Ever had an erection at a swimming pool?; a bulge forms in your swimming trunks?

[jack9011]

what??

Pointing out someone's race when it is completely irrelevant to the situation can be racist, and is racist in this situation.
jj, you've just proved how immature and thoughtless you are
Also, I have never called you racist

Not sure all of that jives...
Seems like you "implied heavilly" that he was a racist...then called him immature and thoughtless.. but I guess its ok to call people names like that as long as you don't call him an immature, thoughtless, racist white guy!!!
Get over it!!!

 

[jjinvan]

The topic that I raised with you was why you would refer to the man as a creepy chinese guy, when his race doesn't have anything to do with his being creepy. That is the topic, and you know that. And yet, you still try to pretend that it's something else. Yes, the original post was about erections in public. However, the topic that I raised with you was about your description of the man you saw, and why it was necessary to mention his race, and whether or not you would have done so if he was any other race.

So if I said a girl was a 'tall blonde babe' then I would be implying that her being tall was the reason for her blonde hair?

Interesting theory you have there...

I never said that being chinese made him creepy.

I just said he was both chinese and creepy.

Hmm..

You're trying to eradicate the use of the word "Chinese" and you're calling me a racist?

 

[wolverine]

Wow. I didn't know race cards also came in packs of 52.

 

[jjinvan]

Wow. I didn't know race cards also came in packs of 52.

It's like a blackjack shoe, they have many decks in there...

I'm not sure if all of them are full decks though...

 

[Randy Whorewald]

Racism:

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

http://www.answers.com/topic/racism

 

[wannabeslut]

So if I said a girl was a 'tall blonde babe' then I would be implying that her being tall was the reason for her blonde hair?

Interesting theory you have there...

I never said that being chinese made him creepy.

I just said he was both chinese and creepy.

Hmm..

You're trying to eradicate the use of the word "Chinese" and you're calling me a racist?

Wow, it's that hard for you to understand? His being Chinese (whether or not he was), had no bearing on the situation. I simply was wondering why you mentioned his race. You didn't mention his age, or hair colour or anything else like that, so I'm wondering what the significance of his race was on the situation.

No, being Chinese does not mean that someone is creepy. However, saying "creepy chinese guy", where those two words are the only descriptors implies that there is some connection. I don't believe that you consciously attempted to imply such a connection, which is why I asked the question in the first place.

Your "tall blonde babe" example is such a stupid comparison, and shows that you really have no understanding of how to hold a logical train of thought.

At this point, you could simply state that you do believe his race was relevant to the situation and important in your description of the event, or that it wasn't important and that you didn't mean anything in particular by it. You could then clarify whether you stand by the description, or whether you think it's possible that it is offensive and perpetuates racism.

 

[Bartdude]

It was a thinly veiled racist cheapshot - the very clear implication being that the guy being Chinese was somehow supposed to make him MORE creepy.

It was, at best, an inappropriate comment. More likely, it was a deliberate shot at a certain ethnic group.

History has proven that JJ is certainly enough of a bigoted dumbass prick to do it, too.

 

[Randy Whorewald]

Has anyone here tried...

A wopburger?

Wopburger - tasty but not tasteful, critics complain-

As controversies go, this one isn't exactly a whopper. It's more of a - well, let's just say it's about a wopburger and what happens when the menu at an iconic Louisville restaurant collides with ethnic sensibilities and political correctness in the 21st century.
And, essentially, what happens is the icon blinks first. Which is why the menu at the Blue Parrot restaurant will soon offer an "Italian burger" instead of a you-know-what burger.

How, you ask, could something as benign - to say nothing of tasty - as a "sausage patty with melted cheese served with sauce" ignite an ethnic flap? Well . . .

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5533877,00.html

 

[Bartdude]

Why stop there?

How about a chinkburger? A japburger? A pakiburger? A niggerburger?

It's all swell and good that a couple of Italian Americans can feel proud using the term "wop" (which, my Italian friend told me, refers to "without papers"), but the FACT is that historically, it was a negative term targetting a specific group of immigrants and a tool of repression and systemic racism.

Ditto "nigger", "chink", "jap", and "paki".

It's the same absurdity that has stupid rap stars throwing around "nigger" like it was some kind of badge of honour.

I love how bigots use the "political correctness gone amok" excuse to justify their ignorance.

 

[jjinvan]

So...

