Do you think there needs to be stronger regulations on operating drones?
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Yes I do think they need stronger regulations, unfortunately if that happens who would monitor them. We have all these local rules, regulations & bylaws but no one to police, sorry monitor them.
Look at fireworks, more & more rules yet last year in my neighbour hood it was like world war 3 & the police could not do a dam thing.
In my personal opinion, and I am a redneck, if I saw one of those things flying out side my window or above my property, it would not be flying for very long. Cheers
Look at fireworks, more & more rules yet last year in my neighbour hood it was like world war 3 & the police could not do a dam thing.
In my personal opinion, and I am a redneck, if I saw one of those things flying out side my window or above my property, it would not be flying for very long. Cheers
As someone who would use a drone for video, I would do my absolute best to make sure people were aware of it. It's a huge investment and it's not worth having you take a baseball bat to it, and I would assume everyone would do the same. I can't speak for everyone, but I would try to make sure everyone whose property it would be around would at least be asked for permission before I went ahead and flew a drone around in their neighborhood. But parks and stuff are public so that's another story.
Maybe and maybe not... Model helicopters have been equipped with small cams for ages....the drones is a better design.
On an other note....
On an other note....
As someone keenly interested in this technology I am hopeful manufacturers will continue to educate owners on safe flying practises. DJI one of the world's leaders in the private UAV market has installed SW which prevents their drones from flying into an airport's no fly zone.
http://flysafe.dji.com/no-fly
I had an interesting discussion with a commercial pilot on these issues. While by and large many of his colleagues were dead against private UAV's, they supported having education for owners before legislation.
Clearly, any operator using one near public areas, private residences, near flight paths and as voyeurs need to be ticketed. People need to think safety first, respecting privacy and respect animals in the wild.
http://flysafe.dji.com/no-fly
I had an interesting discussion with a commercial pilot on these issues. While by and large many of his colleagues were dead against private UAV's, they supported having education for owners before legislation.
Clearly, any operator using one near public areas, private residences, near flight paths and as voyeurs need to be ticketed. People need to think safety first, respecting privacy and respect animals in the wild.
I know around here someone is using them to track and find Wild Horses.
I also know that since that started ,Forestry seems to be "Harvesting" more of them than in the past...And it's starting to piss me, and other Ranchers.. off a little.
I also know that since that started ,Forestry seems to be "Harvesting" more of them than in the past...And it's starting to piss me, and other Ranchers.. off a little.
I'm curious what is pissing you and other rancher's off wrt UAV's?
There is lots of Crown land in your area; is it because the UAV's noise bothers the livestock? That is shared land, correct?
Or is it because you haven't hit one with a 7.61 cal weapon yet?
He said that he and other ranchers were pissed off because people were using the drones to find and "harvest" the horses. Some of those horses won't be "wild", ranchers could be using the range to support horses that weren't required for their work at that time. Having someone "harvest" my horse would piss me off also.I'm curious what is pissing you and other rancher's off wrt UAV's?
There is lots of Crown land in your area; is it because the UAV's noise bothers the livestock? That is shared land, correct?
Or is it because you haven't hit one with a 7.61 cal weapon yet?
BTW NATO rounds are 7.62 X 51 (308 Winchester) and 5.56 X 45
Drones, like Laser Pointers are dangerous in the hands of dumbasses. I don't think regulation will help. They've regulated fireworks for ages and the dumbasses still manage to blow up stuff, including themselves.
Off a digit 7.62 ok. I'm a knife guy not a gun guy.
Still, crown land is public land and if someone uses high tech to help their harvesting; isn't that like complaining someone has a 4x4 when you have an ox and a cart?
Edit - If they are tagged or branded it should not be an issue who the owner of the horse is, correct?
Sybian,your take?
You have to get close to the horse to see the brand. If the horse has it's winter coat, you usually have to brush the hair aside to see the brand. The person using a drone to locate the horse and then "harvesting" them from 100 - 200 meters isn't concerned about looking for a brand.
Jesus...You guys know what your talking about!
Unless your Grandfathered you can't range your horses on Range Lease..They kinda frown on that. The Dudes with the education say that their hooves destroy the protected grasslands....That they clearcut with excavators, and various other 15 tonne equipment..
My horses are branded ,and unless you brand them real young the Owners Mark is no more than 6 inches or less..Unless you freeze brand , then it turns pure white and you could see it from a half kilometere.
Forestry considers Wild Horses Feral..They do not belong in the ecosystem as they have been introduced by man...They ARE NOT protected.
Anybody can go and harvest, chase, or destroy as many as they like at any time they want.
I believe they are protected in other provinces ,but here in B.C....They most certainly are not.
I've seen the drones glide over a pasture that winters Wild Horses and the next day Forestry will trap corral them.....Sometimes those portable trap corrals end up missing...Or a Government truck ends up with four flat tires....From a saddle gun...I don't shoot .308 BTW.
I have harvested some on occasion and branded them as owner..Then they mysteriously get away on me, and those horses are still out there.
I guess I'm saying that those old boys already have wolves, mountain lions, deep snow ,disease, snowmobiles ,hunters and ATV's to deal with..Now Drones are part of the predatory problem.
I'm a believer in a fair fight...And those horses have almost a 30% chance of surviving past 3 years of age...Even when a Rancher or two takes the time to just give a shit to throw them a bale of hay in the highcountry when the snow is 4 feet deep.
And you know....This summer I've been practicing..And I'm getting damn good at hitting a flying object ..with a .30 caliber single projectile.
