Fake HIV Neg/STI free papers- BBFS

[susi]

so, this was reported to me by an sp who shall remain nameless and did not want to be named as she feared reprecussions on perb....

this is occasionally a duo but the main problem is one of the 2 guys;

Rob- 604-***-3765 604-***-2420 - main problem
Steve- his friend

they both book or just steve will book using these numbers, it maybe a throw away phone but none the less...

they have multiple perb handles(unknown what they are but they use this as a threat) and arrive at the appointment showing "fake papers" stating their HIV neg/ STI free status. (any paper declaring a person is HIV neg is useless and a lie) if denied bbfs, they have been known to stalk and harrass workers even posting their details on "the dirty" in an attempt to force bareback compliance.

if anyone ever feels this way and has fear about posting a bad date/red light alert for what ever reason, please feel free to call me, i answer blocked calls or message me here, i will protect your confidentiality or e-mail me from an anonymus email account.

this kind of harrassment is extortion, is violence and is illegal. don't let these guys have any power over you. remember,we have rights and these guys need to be called out and charged for this shit.

please be careful,
love susie

 

[Mod-2]

so, this was reported to me by an sp who shall remain nameless and did not want to be named as she feared reprecussions on perb....

this is occasionally a duo but the main problem is one of the 2 guys;

Rob- 604-***-3765 604-***-2420 - main problem
Steve- his friend

they both book or just steve will book using these numbers, it maybe a throw away phone but none the less...

they have multiple perb handles(unknown what they are but they use this as a threat) and arrive at the appointment showing "fake papers" stating their HIV neg/ STI free status. (any paper declaring a person is HIV neg is useless and a lie) if denied bbfs, they have been known to stalk and harrass workers even posting their details on "the dirty" in an attempt to force bareback compliance.

if anyone ever feels this way and has fear about posting a bad date/red light alert for what ever reason, please feel free to call me, i answer blocked calls or message me here, i will protect your confidentiality or e-mail me from an anonymus email account.

this kind of harrassment is extortion, is violence and is illegal. don't let these guys have any power over you. remember,we have rights and these guys need to be called out and charged for this shit.

please be careful,
love susie

Please keep Fred and I in the loop with this. Perb will not be a platform for blackmailing providers.

 

[jesuschrist]

any paper declaring a person is HIV neg is useless and a lie

Not true. You can get papers from a clinic signed by a physician that give results for HIV antibodies.

That being said however, what you report is downright awful - and it's criminal, probably some form of fraud and/or assault, or if HIV+ then criminal transmission of HIV - which in Canada is aggravated assault but if the victim was fooled into it (thus was not giving consent) - then manslaughter (if the perpetrator did not know), or murder (if the perpetrator knew).

 

[VanessaofBC]

Well said Susi, these BB acts might have serious repercussions down the road.

Could you PM me their numbers...your box is full...thx!!(;

 

[cherise]

im not sure if it was the same guys that called me, but i just said i wasn't as fortunate on my last check up ...haven't heard a word back

 

[Elmore]

To go on a board and publicly vilify someone on the one notion the accused is frauding papers, you yourself are the one reporting fraudulent facts and claims. I think you also owe my doctor an apology for assuming my MDS labs testing to be falsified. The way she words it it is apparent she assumes I have a wrath I want to unleash on innocent victims and anyone who comes in my contact is in grave danger for their lives. Like for fucks sakes. Way to go!

Susi evolves her entire theory based on the fact test papers are fraudulent, inducing her notion of its criminal implications.

This is weird.
Why are you defending your doctor and the legitimacy of your MDS lab tests. Are you acknowledging providing your STI test to escorts?

It is all hearsay but the theory starts with someone providing their test results in the first place because they are seeking BBFS...then it takes off from there if denied.

 

[rockinbods35]

I have watching this thread with growing interest. I wasn't going to weigh in here, but thought I should attempt to provide a balanced view of the issues being discussed here.

In Canada the accused has the right to face his accuser(s), and any all information pertaining to accusations or charges laid against him/her need to be made available for inspection. Now, while I understand this may not be entirely feasible in this situation given the fear of reprisals for the individual(s) coming forward with their "allegations" of misconduct, it seems to me something more tangible than merely the complaints of one or more individuals would be necessary to substianiate such obvious defamatory and libel statements.

If they are true, then quite naturally the actions of said individuals rightly deserve condemnation, however to try a person in the court of public opinion without given the other party a chance to respond is simply quite irresponsible. The saying often goes, there is his version, her version and some where in between is the truth.

In a court of law hearsay is inadmissable as evidence of testimony, the person who made the accusation needs to be able to verify the truth of what was said or perjure themselves in the telling. Naturally this isn't a legal matter, but merely a warning to SP's to be careful of said individuals, but to publish personal information, names, phone numbers etc and make sweeping statements and generalizations about conduct without a means to verfiy the truth of such statements calls into question the credibility the statements and the person making them.

I am not calling Susi a liar, but I do note her personal opinion (regarding all sti papers that indicate HIV status as clean are a lie) is misleading and patently false. Perhaps she was so incensed by what she was told she did not bother to check the facts and decided the warning was more important than the veracity of the statements being tendered, I don't know.

