Do a lot of people go BB on civvy pickups?
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Brave again, I did not want to bring up th e "a" word. I am still new here IDK what offends people.
AgreedI don't understand your confusion...Dad was clearly talking about pregnancy and unwanted children, not sexual predisposition!
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. .lol Vanessa, he's talking about having no attachment to his BM's (bowel movements).
Thanks for clearing that up. I was drunk, it was late, I thought he menat Baby Momma...I was like okaaaayyyy.....
ound: You caught me!!!!
C'mon, Badger! Punctuation is your friend! Without it, you left your post open to interpretation. For example:
Suggesting that you acknowledge being a troll but that you just don't feel that you're the biggest troll on the site. But perhaps since you've spent some time in perbatory yourself, you do admit to being a troll at times...
Although, I get the feeling that you meant:
And thereby disavowing any thought that you yourself may be any kind of troll.
(I should note that this was all intended in a spirit of good natured ribbing. I'm not accusing you of being a troll.
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Hey I just got home from the soccer game, I needed to catch up on my PERB gossip before bed.....Well, I suppose he could have meant that. But he says it's 100% his 'biological material', so I assumed that's what he meant, lol.
Drinking and posting?? I thought only the men did that, lol.
If I said Grammer Nazi would you take it in a nice way????C'mon, Badger! Punctuation is your friend! Without it, you left your post open to interpretation. For example:
Suggesting that you acknowledge being a troll but that you just don't feel that you're the biggest troll on the site. But perhaps since you've spent some time in perbatory yourself, you do admit to being a troll at times...
Although, I get the feeling that you meant:
And thereby disavowing any thought that you yourself may be any kind of troll.
(I should note that this was all intended in a spirit of good natured ribbing. I'm not accusing you of being a troll.
ound:.....cause I think you already caught me once with my improper slang usage!!!!edit: errr... I mean "Grammar"
I somehow doubt that L_____ will ever divulge his name when booking. And, any lady that charges even the slightest premium, probably has nothing to worry about!
Hope this isn't running wild on a tangent, but I typed below then decided it needed a lead in line... lol -- just responding to your "understanding" DoG... if I knew 4 years ago what I post below, it would have saved me $50G... if it can save any guy any $$$ that can be redirected for pooning, I don't think anyone will mind or disagree :eyebrows:
As informed by my lawyer, the age is 12 (in SK) when a Voice of the Child assessment can be taken, but the "choice" of the child is not specifically the final say. It's an opinion, that can be discarded easily. "Choice" in quotes, as it isn't necessarily the child speaking, you'd have to look up the term "parental alienation syndrome" to see why those reports can be set aside. The law is written to enact upon "the best interests of the child", yet operates on the same basis of gender equality. Yeah, wonderful concept in principal, yet everyone knows it doesn't exist in practice, unfortunately, or they get a rude awakening. The system, which is adversarial based, designed to drive profits for lawyers, and has no care at all towards the best interest of the child, and accomplishes this by unspokenly being heavily biased towards women. And please, this is not a slight towards women, but facts of the system, based on observation of several personal friends, and the reading of many case law examples. Although I have a mountain of evidence against my ex of verbal abuse, not sending him to school if he just doesn't feel like it, and parental alienation, refusing to medicate him because she disagrees with the doctor's prescription (yet zero hours logged in medical school herself), is a drug user (has a mari-j sticker on the bumper of her car),... despite all of that, the lawyer said she would literally need to walk into court with a needle hanging out of her arm before a judge would change the custody arrangement. The guy is always the average joe that just worked out of the home to support the family, no history of abuse or anything else. His crime, letting her leave with the child when the relationship dissolved. Possession is 9/10th of the law. I have personally witnessed this happen where you see a woman who has the appearance of a junkie, stand in a court room, and receive interim custody of the child, because she had cared for him from birth. Status quo trumps logic and reason. It makes as much sense as not revoking the license of a known drunk driver because they have owned the vehicle since it's manufacture date. :doh: I just post this for any other dad's out there, "understandings" are often myths. Find yourself a support group, they are out there, that will help you plan properly to not get screwed by the system if you want to be a part of your kid's lives. If anyone feels they are going down that road, or feel they might be, PM me if you want. I'll help if I can. The only crime worse than a bad mother getting full custody is a good father being a "every other weekend dad"... and hey, vice versa, but there are probably less female posters on this site than men... Anyway, just trying to help if I can...
