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Isn't this ironic? In 20 years time, will the scientific community be promoting increasing man-made CO2 to replace the loss of CO2 due to the cooling of the oceans?

Global warming could plunge North America and Western Europe into a deep freeze, possibly within only a few decades.

That's the paradoxical scenario gaining credibility among many climate scientists. The thawing of sea ice covering the Arctic could disturb or even halt large currents in the Atlantic Ocean. Without the vast heat that these ocean currents deliver--comparable to the power generation of a million nuclear power plants--Europe's average temperature would likely drop 5 to 10°C (9 to 18°F), and parts of eastern North America would be chilled somewhat less. Such a dip in temperature would be similar to global average temperatures toward the end of the last ice age roughly 20,000 years ago.

Some scientists believe this shift in ocean currents could come surprisingly soon--within as little as 20 years, according to Robert Gagosian, president and director of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution. Others doubt it will happen at all. Even so, the Pentagon is taking notice. Andrew Marshall, a veteran Defense Department planner, recently released an unclassified report detailing how a shift in ocean currents in the near future could compromise national security.


A Chilling Possibility !!!!


http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/05mar_arctic.htm

 
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What was the name of that movie done on a very similar script?
It plumeted the whole northern hemisphere into a super ice age using
the same model of changing ocean currents because of melting polar
ice cooling the water.
Pretty cool show that was. Good special effects.


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What was the name of that movie done on a very similar script?


...........QM'r
Day After Tomorrow



It is the 38th top grossing film of all time, with total revenue of US$542,771,772. It is the second highest grossing movie not to be #1 in the US box office (behind My Big Fat Greek Wedding). It currently holds the record for biggest opening weekend gross for any movie not opening at #1 with $68.7 million. The movie was filmed mostly in Montreal, and, as of 2007, is the highest grossing Hollywood film in history to be filmed in Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After_Tomorrow
 

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Link doesn't work.

neither does the brain behind it

will some one please loan him a quarter to buy a clue?

get ready, the villij idjit is gonna barrage us w/ some more highly informative stuff direct from Exxon that every discerning idjit needs to know

We don't care, we don't have to care.... we're Exxon!
 

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neither does the brain behind it

will some one please loan him a quarter to buy a clue?

get ready, the villij idjit is gonna barrage us w/ some more highly informative stuff direct from Exxon that every discerning idjit needs to know

We don't care, we don't have to care.... we're Exxon!
Who knew NASA was funded by EXXON. Wow.
 

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Isn't this ironic? In 20 years time, will the scientific community be promoting increasing man-made CO2 to replace the loss of CO2 due to the cooling of the oceans?

Global warming could plunge North America and Western Europe into a deep freeze, possibly within only a few decades.

That's the paradoxical scenario gaining credibility among many climate scientists. The thawing of sea ice covering the Arctic could disturb or even halt large currents in the Atlantic Ocean. Without the vast heat that these ocean currents deliver--comparable to the power generation of a million nuclear power plants--Europe's average temperature would likely drop 5 to 10°C (9 to 18°F), and parts of eastern North America would be chilled somewhat less. Such a dip in temperature would be similar to global average temperatures toward the end of the last ice age roughly 20,000 years ago.

Some scientists believe this shift in ocean currents could come surprisingly soon--within as little as 20 years, according to Robert Gagosian, president and director of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution. Others doubt it will happen at all. Even so, the Pentagon is taking notice. Andrew Marshall, a veteran Defense Department planner, recently released an unclassified report detailing how a shift in ocean currents in the near future could compromise national security.


A Chilling Possibility !!!!


http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2...mar_arctic.htm
i feel it!
i came back to mtl last-night and since i am wearing my winter coat. back in bc it was no need to wear it... i miss u BC!
 

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Following the U.S. Senate's vote today on a global warming measure (see today's AP article: Senate Defeats Climate Change Measure,) it is an opportune time to examine the recent and quite remarkable momentum shift taking place in climate science. Many former believers in catastrophic man-made global warming have recently reversed themselves and are now climate skeptics. The names included below are just a sampling of the prominent scientists who have spoken out recently to oppose former Vice President Al Gore, the United Nations, and the media driven “consensus” on man-made global warming.

link:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index....a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12&Region_id=&Issue_id=

Damn oil companies have been buying scientists again!! (sarcasm)
 
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Hmmm...interesting. But here's a thought for everyone:

So the options are that global temperatures may warm up a lot, or they may cool down alot or they may stay roughly the same. Assuming we don't really know what will happen, shouldn't that be a bit of a clue that maybe we shouldn't act like we can do whatever we want with this planet - consuming resources, pumping out various carbon emissions and other pollutants - without some consequences? Even if we can't tell for certain what those consequences will be?

