Dog Lovers...do you do Off-Leash?

badbadboy

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You have to be close up to stab a dog as well.

Last resort but yes. I carry other things that would get any dogs attention if necessary. Look at my first post in this thread. Two days in a Vet Clinic $1400

Am I vigilant about defence, yes. Will it ever happen again, no.
 

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Over the last 25 years I have seen a huge increase in the numbers of dogs in the city. What I do not understand is why people have big dogs in the city. Big dogs should be in the country where there is room to roam. I have seen medium and big dogs on apartment balconies barking away like they are saying "why is someone torturing me on this 4x7 piece of concrete".

Then there is the breed of the month thing that has been happening as well. Pugs, doodles, pits, the list goes on and on. I like animals but I think urban humans are putting pet ownership over the top.
 

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When the pit/mastiff bit me, it was trying to get at my dog. The shock and surprise of the quick snap and release bite that went nearly all the way through the palm of my hand caused me to fall to my knees in shock. My 12 year old dog protected me fiercely and went on the attack, biting her badly, according to Animal Control. A bystander grabbed the other dog and mine came right back to me, as I had retained control of his leash. Animal Control immediately took possession of the other dog, as ironically, her owners had been trying to get her into their car to go surrender her. They were divorcing, and neither of them wanted to take their THIRTEEN YEAR OLD dog. Who do I blame? Not the dog, and my heart broke when I heard she'd been put down, despite the injury to my hand. She was trying, I believe, to force her way into our pack by laying her head across my dog's neck, and I just got in the way. Then again, after she was bitten, she moved off a few feet and then stood there, considering, as if weighing her options...was this a fight she could win?

My right index finger has contracted considerably when my hand is relaxed, and I have another dogbite scar to add to my collection. When my hands are cold, you can see on the back of my hand where the muscle was torn up by the purple scar tissue between my thumb and index finger. MOST of the sensation has returned to the finger now, and the physiotherapist I saw says it will likely return to 100% in time. I no longer trust any off-leash dog bigger than my own, because I know that I get an adrenal response that my dog picks up on now. If a large breed dog were to run up to us while both my dog and it were off-leash, with my heart pounding in my ears and my guts rolling in flight or fight response, my dog would react in a VERY unfavourable manner. Since he took the throat out of a coyote that tried to menace him last year, I don't worry about them too much. The cougar that has been sighted in my neighbourhood doesn't scare me either, since I'm pretty sure that Willie would be really excited to chase off a kitty that big! I am just as vigilant as badbadboy, and I will defend my dog by whatever means I have to, but mostly, I will be wise enough to avoid situations where we could get into trouble!
 

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When the pit/mastiff bit me, it was trying to get at my dog. The shock and surprise of the quick snap and release bite that went nearly all the way through the palm of my hand caused me to fall to my knees in shock. My 12 year old dog protected me fiercely and went on the attack, biting her badly, according to Animal Control. A bystander grabbed the other dog and mine came right back to me, as I had retained control of his leash. Animal Control immediately took possession of the other dog, as ironically, her owners had been trying to get her into their car to go surrender her. They were divorcing, and neither of them wanted to take their THIRTEEN YEAR OLD dog. Who do I blame? Not the dog, and my heart broke when I heard she'd been put down, despite the injury to my hand. She was trying, I believe, to force her way into our pack by laying her head across my dog's neck, and I just got in the way. Then again, after she was bitten, she moved off a few feet and then stood there, considering, as if weighing her options...was this a fight she could win?

My right index finger has contracted considerably when my hand is relaxed, and I have another dogbite scar to add to my collection. When my hands are cold, you can see on the back of my hand where the muscle was torn up by the purple scar tissue between my thumb and index finger. MOST of the sensation has returned to the finger now, and the physiotherapist I saw says it will likely return to 100% in time. I no longer trust any off-leash dog bigger than my own, because I know that I get an adrenal response that my dog picks up on now. If a large breed dog were to run up to us while both my dog and it were off-leash, with my heart pounding in my ears and my guts rolling in flight or fight response, my dog would react in a VERY unfavourable manner. Since he took the throat out of a coyote that tried to menace him last year, I don't worry about them too much. The cougar that has been sighted in my neighbourhood doesn't scare me either, since I'm pretty sure that Willie would be really excited to chase off a kitty that big! I am just as vigilant as badbadboy, and I will defend my dog by whatever means I have to, but mostly, I will be wise enough to avoid situations where we could get into trouble!

Best advise in the whole thread ^^^^

Avoid any potentially dangerous situation at all costs. I've already stated I do a 180 when I see a neighbour walking his dogs.

Live to walk your dogs another day. Keep your Spydie senses on full whenever you come across a dog especially if it is going down low because 90% of the time they are preparing to bite.
 