I would never have guessed I would have posted that type of reply after reading the title of this thread, lol
:clap2: all of it, well said!
however, the system purely looks at the financial side of it, not the emotional side... they all too often place more value on securing a support order over a parenting time order that meets social and emotional needs of the child...
Just admitted? My safe BBing (SBBFS) in SE Asia is old news, Mitchie, but I see you are a newborn kitten to PERB & the subject. A search on the word "bareback" and "BBFS" will bring you up to speed.
Anyone who engages in behaviour that risky? I suppose that would be at least hundreds of thousands of foreigners in that region each year, plus millions of locals. That is, those that practice BBFS with SP's, but not necessarily SBBFS with them.
BTW at least a few PERB members have mentioned being to the Philippine Islands (PI) where SPs often practice BBFS with customers. The reported SP HIV rates are still very low there, even less than that of the general population of Canada. Regarding the safe sex measure of male circumcision, PI is light years ahead of Canada, with the vast majority of males having had the procedure.
Unprotected? (1) Being circumcised is protection. Are you? I am. That's like having a condom on you 24/7. (2) Having SP's you bang tested negative for HIV is protection against the disease as effective as any condom. Do you have any idea if the SP's you see have ever been tested? I've taken many of mine to the lab for tests & seen their HIV negative test results. (3) Abstaining from sex with others, whether SP's or civvies, is protection. I've been doing that the vast majority of every year of my entire life (over 5 decades). How many days a year do SP's abstain while they are SP's? How many fucks a day? (4) Choosing vaginal sex over anal sex is protection. Do you? Do SP's? Greek with a condom is as risky re HIV as vaginal BBFS. (5) So, in conclusion, clearly I have tons of protection, which you most probably are lacking, & perhaps more overall protection than a random PERB member such as you. So who's unprotected here, Mitchie? When was the last time you tested negative for STIs or showed the results to your sex partners/SPs? Perhaps it is you who should be on a "black list".
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"As of 2005, however, HIV prevalence among sex workers in Cebu City was relatively low, at 0.2 percent.[4]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_Philippines
Percentage of Philippine sex workers who are living with HIV...0.275%...2012 report:
http://www.unaids.org/en/dataanalys...orts/2012countries/ce_PH_Narrative_Report.pdf
PI sex workers are required to have regular STI checkups or they can't work. How about Canada? Is it legal for an SP in Canada to have HIV, keep SPing & not inform her/his customers?
Several SE Asian countries have a reported lower rate of HIV than Canada, even though BB sex is probably more common there:
General population in Canada...aged 15-49...00.30
....................................in PI....................00.10
..................................Indonesia...............00.20
.....................................Laos....................00.20
..................................Singapore...............00.20
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate
I agree completely, 100%.
The option of adoption also exists, if the mother refuses to abort. As the biological father I'd donate my 50% of the child to the long waiting list of couples who would gladly support the baby financially, thus relieving me of the legal burden. If the mother can't go along with that, then she should accept financial responsibility for my half of the creation.
Hopefully sales of "the pill for men" comes to the marketplace soon.
If you'd take "my seed" in your mouth & swallow, then we would be biologicly united forever, & maybe Canada could pass another silly law that requires i have to support you forever. Should i then feel a responsibility for you? Nah.
But even without 'eating me' i'd probably still feel compassion for you, not necessarily "responsibility", should you be a homeless crying kitten out in the freezing Toronto cold.
Responsibility suggests obligation, but why should i have any more obligation to what my sperm attached itself to than any other guy's sperm? Are we not all of the same race biologicly?
Was this accidental unwanted sperm result a "love child" chosen freely with a partner i'm madly in love with? No.
Did i have any choice to stop it being created with a morning after pill? No.
Did i have the option for an early abortion? No.
Did i get to have it adopted if the mother doesn't agree? No.
The mother gets to make all the choices & make me responsible for them. That isn't fair.
So tell me why i should be responsible to this child? Wouldn't it be better to feel compassion & help the needy children of others who have no one who wants them or to care for their needs?