I just think there is more to this story than what has been written thus far and I reserve my judgement of said individuals until I have more concrete proof of misconduct than merely the word of one SP that may or may not have a personal axe to grind against one or both parties involved here.

 

[susi]

ok, calm....
yes, you did pm me multiple times and said there were numerous women who would back you up as a good guy who would never hurt anyone and i replied that if given some references i may consider that as well. you sent no references.

i know all too well the definition of defamation, its a human rights violation and i find it interesting that you would choose that since that is the threat used against workers, that you will destroy their honor and reputation if they do not comply with bbfs.

in terms of your "medical papers";

test results are only good for the day you were tested, since tests do not come back instantly, the test results are useless. you may have been with a number of people or had an all male gang bang in the basement of the steam bath on hastings for all we know in the interim thus making the papers useless and a lie.

you are using them in a way which is dishonest in that you represent yourself as disease free when in all actuality there is no way to know you are clean using outdated test results. by outdated i mean, it was not the day you were tested.

your threats of suing me ...well bring it on....

considering court fees in bc are between $30,000.00 and $40,000.00 i wish you luck and if you are lucky enough to be uber rich well, still bring it on.....

i have not lied and you have admitted to doing exactly what the origional post is based on, using your "papers" to illict bbfs. in order for defamation to have occured, a lie must be told. in terms of your reputation, well haven't you defamed more than one worker in your quest for bbfs? should we be lining up to sue you? for threats, defamation, extortion....? a class action suit?

in order for this to be "two consenting adults" there must be no cohersion, ie threats of reviews- i believe review boards are an important safety tool for pooners to protect themselves from robbery and violence, don't get me wrong but...- threats are perceived- your handle and reputation are the threat and from the phone calls and messages i have received from people these threats were more than simply perceived.

also, you may not be aware but there is a new precedent for 3rd party reporting of violence against sex workers. i would be interested to see how a judge felt about your arguements about your reputation on a review board being tarnished because a well known advocate for the safety of workers posted a warning about you...

anyway, i thought you were going to sue me and change your phone numbers...? you could always come to my meat market to discuss it in person....

ever heard the saying "me thinks thou doth protest too much"?

 

[susi]

I have watching this thread with growing interest. I wasn't going to weigh in here, but thought I should attempt to provide a balanced view of the issues being discussed here.

In Canada the accused has the right to face his accuser(s), and any all information pertaining to accusations or charges laid against him/her need to be made available for inspection. Now, while I understand this may not be entirely feasible in this situation given the fear of reprisals for the individual(s) coming forward with their "allegations" of misconduct, it seems to me something more tangible than merely the complaints of one or more individuals would be necessary to substianiate such obvious defamatory and libel statements.

If they are true, then quite naturally the actions of said individuals rightly deserve condemnation, however to try a person in the court of public opinion without given the other party a chance to respond is simply quite irresponsible. The saying often goes, there is his version, her version and some where in between is the truth.

In a court of law hearsay is inadmissable as evidence of testimony, the person who made the accusation needs to be able to verify the truth of what was said or perjure themselves in the telling. Naturally this isn't a legal matter, but merely a warning to SP's to be careful of said individuals, but to publish personal information, names, phone numbers etc and make sweeping statements and generalizations about conduct without a means to verfiy the truth of such statements calls into question the credibility the statements and the person making them.

I am not calling Susi a liar, but I do note her personal opinion (regarding all sti papers that indicate HIV status as clean are a lie) is misleading and patently false. Perhaps she was so incensed by what she was told she did not bother to check the facts and decided the warning was more important than the veracity of the statements being tendered, I don't know.

I just think there is more to this story than what has been written thus far and I reserve my judgement of said individuals until I have more concrete proof of misconduct than merely the word of one SP that may or may not have a personal axe to grind against one or both parties involved here.

i think this is interesting, should all workers get a chance then to weigh in on their reviews before they are posted? after all it is just heresay and do we not have a right to face our accusers?

i think my reputation speaks for itself, i have never had an ax to grind and do not know any of the individuals involved personally or at all for that matter. check what facts? the reports of multiple workers that this has occured? is it that sex workers are untrustworthy? shoudl we never be believed? isn't that why we are in the mess with the missing women?

in court, 3rd party testimoney about a violent assault is admissable now precisely because of this kind of thing. i do not get upset or post anything without taking time to think carefully and weigh the pro's and con's- in this case to protect workers or to find "proof"

where's the proof? well where's the proof that the poor girl geeting racked over the coals in the review section ever provided bbfs? the poster had 3 posts as i recall.....

the bottom line is that "clean medical reports" when presented by a complete stranger are completely useless and unless they were done that day using a 60 second HIV test on the day of the encounter, they mean nothing. it is not patently false to warn my fellow sp's that so called medical papers are worth nothing more than the paper they are written on especially when coming from a stranger and when they are out of date ie- more than an hour old.

susie

 

[westcoast555]

Not true. You can get papers from a clinic signed by a physician that give results for HIV antibodies.

