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storm rider

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Neighbours were stunned to learn recently that a city-owned property in the West End intended for affordable housing was advertised on Craigslist at a price decidedly unaffordable even for average renters, let alone the low-income families for whom the home was intended.

The three-bedroom suite, in a neighbourhood where such units are famously scarce, is part of a collection of homes purchased and renovated by the city, at taxpayer expense, decades ago to provide affordable homes for “low-income families” in the neighbourhood.

The unit in question had, for the last seven years, provided an affordable home for local teacher Danny Laufer, his spouse and their two children. When Laufer’s family moved out this year, they hoped a local family they knew would be able to move into the unit. That family, which has a boy and a girl, is currently living in a one-bedroom apartment in the West End, and would have jumped at the opportunity to move into a three-bedroom home in the neighbourhood that was actually affordable.

However, they were shocked to learn Laufer’s former unit was being advertised on Craigslist for $2,850 a month, far beyond what the hopeful family could afford.


So Laufer wrote a letter on Saturday, Aug. 17, to Vancouver’s mayor and council, also copying West End Coal Harbour MLA Spencer Chandra Herbert and provincial Housing Minister Selina Robinson, expressing his dismay that the city was “taking away precious family housing that exists, and replacing it with market rate housing that is not geared to families.”

“I just don’t get it,” Laufer said when reached by phone. “Everybody on council now ran on the platform of housing … What’s going on?”
a close up of text on a white background: A Craiglist ad, since removed, for a three-bedroom home for rent in Vancouver’s West End, owned by the City of Vancouver. A Craiglist ad, since removed, for a three-bedroom home for rent in Vancouver’s West End, owned by the City of Vancouver.

As of the following Monday, the Craigslist ad was still online, but by last Tuesday it had been taken down.

But some neighbours are still angry about it, including Judy Graves, who lives across the street.

Graves, who worked for the city for 33 years until her retirement in 2013, worries about the policy shift that the Craigslist ad seems to represent. And she wants the city to publicly explain why and how that shift came about.

“There’s definitely been a policy shift, but I don’t know if council was informed of that policy shift,” said Graves, who previously served as Vancouver’s advocate for the homeless. “I think most people who are on the current council would understand immediately the amount of outrage that will be experienced by people in Vancouver, when they realize they paid for social housing that is now being rented out for top dollar, and families are being screwed.”


The property in question is part of the Barclay Heritage Square Residences, a group of six multi-storey, century-old houses that the city bought and converted, in the 1980s, into seven two-bedroom and 11 three-bedroom units, intended to provide housing for low-income families.

Using the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation’s definition of affordability — meaning a household spends no more than 30 per cent of its before-tax income on housing — a monthly rent of $2,850 would only be affordable for a household earning more than $110,000 a year. Vancouver certainly needs more three-bedroom homes that are affordable for families in that income bracket — a family with two public school teachers and two kids, for example, could afford that home.

But that’s certainly a far cry from the “low-income families” described as the Barclay residences’ intended residents in its provincial housing registry listing, considering a $110,00 household income is more than double the median household income for Vancouver renters, according to the city’s own stats.
a woman standing in front of a building: Judy Graves, who lives across the street, in front of the three-bedroom West End suite that was, until last week, being advertised on Craigslist for $2,850 a month. ‘I think most people who are on the current council would understand immediately the amount of outrage that will be experienced by people in Vancouver, when they realize they paid for social housing that is now being rented out for top dollar, and families are being screwed,’ she says.

The province’s registry describes the Barclay Heritage Square Residences as “low-rent units,” and says: “Preference is given to low-income families (two or more people, with minor children accompanied by one or two adults) who have lived in the West End for at least one year.”

The rationale for the city providing a housing option for renters already living in the West End, as Graves understood it, was so that families who had been displaced through no fault of their own — a renoviction or demoviction, for example — could remain in the neighbourhood and wouldn’t need to yank their kids out of school.

But the city, apparently, is looking to change the way these homes will be used in the future.

The city’s operating agreement with B.C. Housing for Barclay Heritage Square expires in October 2020, city spokeswoman Lauren Stasila said in an emailed statement, and the city is now “reviewing the rent structure that will address both affordability levels and the financial sustainability of Barclay Heritage Square as units become vacant.”

When Postmedia sent questions to the city last week about the Craigslist ad, Stasila replied: “This ad has been removed as staff conduct a financial analysis and review options that will address both affordability levels and the financial sustainability of Barclay Heritage Square in light of the pending expiry of the B.C. Housing Operating Agreement.”