Saying 'creepy Chinese guy' means that the fact that he was chinese had something to do with the creepiness

BUT

Saying "Tall Blonde woman" does not imply that the hair colour has something to do with the height.

Funny how the rules change to suit your purpose.

Maybe it's because the chip on your shoulder isn't about hair colour?

 

[jjinvan]

By the way, for the record, he was Chinese and he would have been just as creepy had he not been Chinese.

I think it's pretty sad when people are so narrow minded that the word "Chinese" can only be seen as a racist slur and when they go through so much effort to be politically correct that they find racists under their bed hiding with the commies.

it's just fucking pathetic.

 

[jjinvan]

Wow, it's that hard for you to understand? His being Chinese (whether or not he was), had no bearing on the situation.

Funny how it's the only thing that anyone seems to care about in the situation, Maybe I'm not the one having a hard time understanding the situation.

 

[Avery]

This (completely pointless) thread had the potential to be funny and entertaining. After all, it's hard to imagine a better source of funny stories than popping boners in a swimming pool.

WTF happened?

 

[jack9011]

Mccarthyism

Mccarthyism defn from Wilkipedia
During this time many thousands of Americans were accused of being Communists or communist sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. The primary targets of such suspicions were government employees, those in the entertainment industry, educators and union activists. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive or questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person's real or supposed leftist associations or beliefs was often greatly exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment, destruction of their careers, and even imprisonment. Most of these punishments came about through trial verdicts later overturned,[1] laws that would be declared unconstitutional,[2] dismissals for reasons later declared illegal[3] or actionable,[4] or extra-legal procedures that would come into general disrepute.


JJ, maybe you should expect a knock on your door.... these guys are going to find a racist somewhere here... there's no arguing with the Moral Majority.. even if Jerry Falwell died yesterday.
UNLESS.. perhaps you are willing to expose some of your racist brothers, then the jury might be able to overlook some of this damning evidence. And don't let us ever catch you using the term Chinese in a sentence with another word which can be viewed as positve, negative or... ah heck, never use the word Chinese again.

 

[jack9011]

Holy Grail

Remember on the Holy Grail (Monty Python) when they were about to burn the "witch".. Everyone was calling her a witch and the wiseman asked how they knew...
John Cleese's character said
"She turned me into a newt!!!" Of course he was a man.. not a newt so everyone looked at him... then he said
"I got better"

You don't need real evidence to attack someone's character, you can make all kinds of assumptions and false accusations as long as you are on the side of the most popular thinking and standing with the crowd.
I personally find it amazing that it is ok with everyone that with such little evidence, these guys are allowed to speculate as to jj's evil intentions and call him a racist (isn't that a nasty word???)
Anyways...
BURN HIM!!!!!

 

[georgebushmoron]

Mccarthyism defn from Wilkipedia
During this time many thousands of Americans were accused of being Communists or communist sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. The primary targets of such suspicions were government employees, those in the entertainment industry, educators and union activists. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive or questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person's real or supposed leftist associations or beliefs was often greatly exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment, destruction of their careers, and even imprisonment. Most of these punishments came about through trial verdicts later overturned,[1] laws that would be declared unconstitutional,[2] dismissals for reasons later declared illegal[3] or actionable,[4] or extra-legal procedures that would come into general disrepute.
JJ, maybe you should expect a knock on your door.... these guys are going to find a racist somewhere here... there's no arguing with the Moral Majority.. even if Jerry Falwell died yesterday.
UNLESS.. perhaps you are willing to expose some of your racist brothers, then the jury might be able to overlook some of this damning evidence. And don't let us ever catch you using the term Chinese in a sentence with another word which can be viewed as positve, negative or... ah heck, never use the word Chinese again.

Would you mind contributing a review instead of political nonsense?

 

[jack9011]

what??

Would you mind contributing a review instead of political nonsense?

You mean to say that you read all the way to page 7 of this thread and you were expecting someone to break out in a review?????? Please, even GWB isn't that naive.
And i might try looking in the review section instead of the lounge if I were looking for a review... but hey, i'm new so maybe i'm wrong.
You are right though.. i didn't come on this board to read about people hacking on eachother for allegedly misusing the word chinese, or to spout off my own political views.. I was hoping to find out who is a good SP for a reasonable price so that i can have a good experience my first time pooning.., I seem to have allowed myself to get sucked into this discussion which should have been deleted by the mods a long time ago.
Sorry. I'm done with this thread.

