GFE (Long and Subjective)

[Claptix]

I have been seeing professional companions for quite some time. As I stated in previous emails, I have used their services in a number of different countries. Definitely though, a very high percentage of the companions I have spent time with were North American based. Most recently, I have been spending time in Germany. The GFE experience here is incredible. With the exception of the envelope at the beginning, it is simply like an incredible date with a beautiful young woman.

First, I guess one would need to understand the significant difference and I am not even sure I can describe it. Certainly, there are certain specific activities that one could list. However, that would only cover a small percentage of the difference. There are a multitude of subtle differences that combine to create a radically different experience. If I would use one example, it is the kiss. It is not simply that the companions kiss. It is the role of the kiss and how it permeates the experience from beginning to end. For instance, there is nothing quite as sexy as a beautiful woman saying "Jon, would you please kiss me?". That simple statement set a tone that only heightened as the evening moved forward.

I started to wonder why the experience is so different here. Please, for the kind wonderful companions of Vancouver, do not take this as a slight. It is my opinion that the reasons are deeply set in our cultural mores. I would also state that these same cultural mores affect the way men perceive the process. I am not sure if North American men could keep the perspective in check if this type of GFE was the norm.

If I was a very beautiful young woman “working” in North America, I do not think I would choose to provide this level of GFE. I am also glad that I do not live here (Germany) full time. I am not sure that I would be able to maintain the fine line between fantasy and reality. It would be very difficult to see one of these companions on a regular basis, receive this type of service, and not become confused by the role. This is probably doubly true for me since I already went through the process of seeing someone as a professional companion and having that evolve into a real relationship.

I do not really have answers. I just know there is a difference. It seems that in North America this type of pure GFE exists mainly with more mature companions. This may come from heightened understanding that comes with age or it may be that, in a youth oriented-beauty first industry, providing this type of service acts as a counter balance to maintain a steady client list. I am not sure. I do know though that if you call the average random 20-27 year old very beautiful companion in most North American cities you will not receive the type of GFE I am referring to. I have heard (but not experienced) that this might be different in Montreal. If it is the case, I find it interesting.. From what I understand, Montreal may be the most “European” (culturally) city in North America.

I have rambled on enough (ok – too long) without really saying anything. It is just something I have been thinking over. If you actually read this far, I apologize for boring you to tears.

Claptix

 

[BigEye]

claptix:
I have shared first hand of your experience of the GFE experience also. From my travels including Montreal where the term 'SP' is often replaced by 'Courtesean/LDL/HDL'. In caution, there's the element of misuse of these labels also. Generally the french-canadian culture there promotes or is about the INTIMACY of the session. As you said too-often too subtle to try to describe.

And onto the general values of beauty=youth.
From advertising to constant media/enviroment (what isn't subliminal messages)? We are bombarded with this notion. We are assaulted as not being 'fresh/young/energetic/rich etc....

c-tix, you might agree here:
to each their own, but-in choosing a session companion, though, not ALWAYS the case, enjoy an experience with a 'mature >28+-'
courtesean. She has 'matured' sexually both in giving and recieving and that I find to be non-rushed with often the higher intimacy.

my 2cents.

 

[D Duk]

From my limited experience in Montreal (just started my hobbying while I was living there), I don't find that the SP's are necessarily more GFE than here. This may have been due to a language barrier (many SP's are not bilingual) and also my inexperience in the hobby (so I am not necessarily the best resource for info about SP's in Montreal).

One thing I noticed for sure, on average the SP's seemed hotter (as much of this city's night entertainment revolves around sex) but only marginally (in the 5-10% range), a little plumper than here, and definitely cheaper than here (back then outcall was 40% cheaper than here) due in part to the lower cost of living in Montreal.

The strip bars are infamous there and some of the establishments have "rooms" and/or some of the dancers work on the side.

"Chez Paris" was one of the classiest with IMHO the hottest strippers. The personal table dances just rock. There is something like 100 strip bars on the island of Montreal. Most of the popular ones were on St. Catherines St.

Other than that, yes, Montreal is culturally more similar to Europe.

 

[yoniluvrca]

Far from being boring I found you post enjoyable and thought provoking to read. A true GFE is indeed an elusive and rare find in North America. I agree that this probably has at least as much, if not more, to do with the customers as it does the SPs. You are dancing a fine line between reality and illusion with the true GFE. What you are paying for is essentially a companion who can blur that distinction to such a degree that you actually start to believe the illusion is real. It is kind of like a virtual reality experience or watching a really good movie. All your responses are as if real, yet a part of you must remember that this is an experience that will have a beginning and an end. I have a great deal of admiration for a woman who can pull this off gracefully and for the man who can join her for the ride.

The cultural climate in Europe seems much more inviting of this type of experience. There is an openness that, in general, does not yet exist in much of North America. I wonder though if it is not slowly growing on that continent. As SPs and their customers slowly become more open about these activities I think we will start to find the the quality of GFE improves in such cities as Vancouver and Toronto. I credit forums such as PERB and the men and women who share here with this improvement.

When I first started using the professional services of ladies it was a very dark and secretive hobby of mine. As one starts to share, even behind the anonymity of a handle, one starts to become just a little bit more accountable for one's actions. I can imagine that if I visited one of the lovely ladies who share regularly on this board, and then started to act like an idiot towards her, losing the plot as it were, it would not be so easy for me to continue such behaviour. This makes it safer for the ladies and hopefully more fun for the gentlemen.

This is why I encourage men in this hobby to be as open as they can be about their activities. I understand that for many this is not possible. We all have different circumstances in our lives. Some are married or perhaps have a job that could be compromised. But in order for a society to open it takes individuals to open and to be with the consequences of that openness. As is said, a journey of a thousand miles starts with one step.