I'm afraid your comment here may be based on nothing but politically correct cultural brainwashing. Centuries ago the church did the same kind of thing to people to make them believe things like the earth is the center of the universe, flat & you'll fall off if you go too far.
Bugchaser? Where do you get that idea, or is this just another example of your ignorance?
"Bugchasing is a slang term for the practice of pursuing sexual intercourse with HIV-infected individuals in order to contract HIV. Individuals engaged in this activity are referred to as bugchasers. It is a form of self-harm."
"Bugchasers seek sexual partners who are HIV positive for the purpose of having unprotected sex and becoming HIV positive; giftgivers are HIV positive individuals who comply with the bugchaser's efforts to become infected with HIV."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchaser
I`ve been using the acronym here for a while & as previously stated use the PERB abbreviations definition of BBFS as "bareback sex".
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?53-Some-Common-Abbreviations
Most people here are probably the results of safe bareback sex (SBBFS). STI professionals recommend safe BB sex (BBFS), as in sex between faithful monogamous couples who are STI tested & free, as being one of the safest ways possible to have sex. Obviously there`s a world of difference between that kind of BBFS and receiving it in the ass from a HIV positive guy. The first BBFS is extremely safe, the other just the opposite. So you have SBBFS & UBBFS & every degree of risk inbetween those two extreme examples. So to just lump all BBFS practices together & think of them all as being incapable of being safe, or having widely varying degrees of safety, or the lack thereof, is quite silly.
(1) See above. Safe is NOT "always covered". (2) Moreover "safe sex" involves various methods & practices, not just fallible condoms which have proven to be only so-so at protecting against STIs & pregnancy. Other methods can be substituted for condoms so that one can have equal or greater protection than condoms alone. Don`t they teach these basics in grade school sex ed class, or did you just not attend? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_sex
How simplistic. I could repeat my comments above here. Further, you haven`t demonstrated the WHO would disagree with anything I am saying. I wonder if they`d consider you having sex with prostitutes to be safe. It`s common knowledge among informed professionals that condoms only provide average protection against pregnancy. What does that tell you about their ability to protect against STIs when cum (ejaculatory fluid) is obviously bypassing them, cum that is often STI infected? Hello? It`s time to wake up & smell the coffee.
More ignorance. Here`s a guy referring to the WHO as an authority & he doesn`t even know what they say:
"Recently, three randomized, controlled trials, in Kenya, South Africa and Uganda, have provided strong evidence that male circumcision reduces the risk of heterosexually acquired HIV infection in men by up to 60%."
http://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/topics/rtis/male_circumcision/en/
"Male circumcision reduces the risk that a man will acquire HIV from an infected female partner, and also lowers the risk of other STDs , penile cancer, and infant urinary tract infection."
"For female partners, male circumcision reduces the risk of cervical cancer, genital ulceration, bacterial vaginosis, trichomoniasis, and HPV."
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/prevention/research/malecircumcision/index.html
You obviously haven`t read my PM`s. Nor the numerous bareback threads here, which are often amongst the most read. It`s not just on PERB, but TERB, MERB, & all over the internet.
Again, no clue whatsoever.
You don`t think I could clean out your bank accounts with a bet on what I actually said?
If I told you I know someone who purposely contracted HIV, would you believe me?
(I no longer know this person it was a decade ago, if they are alive and well I will never know)
As a lapsed Catholic, I can tell you that this is really all you need to know on the subjectNot sure, let me go check with the Pope and I'll get right back to you, lol.
I wasn't raised in the Catholic faith so I'm not sure of all their doctrine.
:It SHOCKS me how many ladies out in the "regular" world don't want me to use condoms. They say it feels weird or just get lost in the heat of the moment and don't want you to bother. They'll tell me that they are on the pill and that they don't have any diseases. My response is maybe I do. I don't but the point is that people may think they are clean and they might have something and not even know it. Once I become sexually active after a time of dormancy, I get tested, even if I have been using protection, just to be on the safe side. What I find equally fascinating is that the more promiscuous ladies are better with these kinds of things than the ladies who are less active. I almost think that those women will think they are "slutty" if they have sex and some kind of birth control is used. I don't know how it is for others but that has been my experience.