And Yes they do bother my stock, and fly over my property...There is a law called "Protection of Livestock Act"
Unless your Grandfathered you can't range your horses on Range Lease..They kinda frown on that. The Dudes with the education say that their hooves destroy the protected grasslands....That they clearcut with excavators, and various other 15 tonne equipment..
My horses are branded ,and unless you brand them real young the Owners Mark is no more than 6 inches or less..Unless you freeze brand , then it turns pure white and you could see it from a half kilometere.
Forestry considers Wild Horses Feral..They do not belong in the ecosystem as they have been introduced by man...They ARE NOT protected.
Anybody can go and harvest, chase, or destroy as many as they like at any time they want.
I believe they are protected in other provinces ,but here in B.C....They most certainly are not.
I've seen the drones glide over a pasture that winters Wild Horses and the next day Forestry will trap corral them.....Sometimes those portable trap corrals end up missing...Or a Government truck ends up with four flat tires....From a saddle gun...I don't shoot .308 BTW.
I have harvested some on occasion and branded them as owner..Then they mysteriously get away on me, and those horses are still out there.
I guess I'm saying that those old boys already have wolves, mountain lions, deep snow ,disease, snowmobiles ,hunters and ATV's to deal with..Now Drones are part of the predatory problem.
I'm a believer in a fair fight...And those horses have almost a 30% chance of surviving past 3 years of age...Even when a Rancher or two takes the time to just give a shit to throw them a bale of hay in the highcountry when the snow is 4 feet deep.
And you know....This summer I've been practicing..And I'm getting damn good at hitting a flying object ..with a .30 caliber single projectile.
And Yes they do bother my stock, and fly over my property...There is a law called "Protection of Livestock Act"
I think those drones under Harper shouldn't be regulated, but be voted out of office. And yes, something needs to be done about the drones in the Senate as well, though I'm not necessarily advocating abolition of the Senate. Damn, this sounds a wee bit too close to agreeing with Adolph Harper on something for my comfort.
Snake River Shooting Products makes loads for 12 gauge in 3 inch and 2 3/4 inch especially to remove unwanted drones from your airspace. The loads are magnetic steel shot and aren't toxic if a bird ingests them.
http://www.dronemunition.com/ http://snakerivershootingproducts.com/
Combined with an excellent trap shooter/birder shotgun like the Remington 11-87 http://www.remington.com/product-families/firearms/shotgun-families/autoloading-model-11-87.aspx your drone problems will soon be a thing of the past.
Yes they should be.
Like any technology, it all starts innocently enough.
People using them for legitimate purposes until some asshole flies one loaded with C-4 into a school or the CN tower.
Cheers
Like any technology, it all starts innocently enough.
People using them for legitimate purposes until some asshole flies one loaded with C-4 into a school or the CN tower.
Cheers
You know SDW...You and I would get along just fine.
I figure it's just some young Buck that just got his job in Forestry and happens to have a drone as a personal toy, and is taking it too work.
I don't want some kid running towards my gunfire and watch him cry over his pile of plastic scrap that used to be his Drone....I also don't think it's fair...If you want to "Harvest" Wild Horses, it should be done fairly ,and with as little stress as possible.
I've never agreed with culling any creature in the wild, from the air...Drones included.
Having said that....We did use them overseas, and they did cause problems for our prey...And saved a lot of Canadian lives. So I guess I am being slightly hipocrytical in my viewpoint.
They do have their uses ,and applications.
I figure it's just some young Buck that just got his job in Forestry and happens to have a drone as a personal toy, and is taking it too work.
I don't want some kid running towards my gunfire and watch him cry over his pile of plastic scrap that used to be his Drone....I also don't think it's fair...If you want to "Harvest" Wild Horses, it should be done fairly ,and with as little stress as possible.
I've never agreed with culling any creature in the wild, from the air...Drones included.
Having said that....We did use them overseas, and they did cause problems for our prey...And saved a lot of Canadian lives. So I guess I am being slightly hipocrytical in my viewpoint.
They do have their uses ,and applications.
We are going to see the military and police using a lot more drones. Especially as their capabilities are enhanced. I think it will lead to fewer fatal encounters because sending a person into some situations results in a "shoot first" mentality. I remember the Iraqi army surrendering to drones in Desert Storm, in fact it took hours to get teams to the locations and take the Iraqis prisoner.
That shooting of RCMP officers at a farm a few years ago could have been resolved non-fatally if drones had been used to investigate the site before the officers moved in.
The first generation of military drones was horribly overbuilt. The civilians demonstrated that useful drones can be inexpensive "Bic" devices.
The original American military drones were too expensive to be useful for small force operations. The Israelis, Australians and others have taken whole books from the manufactures of civilian drones and there is now quite a few small, inexpensive, man portable, short endurance drones available for when a small force would like to know what is "over there".
Most continue to be flown, but some of the more useful ones are wheeled/tracked and are easily armed.
Too illustrate, imagine you are one of the four mounties at the farm. Instead of going in and being shot to death, you fly a quadcopter and see an armed man holed up by the barn. Your partner gets the wheeled rover out and drives it behind the man while you keep him distracted with the quadcopter. The flashbang on the rover goes off and the other two mounties take the man down.
Result, four living mounties and one living suspect in handcuffs. Big change from what happened that day. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/4-rcmp-officers-killed-on-alberta-farm-1.521207
They are very easy to install with heat sensitive thermal detection devices, and infa-red...So unless your underground, they will find you.
The OP inferred the UAV's used by those in a hobby required some sort of licencing etc. Others started talking about the military and commercial variants. Bearing in mind that every high tech toy usually has its roots in the military or surveillance arena.
If it were a test similar to the Restricted Radio Licence, I'd vote for that method. Basic safety flying methods etc