Myself, at one point, I decided that I was not going to hide this part of myself any more. I chose a very close female friend and one day told her all about my activities. The reaction was surprising. She was very interested and a long conversation developed. i ended up finding out that a very close mutual friend of our actually worked as a part time SP. Far from isolating me, as I had imagined would happen, my "confession" ended up bringing me closer into a group of friends. I also have friends who, I know, judge me heavily for my activities but I have come to see that their judgement is more about them and their own fears than it is about me.

My intention in writing about this is not to tell anyone what to do. Rather I want to tell of my experience and see if it has any relevance to anyone else. Openness has no other reward except itself. Better GFEs equals more fun and I feel that we all need more fun on this planet at the moment.

 

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Even based on my very limited travel experiences, I can tell that the social mores toward sex, in general, are indeed more open in Europe than in North America. I guess this allows for diversity to cater to different populations.

What I don't understand though is why people have trouble distinguishing between fantasy and reality (in terms of the GFEs discussed in previous posts)? If they are attempting to turn one into another, then I can see that complications may arise, but it still doesn't explain the "cause" for it. One reason I can think of may be that on many levels reality does not offer enough variety due to social restrictions (see next paragraph) to satisfy people's needs, and since fantasy can often provide satisfaction matching or exceeding that of reality, people want to forget that fantasy is not real. However, a question comes to mind. How does one define reality? Is a dream any less real while one is inside it? Or it is not that reality matters, but its perception that is important. Would one rather seek a brief amount of time of calmness spent in a world of fantasy than idle away the same amount of time in the "real" world, assuming of course that the fantasy is well constructed?

On another note, I think the society as a whole should respect those outside the "norm" (I doubt this will happen) simply because there does not exist an absolute norm. What one thinks is agreeable may be blasphemous to another, and vice versa. People needs to understand that there are not "rights" or "wrongs"; they are but different facets of the same crystal. If one is to examine the crystal in its entirety, then one will discover that every single facet is just as valid as the ones surrounding it. In other words, individuality should be respected IMHO. I have no problem whatever with people who always think they are right because a good discussion is always stimulating and thought-provoking, but those who always force their values/thoughts/ways into others, even when they are right, can be slightly more than annoying at times, though I still respect them for being "persistent."

I think I am moderately off the topic, sorry.

 

[travel guy]

A true GFE is indeed an elusive and rare find in North America. I agree that this probably has at least as much, if not more, to do with the customers as it does the SPs.

Indeed. In a quest to find a true GFE in Vancouver, I've found that there are many....though I doubt that the experience would be even close to the same if I were to insist on her lowering her minimum booking time to an hour, go over a list of acceptable abbreviations, suggest to her that business might be better if she lower her rates, etc. To expect a GFE from a woman whom you've just alienated by making it known that you view her as part of a body mill would be redundant. The GFE providers that I've met here have been great at providing the elusion. If it really seems all that difficult for others to find, I'd think that it would definately have more to do with the client than the sp.

Granted, I also doubt that there are any reasonably priced GFE experiences to be had here - but how can that really be expected? I'm sure a sp can only have so many "boyfriends" per month before it occurs to her that as long as she's earning standard fees, standard service is in order. I can completely understand an sp who knows that she'll see numerous clients per month providing less than stellar service....I can also clearly understand a sp who sees one or two clients per month being pleased to see those clients and taking great care of them.

 

[Claptix]

Travel Guy - The difference though is that thus far, in my recent experiment in Germany, it has not been the exception. All three women I have seen in Germany in the last month provided pure and simple undebatable GFE's. The services that men gush about here (DFK, BBBJTC, DATY, etc) were available without question. It did not even seem to be an issue. Two of these girls were hot enough to be on the cover of Maxim anyday. The third was very attractive but I would have her at a notch below. I did not do a tremendous amount of research to seek out these specific services. I actually made the appointments based on physical attraction (photos) and was pleasantly surprised by a level of service that I do not commonly see here. It appears to be closer to the standard there.

They were also all young and very attractive. One was in the lower price range and two were in the upper. For me in Vancouver, it is not a money thing. It may be a connections and referals issue. Definitely, when I was living in San Francisco, a number of my very best experiences came from referals for companions that never advertised publicly. But, if you go to EROS, EC or the other local sites, you are hard pressed to find a "model" attractive young woman who provides a true GFE. For the most part, I am quite happy with BGE's from very beautiful women in their early to mid twenties who really show a interest in giving pleasure. For the independents that pubicly advertise outcall services, I would say there are handful in Vancouver that even meet this critera.

For me, money is not the issue. I have not even found the young model attractive girls that provide GFE's for any price. I am sure there are some hidden gems. I have just not found them yet.

As for negotiation changing the nature of an appointment, I have never negotiated on a first appointment. The only time I generally bridge negotiation is when discussing VERY extended appointments. So, at least for me, this is not the issue that is hindering GFE's with very beautiful young companions or even great BGE's.

Lol, I even provided candelight, aromatic oils, and a relaxing fountain. I am going to start seriously exploring the independent scene in Vancouver.

For instance, here are three agencies in Germany. Each have solid reputations. The girl in the ad is the girl that shows up. In almost all cases, the girls provide GFE. I can personally vouch for Venus.

If this type of agency exists in Vancouver (at any price), I am not aware of it.

http://www.venusescort.com/ladies/

http://www.agency-vip-escort.com/Seiten/Escort-Damen.html

http://www.targetescorts.com/escort-services.htm

Claptix