How can I ignore a topic that has never been discussed here before? STDs could severely affect my heath. Getting an SP pregnant could hit my bankroll quite hard. Apples & oranges. Would I rather get HIV or lose a quarter million dollars?
I never claimed that. Apart from a minor itch or two, my circumcision condom (with other safe sex measures) is protecting me very well.
I'm sure there are SP's doing BBFS with one client only. Some might be dumb or crazy enough to do it with everyone, but others are not. Give SP's a bit more credit. Also, no doubt, many SP's are doing BBFS with their BF or SO. Including probably those you've seen, if you're an active seasoned hobbyist.
Your "disease pool" comment applies to any SP's you've seen, too, whether or not they always use condoms or other means of protection like I did do with SAFE BBFS. For example one of your SP's seeing clients who also visit DTES sex workers with a 20-25% rate of HIV. If they're doing covered Greek with clients it's as risky re HIV as BBFS. Do you avoid those? How about SP's that offer BBBJ, DATY, DFK, DATO?
If drug resistant strains ever become widespread, fatal or more than a one in a gazillion risk, I might have to reconsider my behaviour.
Sure, "some diseases are for life", IF you catch them. A big IF. And even then they are probably manageable, if not curable in the near future.
Some pleasures, like BBFS, are for life, with generally no ifs, ands or buts about it. Up to you if you want to enjoy them or waste the opportunity or play it safe.
I choose SBBFS, because I want to have my cake & eat it too, having both condom-like safety & BBFS pleasure.
My point, if I recall, was that my perfect practice of CI at 4% is far better at avoiding pregnancy than the average condom use (15% of couples getting pregnant per year). Obviously perfect condom use at 2% would be even better than 4%. And it is likely that SP's experienced with condoms would do better than the average 15% rate.
IME condoms have failed me quite a number of times. Sometimes I didn't even realize it was broken or had slid off completely inside the SP. Imagine if I had blown my load into her when that happened.
With CI I've never ejaculated accidently into a pussy. Moreover there seems to be some question whether or not precum contains sperm, if one pees after the previous sex session. If not, then peeing & perfect practice of CI could conceivably mean a zero percent risk of pregnancy. Moreover, often I have a sense before precum is about to come out, so may be able to prevent that as well from entering an SP's body.
"...some studies have found that withdrawal could be almost as effective as condoms in preventing pregnancy.[12] There have been several small-scale studies (sample sizes ranging from 4 to 23)[5] that conclude no sperm is present, and thus, pre-ejaculate is ineffectual at causing pregnancy.[1][2][3][4]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-ejaculate
May 16, 2012
Sex bomb: Unprotected sex & Japan’s timebomb of disease
...the average Japanese married couple have spent most of their married lives secretly cheating on each other with multiple lovers.
...So I was flabbergasted to learn that — even though Japan is a wealthy, well-educated country where Japanese place the utmost importance on healthy lifestyles — most Japanese of all ages do not use condoms routinely in casual sex, most women shun the pill, & for the most part both casual and committed couples use only the withdrawal method in any attempt to avoid pregnancy. Although HIV rates here are low compared to other countries, HIV is still on the rise...
... in Japan, when I go on a date, I always take condoms as I can never rely on the guy to bring any himself, or to even use them. The Japanese lover often comes empty-handed to a rendezvous. When things heat up and we’re ready to get dirty, he makes no attempt to condom up, and positions himself to enter me in the raw. Koreans and Chinese do the same thing. These guys never say, “okay, let’s get the condoms now.”
...And of my many lovers, only four of them have ever been tested before; most lovers I meet have never set foot in a sexual health clinic & rarely use condoms.
Many Japanese men visit sex workers. This is a quietly accepted habit of the Japanese man, be he single or attached. I have gleaned from my lovers that most brothels in Japan abide by the same sexual health practices of the West (in that sex workers get tested every couple of weeks, and most workers use condoms). But I have met quite a few men who have had condom-free sex with a sex worker.
http://liaisonswithlulu.wordpress.com/category/safe-sex-sabotage/
Sex bomb: Unprotected sex & Japan’s timebomb of disease
...the average Japanese married couple have spent most of their married lives secretly cheating on each other with multiple lovers.