But here's another question for the original poster (or the writer of the article if he is a frequent reader of perb - lol) - what is the reaction we are supposed to have to the article? That we are having no effect on the envirionment? Or that we are having an effect, but it's not the one we all think? In other words, whether the world heats up or turns into an ice-cube, either way, I think we may want to see what we can do about stopping that from happening, no? If the exhaust from all of our cars are causing temperature changes either way (directly or indirectly), maybe we shouldn't drive as much.

Just my ramblings
 

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Many former believers in catastrophic man-made global warming have recently reversed themselves and are now climate skeptics.
Not only can some people not learn from their mistakes, they continue to revel in their god-given ignorance.

Perry: Look up idiot in the dictionary. You know what you'll find?
RH: A picture of me?
Perry: No! The definition of idiot. Which you fucking are!
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Randy Whorewald

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Hmmm...interesting. But here's a thought for everyone:

So the options are that global temperatures may warm up a lot, or they may cool down alot or they may stay roughly the same. Assuming we don't really know what will happen, shouldn't that be a bit of a clue that maybe we shouldn't act like we can do whatever we want with this planet - consuming resources, pumping out various carbon emissions and other pollutants - without some consequences? Even if we can't tell for certain what those consequences will be?

But here's another question for the original poster (or the writer of the article if he is a frequent reader of perb - lol) - what is the reaction we are supposed to have to the article? That we are having no effect on the envirionment? Or that we are having an effect, but it's not the one we all think? In other words, whether the world heats up or turns into an ice-cube, either way, I think we may want to see what we can do about stopping that from happening, no? If the exhaust from all of our cars are causing temperature changes either way (directly or indirectly), maybe we shouldn't drive as much.

Just my ramblings
I agree, I think we should all cut back our consumption somewhat. What I have a problem with is the unproven theory that we (man) are the cause of global warming. If that were the case, we would see every successive year get warmer than the previous year wouldn't we? Of course this past winter disproves that.:)
 

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What I have a problem with is the unproven theory that we (man) are the cause of global warming. If that were the case, we would see every successive year get warmer than the previous year wouldn't we? Of course this past winter disproves that.:)
Randy.. I am not an expert.. but your notion of every year being warmer and pointing out one year of cooler temperatures as proof that global warming does not exist is a little simplistic. Like a bull stockmarket.. global temperatures rise and fall unpredictably even during an uptrend. You could even have several colder years.. but overall be warming...
Heres some info:
Historical records indicate the average global temperature increased by 0.5 to1° Fahrenheit (F) between 1890 and 1990. In the next 100 years, scientists predict the temperature may rise another 2 to 6° F. Such increases have occurred previously in Earth’s history, but never over such a short time span. In fact, the average global temperature has risen more in the last century than at any time in the past 10,000 years.

The argument that man is causing some iminent disaster is questionable, but I think there is enough evidence for us to start looking at the various greenhouse gases (not just CO2) that we produce and see how we can reduce them.
My 2cents
 

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The argument that man is causing some iminent disaster is questionable, but I think there is enough evidence for us to start looking at the various greenhouse gases (not just CO2) that we produce and see how we can reduce them.
My 2cents
Agreed - and if it were otherwise, we wouldn't have global warming on Mars.

Randy.. I am not an expert.. but your notion of every year being warmer and pointing out one year of cooler temperatures as proof that global warming does not exist is a little simplistic. Like a bull stockmarket.. global temperatures rise and fall unpredictably even during an uptrend. You could even have several colder years.. but overall be warming...
Jack; - that does not explain why we have had both warmer and cooler periods here well before man became a factor in the equation. The only thing for certain on this planet is that there will always be change and there is not a lot that you or I can do about it.
 

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The only thing for certain on this planet is that there will always be change and there is not a lot that you or I can do about it.


Crikey - at least you're recycling... which is a good contribution... a good start.

Fawk man :D this was all dealt with in that most inconvenient thread..... next.
 

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Fawk man :D this was all dealt with in that most inconvenient thread..... next.[/QUOTE]

No this thread is actually about [B][SIZE="4"][COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]GLOBAL COOLING[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B].
 

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cool colour effect :D

sigh... uhhh... this highly debatable premise would be caused by what? Huh... can ya speak up? By what?
You're probably thinking about man made CO2.

And you probably already know that this planet has been warming since the 1850's - well BEFORE there was any increase of CO2 atmospheric greenhouse gas to speak of.

CO2 emissions from mankind was negligible at the time and for decades afterwards.
 

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Isn't this ironic? In 20 years time, will the scientific community be promoting increasing man-made CO2 to replace the loss of CO2 due to the cooling of the oceans?

Global warming could plunge North America and Western Europe into a deep freeze, possibly within only a few decades.
Randy - that cooling thing is so yesterday's news - please return to our regular scheduled programming :D

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/s...79979200&en=4bfaf980e8de5522&ei=5070&emc=eta1
 
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