That being said however, what you report is downright awful - and it's criminal, probably some form of fraud and/or assault, or if HIV+ then criminal transmission of HIV - which in Canada is aggravated assault but if the victim was fooled into it (thus was not giving consent) - then manslaughter (if the perpetrator did not know), or murder (if the perpetrator knew).

It can be valid as far as YOU are concerned if you get it from the clinic but as soon as you walk away with it nobody you show it to knows that you haven't exposed yourself between the time you got the paper and the time you show it to them.

 

[susi]

your intent was to give a false sense of security to workers who did not have the correct information about the validity of the papers. you seem intelligent, you did not know that this was wrong?

you are splitting hairs and focusing on the word fake when it was the way in which you used the papers that is the real subject of the thread. whether or not from a doctor, papers from a stranger that give test results that were not gathered right in front of you while you waited, mean nothing.

you used your status on perb combined with "papers" to illict bbfs from workers who were cohersed, not violently but cohersed non the less, lulled into a false sense of security about the risk they were taking... and then stalked and harrased if they did not comply....

susie

 

[CisForCookie]

OY

1. you outed yourself
2. you confirmed you actually got tested and have papers

The only thing you denied was faking the papers and threating SPs with fake papers

So that leaves,

(a) you using real papers and threating SPs

or

(b) using real papers to proposition SPs for BBFS, the SP didn't appreciate this proposition and the shit hit the fan?

or

(c) you like getting tested, having the test results posted on your fridge

LOL, this goes to court for slander or w/e

1. If he's single and doesn't have a wife or gf
2. If he's not some ceo or politician
3. If he has no problem with friends and family know of his hobby

 

[CisForCookie]

Think I'm going to go get tested, and then post the results on the fridge...or maybe post it on The Face Book...

Should setup a twitter account, to give a play by play for the events for that day.

Turn on the camera phone to record it all and upload it to youtube afterwards.

 

[Mod-2]

Due to the turn of events in this thread Stuffed Banana is banned. As stated earlier Perb will not be a platform to endanger SP's. The actions being discussed are outrageous and should be investigated by LE. I am removing all of SB's posts as well. Due to his actions and the accusations leveled against him his posting history is now in question.

 

[Caramel]

Due to the turn of events in this thread Stuffed Banana is banned. As stated earlier Perb will not be a platform to endanger SP's. The actions being discussed are outrageous and should be investigated by LE. I am removing all of SB's posts as well. Due to his actions and the accusations leveled against him his posting history is now in question.

Finally, he should have been banned a long time ago. So many girls have come forward about him being a crook since he joined, its appalling.

 

[Frank Dux]

The guy was quite the troll, too. I question why he was allowed to operate for so long without so much as a probation.

Should we assume this "review" in the neighbourhood watch was written by a Stuffed Banana alt and should be disregarded?

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?174896-Warning-I-was-offered-BBFS

 

[Mod-2]

The guy was quite the troll, too. I question why he was allowed to operate for so long without so much as a probation.

Should we assume this "review" in the neighbourhood watch was written by a Stuffed Banana alt and should be disregarded?

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?174896-Warning-I-was-offered-BBFS

I have removed that as well. The handle is suspect.

 

[booblover]

the fact that your tried to get BBFS with real or false paperwork just show you are a goof to begin with. Glad he is gone...

 

[susi]

these guys are back at it with a vengence.

their MO has changed to harrassment. they call and text repeatedly all day everyday, multiple sp's have reported to me. they call and text insults and threats stating that "there is one way you can end this" refering to the harrassment.

the one way is to provide them with bare back full service.

there is fear now also that one or both may actually be HIV positive based on physical symptoms seen such as visible lesions (red blotches) and dry throat/ coughing. these are not definite signs but could be symptoms of HIV.

my understanding is some workers have fallen victim to their pressure and i just want to say that having engaged in bbfs with either even if they are HIV positive, does not mean you have contracted HIV.

anyone who is worried or would like to add their voices to this complaint which i will be making to police today, please feel free to contact me by pm. your name does not need to be included in the complaint. i will put my name on the complaint. it will just add fuel to our complaint if we can prove an ongoing behaviour which is actually a crime.

this is extortion. the pressure and harassment make it extortion. the bare back full service as a way to end the harrassment is the goal of the extorition and is asking workers to risk their lives or their health.

my understanding is they are still here on this board with new perb handles and that bad reviews remain one of their tactics in trying to get sp's to risk their lives. if this happens to you, pm me or the mod's here and the handles will be banned...again. perb does not tolerate people using their name to bully or extort anyone.

sorry this is happening everyone.

steve and rob, i have had it with your crap and am making a formal complaint to police today. i urge you to stop now in lieu of the complaint.

love susie

 

[susi]

he's texting me threats and accusations as i write....he's accusing me of bbfs and a bunch of other shit....he's accusing all kinds of sp's......he can't keep the lies straight....

he's texted me like 20 times and is treating it like its court or something...like i need proof...or need to tell him who reported...he's done it so much, he doesn't know which woman he's harassing/stalking/ extorting.... has reported....

ps- update- ok over 100 texts now......
pps-he really likes to talk in circles...i can see how he confuses sp's with this shit....whatever...i'm no newbie!!!! bring it on......150 texts......