gfe

[leilani_luv]

hi yall,
just wondering something if i dont provide dfk would i not be considered a gfe?the reason im asking is because i had an appointment earlier with a client and he came over.i asked him to take a shower.when he was done i asked him for the donation we got comfortable and he leaned in for a kiss.i told him i dont kiss and he decided to leave wich was fine.he took back the donation and left.although he was a nice guy and we had spoke and emailed each other a few times.we just didnt click i guess.so is not kissing a client mean im not a gfe or a bad sp?

what do you all think?

 

[VicGuy36]

Certainly not kissing means not a GFE.

I would think LFK would be the minimum, and DFK is what I would hope to be part of the GFE.

My 2 cents--for what it's worth.

 

[leilani_luv]

vicguy36,
whats lfk?sorry im fairly new on the board so sometimes i dont know the abbreviations

 

[VicGuy36]

LFK=light french kissing, my interpretation is a bit of tounge interaction in the front part of the mouth. As opposed to DFK=deep french kissing.

 

[hitrack]

To me there is 3 kinds of kissing

1: everywhere but on the lips
2:lips but no tongue
3: DFK, or as I call it Speaking French to a girl.

To me DFK is seperate from GFE, and is definately something that you as a client know you like to do and should communicate that in the setting up of the appiontment.

As a matter a fact asking a SP if she provides GFE is so vague it could mean anything. You better bloody well say I like to cuddle and DFK, or to some chicks holding hands is as GFE as they like to be.

 

[Kev]

hi yall,
just wondering something if i dont provide dfk would i not be considered a gfe?the reason im asking is because i had an appointment earlier with a client and he came over.i asked him to take a shower.when he was done i asked him for the donation we got comfortable and he leaned in for a kiss.i told him i dont kiss and he decided to leave wich was fine.he took back the donation and left.although he was a nice guy and we had spoke and emailed each other a few times.we just didnt click i guess.so is not kissing a client mean im not a gfe or a bad sp?

what do you all think?

Well leilani when you look at the term GFE it means 'Girl Friend Experience.' You said this client 'leaned in for a kiss,' you never said that he wanted to shove his tongue down your throat. I don't feel that if an SP doesn't 'Deep French Kiss' that the term GFE has not been met, but if no kissing at all is not allowed. Well i would be a little suspect .

An SP that provides GFE and what that means to her is as vague as looking at a container of fruit punch that says "Contains 100% Real Juice." Whats that really mean?

And NO because you don't DFK, doesn't mean your a bad SP. Kev's 2cents. --- Kev

 

[gymguy]

Even light kissing is really great and I love it. It adds a level of intimacy to the session. My recent session with Sammara was enhanced by even this activity.
You should consider it unless you don't feel comfortable. To me GFE includes at least light kissing.

 

[Privan]

To start with, take Kev's advice to heart. Just because you don't offer a service doesn't mean you're a bad SP.

To me personally, a GFE isn't so much about service, it's all about how you feel during a session. Normally there isn't a whole lot you can do about that. If there is a connection, you're both comfortable with each other, then chances are the client feels it's at least pretty close to a GFE experience. Just be yourself, do what you feel comfortable doing, and have fun. You do that, and I'm sure most men who see you will walk away happy.

Trying to offer DFK if you're not comfortable with it, just because you think it will improve your "image", will only lead to disaster. Look at the recently revived post by Victoria-Lee on the subject of BBBJ vs CBJ. Granted it's kind of the opposite, most people would view going from BBBJ to CBJ as a downgrade, but the same still applies. If Victoria-Lee enjoys giving BBBJs but changes to CBJs, that might cause some conflict internally and she wouldn't feel as comfortable. (Maybe thinking she'd rather be giving a BBBJ, or maybe thinking she's wrong in changing her service, and so on...)

Admittedly, some men prefer a lady offers a particular service, but that's true in any situation for men & women. However, I don't think that's a serious issue to consider, many ladies don't offer a particular service and are still very popular in terms of clients.

 

[steverino]

Terms like GFE, PSE, open-minded, which have multiple meanings essentially have no meaning and create more confusion than shed light on the service. There have been several threads and reviews to substantaite that point. Luscious at VE did a very nice job by actaully defining what open-minded and very open-minded mean at her shop (provided the list of services you could expect if a lady was advertised as open-minded). Similarly, Morrigan lists her services (light kissing, DATY...) on her BC Darlings ad. which is much more insightful than a vague term like GFE. I don't know if it is a legal issue that prevents most ladies from listing services or a desire to maintain a YMMV approach that prevents the listing of services, but it sure would make it easier for the guy and avoid confusion at the "moment of truth."