...So I was flabbergasted to learn that — even though Japan is a wealthy, well-educated country where Japanese place the utmost importance on healthy lifestyles — most Japanese of all ages do not use condoms routinely in casual sex, most women shun the pill, & for the most part both casual and committed couples use only the withdrawal method in any attempt to avoid pregnancy. Although HIV rates here are low compared to other countries, HIV is still on the rise...
... in Japan, when I go on a date, I always take condoms as I can never rely on the guy to bring any himself, or to even use them. The Japanese lover often comes empty-handed to a rendezvous. When things heat up and we’re ready to get dirty, he makes no attempt to condom up, and positions himself to enter me in the raw. Koreans and Chinese do the same thing. These guys never say, “okay, let’s get the condoms now.”
...And of my many lovers, only four of them have ever been tested before; most lovers I meet have never set foot in a sexual health clinic & rarely use condoms.
Many Japanese men visit sex workers. This is a quietly accepted habit of the Japanese man, be he single or attached. I have gleaned from my lovers that most brothels in Japan abide by the same sexual health practices of the West (in that sex workers get tested every couple of weeks, and most workers use condoms). But I have met quite a few men who have had condom-free sex with a sex worker.
http://liaisonswithlulu.wordpress.com/category/safe-sex-sabotage/
In my experience this is mostly true. I used to hear stories on NHK about condom companies complaining that sales per capita in Japan were some of the lowest in the developed world. In my own relationships with Japanese girls here and over there withdrawal was used more often than condoms.
This is the opposite for me, I know very few non-SP Caucasian women who get tested regularly, yet all of my Japanese partners had, some quite recently.
I never really saw many SP's overseas, but I knew 2 personally. They got tested fairly often and used condoms; however when one of our friends went to an sp in Canada and reported back about a CBJ one of the girls commented that was "weird," so I assume BBBJ is the norm there for SP's? I know for a fact it's the norm in relationships. I could imagine bbfs is being offered, especially in the more "sugar baby" like relationships, but haven't seen or heard of it myself.
I never ran into any problems coming from BB with civvies, but they weren't really "random pickups." Pregnancy was the main concern, not STD's, though I did get tested quite often. Since getting married neither of us have had any interest in risking BB during our encounters with anyone other than ourselves; whether that be with SP or not. Also, had I been involved with SP's when I was younger I'd probably have played it safer in relationships.
Interesting comments in light of what wikipedia alleges:
"The prevalence of condom use varies greatly between countries. Most surveys of contraceptive use are among married women, or women in informal unions. Japan has the highest rate of condom usage in the world: in that country, condoms account for almost 80% of contraceptive use by married women."
"...In much of the Western world, the introduction of the pill in the 1960s was associated with a decline in condom use.[2]:267–9,272–5 In Japan, oral contraceptives were not approved for use until September 1999, and even then access was more restricted than in other industrialized nations.[119] Perhaps because of this restricted access to hormonal contraception, Japan has the highest rate of condom usage in the world: in 2008, 80% of contraceptive users relied on condoms.[80]..."
80. ^ a b Family Planning Worldwide: 2008 Data Sheet (PDF). Population Reference Bureau. 2008. Retrieved 2008-06-27. Data from surveys 1997–2007.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom
Perhaps Japanese women are more inclined to get STI tested than Japanese men? I assume your partners were females and the bloggers Japanese men.
I haven`t heard how common BBBJs are in Japan, but i also would assume it`s the usual. BBFS, AFAIK, is illegal to do in P4P, unless it`s anal. BTW i came across this thread recently on TERB:
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?421043-In-Japan-they-really-dont-like-foreigners/page3
"In Japan, the "sex industry" is not synonymous with prostitution. Since Japanese law defines prostitution as "intercourse with an unspecified person in exchange for payment," most sex clubs offer only non-coital services to remain legal.[1] This has led Joan Sinclair, the author of Pink Box, to observe that the sex industry in Japan ironically "offer
"...The definition of prostitution is strictly limited to coitus.[21] This means sale of numerous acts such as oral sex, anal sex, intercrural sex, and other non-coital sex acts are legal."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Japan