 

[georgebushmoron]

So...

Saying 'creepy Chinese guy' means that the fact that he was chinese had something to do with the creepiness

BUT

Saying "Tall Blonde woman" does not imply that the hair colour has something to do with the height.

Funny how the rules change to suit your purpose.

Maybe it's because the chip on your shoulder isn't about hair colour?

I must be a very patient fellow, but I'll try again to explain to you something metropolitan high school kids grasp easily.

You see, "Tall Blonde" are two physical attributes that do not denote a negative stereotype. Neither tall nor blonde have a positive or negative bias, because they are merely physical attributes as opposed to behavioural ones. But "creepy Chinese" is the combination of a behavioural attribute with a ethnic one. The behavioural attribute "creepy" you chose to use most people would find to be very negative. Hence you've communicated to people that a particular ethnic background has negative behavioural attributes. This is stereotyping because of course, an ethnic background is not uniformly associated with a behavioural attribute - especially a very negative one.

Had you said, "Sexy Blonde" or "Bitchy Redhead", you would have communicated to everyone that in the first case: 1) all blondes are sexy, or 2) no blondes are sexy except this one. In the latter case, you would have communicated either 1) all redheads are bitchy, or 2) redheads are nice except this particular one who is notably bitchy. However, since western society in which we live tends to favor blondes, most would have assumed you meant all blondes are sexy. And since there is an existing stereotype that redheads have bad tempers, most would have assumed you meant that all readheads are bitchy. So it stands to reason that what you say, without any form of contingency to explain what you mean, will always be interpreted within social norms. Thus since Chinese people, because of being immigrants, have unfortunately attached a dubious reputation compared to their domestic white counterparts, most would assume you meant that the fellow being Chinese is also likely to be creepy.

Furthermore, you also exa_c_e_r_bate the problem by pointing out that he has a very small penis, which undoubtedly puts you right smack in the midst of those who are labeled racists by society at large. You also failed to show with much validity how it is you determined that this person was in fact Chinese. And had that person been Chinese, you disregarded if they had Canadian (or American) citizenship as not being relevant at all but instead focussed on his ethnicity as being worthy of noting. You couldn't have done much worse in making yourself look like a pig.

Had you been more sensitive to these issues, you probably could have escaped implications or accusations of being racist, but you chose instead to defend yourself by taking the literal tact of what words you used and that somehow they have no meaning within a larger context. But people are relatively intelligent and thus read the context and not the literal meaning where appropriate. So you also failed to address the true meaning of what you've said as understood by others. Which leads me back to your lack of sensitivity to people and I do wonder how it is that a doctor (as you had said you were in the past) could possibly be so obtuse.

 

[Irresistible Isabelle]

Just an observation or two

Ok, this thread is utterly ridiculous.

These are just some thoughts and observations I'd like to toss in. I can totally understand both side of the argument, but I think most people here are just picking petty fights with posters they fundamentally disagree with and don't like, more than having an actual debate.

Some people, when recounting a tale, like to provide visual descriptions, not to point out more negative points or to perpetuate stereotypes, but simply so the the listener/reader can visualize it in their mind.

With that said, if one were to state simply that a creepy guy was whacking off on WB, how would most people imagine him? I know I would probably imagine an average height, middle aged white guy, probably thinning a bit, and probably with a bit of a belly. Why? Because in my experience, the majority of creepy guys that are prone to that type of behavior tend to fit that description.

Now, if JJ, like myself, comes up with the above image, when thinking of the term "creepy" perhaps he added the description of Chinese to counter the possibly automatic assumption that the creepy guy was white, not to state that Chinese people are more creepy, but simply to state that creepy guy was Chinese, or at least Asian and not white.

People tend to visualize the most average and simplistic descriptions of people unless otherwise informed. So perhaps the creepy guy was of average age (middle-aged, neither young nor old), of average height for his ethnic background (neither particularly tall nor short), average build.... basically average in every way except that he was Asian/Chinese not white as perhaps JJ, like myself associates with the term "creepy guy."

I don't know if the above is the case or not, but what does it say about people like myself, who are white, who assume that "creepy guy" automatically means white? Does that make me racist about my own race? Do I think that white guys are fundamentally more creepy than other people? Nope, I would just illogically come to the conclusion that "creepy guy" was white, simply because I have more experience with creepy white guys than I do creepy Asian guys.