 

[chuck1561]

yes VL but

GFE here anyway seems to mean what ever the person using it wants it to mean..if someone says it means bbbj to them that's what it means..if someone else says oh well it has to do with the "experience" more so than any specific "act" then that's what it means..must my opinion anyway.

 

[chuck1561]

Well it is called GIRLFRIEND Experince for a reason

DFK- yeah your girlfriend would do that
BBBJ- yup
DATY-yup
MSOG-yup

it`s not called KGFE (kinda girlfriend experience)
or LGFE (limited GFE)

Get the point???

The day comes that you `girlfriend` doesn`t allow you to kiss her, does a covered BJ, doesn`t allow you to go down on her and only allows one shot...then the real term GFE will change won`t it?

as I mentioned..GFE has different meanings for different people..some want to insist it has to do with the acts itself so it can be used as leverage etc..like the discussion here in this thread a while ago but again just my opinion..you can get all of those acts listed above but if the experience is a cold one and rushed etc I wouldn`t consider it a gfe at all..but that is my opinion on what it means..

 

[rickoshadows]

not everyone has unprotected sex with their S/O

???

by the time she attained "Significant other" status as opposed to girlfriend or booty call, unprotected sex would be the norm. But I guess, if people keep lowering the standard and then fail to meet it, the sex life of North Americans will become extinct.

rickoshadows

 

[Calgary69]

I know alot of people that use condoms....maybe the S/O isn't on the pill etc, is paranoid of getting pregnant....not EVERYONE has unprotected sex with an S/O

I would have to concur with that statement. For the longest time, one of my best friends always used condoms when doing it with his wife. They felt, at that stage of their life, they did not want to have kids yet. When they did they went on to have 2 great kids.

 

[kutha]

I have to agree with Victoria Lee and others that GFE should have some sort of tangible meaning. It seems that in Vancouver it has come to mean something very intangible like I felt I was with a girlfriend.

 

[kutha]

I applaud the SP's that state in their ads that they do not provide a GFE. Honesty is one of the most important attributes in what makes a good SP. If I was to meet a SP that said she did not provide a GFE I would expect that I would be getting a basic half and half. If I received anything extra because of YMMV I would walk away pleased, to me so much of the experience is about expectations, if a girl advertises that she is GFE, open-minded or uninhibited etc and does not provide a certain level of sevice (ie few restrictions) I would leave a little disappointed. Assuming of course that I have done my part and was freshly showered, polite and had popped a breath mint.

 

[CJ Tylers]

heh... last time I checked, a TRUE GFE...the woman would be asking the guy to take out the trash as he heads for the door, would be asking him to leave the seat down and pick up his stuff from the floor...would *shudder* be asking him "does this make me look....???"

No thanks... let's not get into what a true gfe would be... keep your sights on that pie in the sky version

 

[leilani_luv]

hi yall,
thanks for your opinions and imputs everyone.to clarify things.i dont offer dfk or greek.but from what you guys said it doesnt make me a bad sp and i dont think i am.for the longest time i was wondering why so many pooners were asking about greek(i know i have jlo butt and all)then i had my little mishap yesterday and that client told me about it.ive read it and i think there is some half truths there.ido not provide greek the reason why i know this is because ive never done that before.i dont dfk ive never done that before.

like i tell all my clients im a ymmv kind of sp.if i feel a client is treating me with respect and not pushing me to do things i dont want to do or being just a little to aggressive he will end up having a better time.personality and hygeine are also really important.i am always clean,showered,and polite to my clients never smelly or rude and i expect the same i dont think thats to much to ask for,do you?

i have never had any complaints about my service and i wouldnt consider yesterdays situation a complaint, just a mis communication between two people.not on the same page perhaps.

i can personally say i love my job and anyone who has ever seen me can agree with me on that one,but remember just because im an sp doesnt mean im a slave to every client that decides to see me.i think i give a good service with a sweet and caring personality to match.i give respect to clients and expect it in return.

again perb members thank for all your imputs,opinions,and support.

 

[leilani_luv]

thanks for the support vancouverman at least you where im coming from

 

[foxygurl26]

VICTORIA-LEE gurl you crack me up and although im not gfe i have to admit you are absolutly right i totally agree with what you said,i also advertise as an sp but but i say in my ad not gfe but eager to please....

 

[brown sugar]

GFE

Leilani
It is very difficult I have found to provide the perfect girlfriend experience with all clients. I too had a fellow come to see me...who also showered...but had the worst breath and B.O. ever...Dfk was out of the question with him...and I received a bad review because of it. I enjoy kissing, but am now afraid to say anything other than ymmv in case I get another real stinker. As far as the GFE including BBBJ...I totally disagree. A GFE should be non-rushed and compassionate. A situation where both the SP and client are both comfortable and most importantly that both parties are enjoying themselves!
Deja VE