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Whenever there is an altercation between 2 dogs, there is a dog owner to blame. It is always the other owner that is to blame, apparently....
 

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In a situation like that it is allways the other dogs/owners fault, according to the idiots who own the things.

Many years ago I was going for a walk and passed two women with one of those little yapping lapdogs that was getting hostile as I approached. One of the women laughed and said "oh, he won't bite you", then the dog promptly charged and bit me. In retrospect I should have booted the damned thing over the fence, but it took me by surprise. They said nothing more and just carried on walking.

A friend of mine was walking to the bus from work near a park along the Fraser river where a lot of dog owners go, and passed a guy walking his german shepard. The dog promptly ran up to her and bit her, puncturing and tearing her leather jacket. The owner just called him back and carried on like nothing happened.

Any time I see a dog off leash in a public place I see a bad, incompetent owner. It should be illegal with significant jail time attached.
 

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dude needed a bigger knife... then he would only have needed to use it once :D
 

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Whenever there is an altercation between 2 dogs, there is a dog owner to blame. It is always the other owner that is to blame, apparently....
Very true, Punt! I know that if I react in a stressful situation, my dog will pick up on it, and may go on the offensive to protect me. That's why I am vigilant with him; I don't want to be 'the other owner' in someone else's sad scenario, nor do I want the horror of seeing my 13 year old dog tear up someone's <insert breed here> while trying to defend me!
 

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I'd be curious to know if the people defending the Pit Bull and it's owner are also large breed dog owners themselves. This may explain the herd mentality about defending ones own turf. Like I have said I have met some absolutely delightful Pits in recent memory. I have a few neighbours that have Labs, Roties, Weimaraner, American Akita (probably weighs about 120 lbs), Labradoodle etc etc and we can all let our dogs socialize together without fear that one of the bigger dogs will beat the crap out of any of the smaller dogs. This is because all of us would be considered "good owners". These dogs are all very well behaved and I would let me dogs hang out with the American Akita any day unattended because it is just a big, loving dog.

As with any neighbourhood there are always some bad apples and they are not always large breed or small breed. It is always the owner who is ultimately responsible for their dog's behaviour. At Kit's Beach they Pug may have been an instigator and the Pit took exception to its behaviour; we will never know.
 
I'd be curious to know if the people defending the Pit Bull and it's owner are also large breed dog owners themselves. This may explain the herd mentality about defending ones own turf. Like I have said I have met some absolutely delightful Pits in recent memory. I have a few neighbours that have Labs, Roties, Weimaraner, American Akita (probably weighs about 120 lbs), Labradoodle etc etc and we can all let our dogs socialize together without fear that one of the bigger dogs will beat the crap out of any of the smaller dogs. This is because all of us would be considered "good owners". These dogs are all very well behaved and I would let me dogs hang out with the American Akita any day unattended because it is just a big, loving dog.

As with any neighbourhood there are always some bad apples and they are not always large breed or small breed. It is always the owner who is ultimately responsible for their dog's behaviour. At Kit's Beach they Pug may have been an instigator and the Pit took exception to its behaviour; we will never know.

When I owned a pitbull people would actually glare at me and say, loudly "Keep that dog away from me". I have seen people abuse their pitbulls, then I have heard stories from others who have nice Pits and that is because they have nice owners.
 

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Pit bulls are awesome and lovely <3.



In what fuckin world did that seem smart. Honestly.
In the same world where you have one panicking dog owner, where neither one could manage to separate the bigger dog biting on the neck of the smaller dog. Imagine how you'd react if someone elses dog was ripping into yours? I imagine you'd respond ...violently, provided you had no other means of breaking them up.
 
Here is a photo of me and my pooch protesting on Parliament Hill last summer…
I thought Pitbulls were banned in Ontario? Is that what the scary looking muzzle is all about? I remember hearing that even the Dog Whisperer Caesar Milan could not bring his Pit into Toronto while doing a speaking tour.
 

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Here is a photo of me and my pooch protesting on Parliament Hill last summer…
Great photo!

Although that's a damned ugly building you chose for a background.
 

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For those of you who have large breed dogs or Pit Bulls, your lack of empathy towards the Pug who was attacked by the Pit Bull is absolutely astounding to me. Everybody is focusing upon the old man who "attacked" for lack of a better word towards the Pit in question. It must be nice having a large breed dog that you do not have to fear for its life when you go out for a pleasant walk with your dogs and not have to be aware of of a predator that may take your friends life.

Focus people, the problem is the owner who does not take 100% responsibility of their pet's actions. Has anybody questioned the owner of the Pit who may have been lackadaisical about the care and observation of her Pit?
 
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