“Staff are currently working with B.C. Housing on strategies to support the financial self-sustainability of Barclay Heritage Square once the operating agreement ends and operating subsidies terminate,” she said. “There are no other units currently renting at market rents.”

Graves learned about the Craigslist ad through a conversation in the dog park with one of the long-time Barclay Heritage Square residents. That resident did not want to be named publicly for fear of reprisal, but said she was “shocked” to learn the unit was being advertised at market rents.

“This ad went on Craigslist the same week the city announced some new below-market housing,” the resident said, referring to a housing funding announcement earlier this month in East Vancouver featuring the mayor, federal housing minister and other politicians posing for photos in front of a construction site. “That housing is still a few years out (from being constructed and occupied), and in the meantime, you’re going to deplete the stock of non-market housing?

“It’s un-freaking-believable,” she said.

In the meantime, that three-bedroom home remains empty at the Barclay residences, Stasila said, “while staff are reviewing the rent structure.”

Sweet jebus....a city owned housing project that was purchased in the 1980's at tax payer cost and renovated at tax payer cost and the City of Vancouver wants $2850 a month in rent....add in the hydro and call is $3100 a month.

That is 5 times the cost of my mortgage payment/bills when I had a mortgage for my half duplex in Calgary....that is just fucking NUTS....at the same time it is "affordable housing" owned by the City that does not pay property taxes
on it's own property and has been subsidized/paid for by tax payers.

I can understand why people are willing to commute from as far as Chilliwack/Hope for work as they just CANT afford to even rent in the GVRD never mind OWN a property.

Info was copied from the Vancouver Sun online.

SR
 

masterblaster

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Maybe one of these days you’ll post something positive. Must be a hard life to be so negative all the time.
 

80watts

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That is not just Vancouver all the major cities are like that, people have to move out to the boonies to afford to have a place either renting or buying. The best bang for your buck these days might be a houseboat or a trailer park.

For expansion in those areas a houseboat could build down into the water and trailer park could build up into the air (an trailer park highrise). I think the MEC has camping tents you can put on vehicles...
 

storm rider

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Maybe one of these days you’ll post something positive. Must be a hard life to be so negative all the time.
Wow what a surprise,I am posting/threading something "negative" but it is reality.I hear that same shit from my brother who has lived in Vancouver for the last 25+ years on welfare and whenever I talk to him says I am so "serious" and yet at the same time
he is resentfull towards me because I own my own home because of hard work and being focused on the goal of life to exceed the accomplishments of my Father.Not get it handed to me via an inheritance....just make it on my own merits and grit.

Got 20 years now without a sick day for me....what say you?

SR
 

Gardener

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Wow what a surprise,I am posting/threading something "negative" but it is reality.I hear that same shit from my brother who has lived in Vancouver for the last 25+ years on welfare and whenever I talk to him says I am so "serious" and yet at the same time
he is resentfull towards me because I own my own home because of hard work and being focused on the goal of life to exceed the accomplishments of my Father.Not get it handed to me via an inheritance....just make it on my own merits and grit.

Got 20 years now without a sick day for me....what say you?

SR
Congrats that you’ve made it on your own. Guess what, so have most other people. Ive lived in Vancouver for 50 years and wouldn’t dream of living anywhere else. Does the city have problems, of course it does, just like every other city.

You say that negativity is reality, well so is positivity. I see way more good things and people on a daily basis than I do negative. You are clearly a glass half empty kind of guy, which is surprising, considering you own your own house, are gainfully employee, drive a hot car and generally live an error free life like you consistently remind the board of. Do you ever ask yourself why you’re so negative considering your charmed, self made life? If I was you, I’d have a spring in my step.
 

poonerboi

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An article from spring of 2018 in th Georgia Strait

It’s 2018, and the City of Vancouver has changed the definition of “for-profit affordable rental housing”.

For this year, a new three-bedroom rental on the West Side of the city with a starting rate of $3,702 per month is considered affordable.

Also regarded as affordable rental rates in the same part of the city are $2,756 for a two-bedroom unit; $1,903, one bedroom; and $1,646, studio.

For 2018, a new rental in East Vancouver with three bedrooms with a starting rate of $3,365 is deemed affordable by the city.