And on the subject of Asian vs. Chinese vs. Japanese vs. Korean etc etc. Oh get off it. It's a leap to state emphatically that the guy was for sure Chinese, but given the statistical probability that an Asian guy in the lower mainland is more likely to be Chinese than any other Asian "race" (ethnicity!!!) it's a relatively easy assumption that is probably correct.

Now before anyone goes and says "Isabelle is a racist as well"....don't. Just don't. Because you have no idea who is or is not involved in my personal life or what my preferences are when dating etc.

This whole thread is bullshit and is just a way for some people to make themselves feel more morally superior than others. Some of you just need to get over yourselves and get over this. If you don't like JJ put him on your ignore list, but get off your soap boxes folks.

 

[georgebushmoron]

These are just some thoughts and observations I'd like to toss in. I can totally understand both side of the argument, but I think most people here are just picking petty fights with posters they fundamentally disagree with and don't like, more than having an actual debate.

Some people, when recounting a tale, like to provide visual descriptions, not to point out more negative points or to perpetuate stereotypes, but simply so the the listener/reader can visualize it in their mind.

With that said, if one were to state simply that a creepy guy was whacking off on WB, how would most people imagine him? I know I would probably imagine an average height, middle aged white guy, probably thinning a bit, and probably with a bit of a belly. Why? Because in my experience, the majority of creepy guys that are prone to that type of behavior tend to fit that description.

Now, if JJ, like myself, comes up with the above image, when thinking of the term "creepy" perhaps he added the description of Chinese to counter the possibly automatic assumption that the creepy guy was white, not to state that Chinese people are more creepy, but simply to state that creepy guy was Chinese, or at least Asian and not white.

People tend to visualize the most average and simplistic descriptions of people unless otherwise informed. So perhaps the creepy guy was of average age (middle-aged, neither young nor old), of average height for his ethnic background (neither particularly tall nor short), average build.... basically average in every way except that he was Asian/Chinese not white as perhaps JJ, like myself associates with the term "creepy guy."

This is an excellent point you're making that people would by default assume the fellow was white. Though I disagree that the assumption is because of the word "creepy", but because most people are white (in Canada). However, would he not have made himself more clear and perceived less to be an intolerant person - and if he actually thought the same way as you do - had he said instead, "There was a creepy guy, who happened to be Chinese, who was whacking off...."? Nevertheless, I highly doubt JJ is as egalitarian and as logical as you are, for there have been many many posts of his that illustrate his bias against people who are not white by only focusing on non-whites and their problems.

I don't know if the above is the case or not, but what does it say about people like myself, who are white, who assume that "creepy guy" automatically means white? Does that make me racist about my own race? Do I think that white guys are fundamentally more creepy than other people?

It's not outside the realm of possibility that a person could be racist against her own race. Indeed many exist. If you did think that white guys are fundamentally (or generally) more creepy than others, then yes, you would be racist (against your own race).

Nope, I would just illogically come to the conclusion that "creepy guy" was white, simply because I have more experience with creepy white guys than I do creepy Asian guys.

Then that means you probably are not racist because you base your attitudes towards others through knowledge gained by experience, subject to change with future knowledge. This means you are not one who is prejudiced against others, which would otherwise preclude you from changing your opinion of others should future knowledge avail itself.

And on the subject of Asian vs. Chinese vs. Japanese vs. Korean etc etc. Oh get off it. It's a leap to state emphatically that the guy was for sure Chinese, but given the statistical probability that an Asian guy in the lower mainland is more likely to be Chinese than any other Asian "race" (ethnicity!!!) it's a relatively easy assumption that is probably correct.

I don't know if I would agree with you here. It might be a greater statistical probability he was not Chinese than he was Chinese because if you add all the Asians who are non-Chinese (ie: Viet, Cambodians, Phillipinos, Koreans, Japanese, Laotians, etc.) against those who are Chinese, you might find that they are near equal. However, JJ chose to state he was Chinese and it appears he did so without much effort in determining just what he was. The error is not great, but it depends on who you talk to. It would be akin to saying someone was a Pole when in fact they were a Scott. I can see some Scotts finding this objectionable, and it would certainly be valid, particularly if something negative was said about them in the same breath.