'!
 

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they both had a good life here, so no complaints about that ... but what's the fucking dif between a 'head tax' and what they went through?
"When Canada in 1885 imposed a $50 head tax on Chinese immigrants it wasn't the only nor the first country to do so, Australia in November 19, 1857 imposed a head tax of 10 pounds on all Chinese arrivals. Canada's wasn't the first to use legislature to bar Chinese from entering the country either. The USA has this honour when in 1882 it passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. Less than twenty years later, in 1901 Australia passed the Immigration Restriction Act or better known as the White Australia Policy. In 1923 Canada passed the Chinese Immigration Act on July 1, ironically the nation's birthday.

What sets Canada's action apart from the others is the head tax was imposed soon after the completion of the TransCanada railway. During the latter phrase of this project thousands upon thousands of Chinese workers were brought in not only as a cost saving measure but also they were the only people who would worked in areas so dangerous that others had refused. Because the Chinese workers were paid substantially lower than the caucasian workers the Canadian government's saving was estimated to be nearly $3 million dollars.

These Chinese workers were assigned to work along the treacherous Fraser Canyon. Names such as Hell's Gate, Jaws of Death Arch, and Indictment Hole give an indication of the terrain. Some say for every foot of railway a Chinese died. Another reason for the high casualty is due to the fact the Chinese were more often than not given the backbreaking and hazardous jobs of tunneling and handling of explosives.

How important was the railway to Canada? One of British Columbia's conditions in joining the Dominion of Canada was a railway linking it to the rest of the country over the Rockie Mountains. Without the Chinese workers we could say with certainty there wouldn't be any railway. This was acknowledged by Sir John A. MacDonald, Canada's first Prime Minister. Without the railway, British Columbia wouldn't had joined the confederation of Canada. So Canada as we know today wouldn't even exist. However, during the Last Spike, a ceremony to commemorate the completion of the railway linking Canada from coast to coast, not one Chinese was present.

What consequences did these measures had on the Chinese aside from barring their entry? How did it affected the families, the wives and children? Did it affected the grandchildren?

In Australia, more than a few caucasians were surprised (shocked?) to discover their Chinese roots. Relations were suppressed such that grandchildren didn't know their grandparents despite the almost daily encounters. The term living windows and paper sons is a byproduct of the American Chinese Exclusion Act and its loophole. This was not, however, confined to those immigrated to the USA. It was more or less similar for those immigrated to Canada. Repealing the Chinese Immigration Act in 1947 created many paper sons Canadian style.

The head tax prevented all but a few wealthy Chinese from having their families joined them in Canada. As a matter of fact it took them years of hard work and saving just to repay their own head tax loans. It was only after the head tax loan was repaid then they can saved for the return trip. Then it is no surprise the immigrants were generally married at a later age than their stay-at-home counterparts. The Chinese Exclusion Act together with the Great Depression and the Japanese invasion and occupation of China meant many husbands and wives never meet again after their wedding. It was not uncommon for them to be separated for twenty or thirty years before they see each other again. For the more fortunate ones this interval was shorten to between five and ten years. All these meant many started their family only when they were in their forties or the age differences between siblings are such that they represented different generations. In most cases these children were deprived of knowing their grandparents and many of these parents didn't lived to see their children entered adulthood. We have at least two generations who weren't able to connect with their culture, heritage and past beyond their parents. We have at least two generations who did not know their grandparents.

Contrast this with the much heralded Canadian Homestead Program where immigrants predominately from Eastern Europe to settle in the Canadian prairie. The government gave them free acrages of land in one of the world's bread baskets and generous assistances in establishing a new life in Canada."



LG, I believe this last paragraph explains the main differences. I am not saying your parents got a sweet heart deal but if you want to compare misery, you are not even close.


I listened to an interview with Stephen Harper (never really liked the guy), but one thing that he said really nailed it for me. He was asked why the redress now and he replied that by doing it while there are still a few of them alive it would probably be more meaningful. Now we can all move on.
 
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Wilde,

Excellent post. I did not know the extent of suffering by the Chinese in Canada, it seemed above and beyond similar experiences by Chinese and other immigrants elsewhere in the world. Before your post I myself would have said that compensation was <b>unnecessary</b> as the Chinese who immigrated here during those times knew of the hardship about to face them but at least it was better than what they were faced with back in their own country - and that their inheritors benefitted from greatly from their immigration. But if what you say is true (and it sounds legit), I would wonder if a Chinese at the time knew what they were really going through, would they make that same choice? It seems they could not have known and were literally forced into equivocal slavery in order to build a nation for a government that was complicit in their manipulation. A deep and sorrowful apology is owed in the very least.
 
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