Also for the same part of the city, the following rates will be considered affordable: $2,505 for a two-bedroom rental; $1,730, one bedroom; and $1,496, studio.

Most of the rates represent increases from previous amounts set by the City of Vancouver for new developments to qualify as “for-profit affordable rental housing”.

The city provides various incentives for “for-profit affordable rental housing”.

One incentive is an exemption from payment of development cost levies if developers meet the “affordable” rental rates set by the city.

Developers are also allowed to construct taller buildings and additional units.

The building of for-profit affordable rental housing is a signature program of Mayor Gregor Robertson and his Vision Vancouver caucus in council.
 

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World's 10 most expensive housing markets in 2017
1. Hong Kong, China
2. Sydney, NSW, Australia
2. Vancouver, BC, Canada
4. Auckland, New Zealand
5. San Jose, CA, US
6. Melbourne, VIC, Australia
7. Honolulu, HI, US
8. Los Angeles, CA, US
9. San Francisco, CA, US
10. Bournemouth & Dorset, UK
And the most affordable ...
The United States once again emerged as the most affordable major housing market, a title it has held for the past four years.
The least expensive places to live in the United States were Racine, in Wisconsin, and Bay City, in Michigan, which had a score of 1.8 and 1.9, respectively.
Japan and the UK followed as the second and third most affordable nations, with respective ratings of 4.1 and 4.5.
World's 10 most affordable housing markets in 2017
1. Racine, Wisconsin, US
2. Bay City, Michigan, US
3. Decatur, Illinois, US
4. Elmira, New York , US
5. East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania, US
6. Karratha, Australia
7. Lima, Ohio, US
8. Moncton, Canada
9. Peoria, Illinois, US
10. Rockford, Illinois, US
 

badbadboy

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Lol. How do I do "thumbs up" on this forum?

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About this thread, the only regret I have leaving Calgary is I am no longer an hour away from Banff and Kananaskis.

I haven’t looked back once with any regrets, other than my kids won’t be buying houses here.
 

haigum141

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2850 a month for government subsidized housing? Come on, that's chump change.

People here pay 400+/hr to see an SP :p

Compare that to housing, you are able to live in your house 24 hours of the day as long as you make the payment, it's only about 3.95/hour that you pay for the month.
 

storm rider

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About this thread, the only regret I have leaving Calgary is I am no longer an hour away from Banff and Kananaskis.

I haven’t looked back once with any regrets, other than my kids won’t be buying houses here.
The golf course at Kananaskis has been rebuilt and damn is it just as nice as before but with a few holes changed.

SR
 
Charging 3k a month for rent in a subsidized setting will definitely attract certain clientele. It’s already expensive enough as it stands to live in the west end, they want a more inclusive demographic they don’t want everyone to be a 100k household there but that’s pretty much what they aimed for. Think of west Vancouver, not much anybody can live there, and that’s basically what they did. There’s definitely cheaper options and areas they could look to have subsidized housing in, not just the fancy areas.


I’ve lived in Vancouver for over a decade and come back almost every year. It’s got some major issues that are hard to ignore. Drug use, housing affordability issues, heavy traffic and generally high cost of living. All major cities have these issues but Vancouver puts it on another level. Years ago I could have bought a house here but chose not to for the above reasons. I’d rather live in a nicer 450k house then a 600k dump. I don’t care how nice the weather is or how much the house in question went up in value, I don’t have to ever worry about falling and getting hit with a syringe. My family that’s still in Vancouver face it every day and they live in the nicer areas of the city. Suddenly -30c winters seem worth it.

And I also hate the idea of ICBC, just had to add that��
 
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Congrats that you’ve made it on your own. Guess what, so have most other people. Ive lived in Vancouver for 50 years and wouldn’t dream of living anywhere else. Does the city have problems, of course it does, just like every other city.

You say that negativity is reality, well so is positivity. I see way more good things and people on a daily basis than I do negative. You are clearly a glass half empty kind of guy, which is surprising, considering you own your own house, are gainfully employee, drive a hot car and generally live an error free life like you consistently remind the board of. Do you ever ask yourself why you’re so negative considering your charmed, self made life? If I was you, I’d have a spring in my step.
people are in control of their own emotions. If you take it as a negative then it is.. He's just spouting off facts. Like it or leave it, but it is what it is. He doesn't need to be Mr Positive, unless there's like a pay cheque coming his way for doing so. I'm pretty sure thats what therapists are for. You pay them for positivity.
 
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