Diffenrece between SP's and Hookers

[Ghetto Child]

Some guys juz don't understand what da dif is between SP's and Hookers is or else they wouldn't dis an SP by calling 'em dat. Why some guys would even dare call an SP a hooker, does he really know word for word what da difference is.

Definitions: An Sp VS a hooker

SP short for Service provider is an form of independent escort that works in a legally licensed facility. She may provide services of a sexual nature if she chooses to do so but is not obligated by anyone to provide such a service. It is at her digression.

[/B] Hookers rarely have a license, and freely roam in public and private spaces offering sexual services that are illegal to take part in. They do not have a choice in what service they provide especially if they are working for madame or a pimp.

SP's usually work in MP's that provide a safe environment for both clients and providers and offer services in private behind closed doors where it is perfectly legal in Canada to provide a service of sexual nature for money as long as it is not done in public.

Hookers have no rules to protect themselves Safety, your's or her's, does not matter at all. Any obligation for any hookers to provide a safe practice in non-existent. Therefore illegal!

SP's are employees of a company that offers adult services. They decide on their own terms what services that they will provide and have the right to refuse service to any questionable individuals. Perfectly legal!

Many hookers are more desperate for cash and take on clients that any SP in their right mind would not touch. If they have a pimp or madam then they are obligated to perform sexual acts on anyone that is willing to pay them. Totally illegal.

SP's only pay a flat service fee to a Employer and the employer is not permitted to live off any of their avails. The room fee is all they are allowed to collect. The majority of an SP's money is hers.

Hookers may not get to keep much of their money at all. Some may even be used as sex slaves, or be conned into a situation where they are in debt to a pimp or madam for funds which they must put no regards to themselves and be willing to sacrifice personally dignity if necessary to make money.

SP's have a great amount of self respect, dignity and grace which they provide a service for us to enjoy to the best of our abilities provided we show them the respect they deserve.

Besides money being exchanged for sex Sp's and Hookers have nothing else in common. .

If your going to call an SP a hooker, go to the street and find a hooker. If You do not have enough respect for the SP that makes your money worthless in the long run.

What do the SP's think? I doubt any girl wants to be called anything but a service provider!

I love and respect SP's so I will call them by their names, by a compliment or an SP. Respect. is it so hard.

Nuff said!

 

[maverick73]

I was just about to hit the hay, and I figured somebody else would do the dirty work for me, but what the heck, I'll put in my 3 cents...

>SP short for Service provider is an form of independent escort that works in a legally licensed facility. She may provide services of a sexual nature if she chooses to do so but is not obligated by anyone to provide such a service. It is at her digression.

Digression? I think you meant discretion.

I would have to estimate that 95% of SP's provide services of a sexual nature. "Hookers" as you refer to them also are not "obligated."

>[/B] Hookers rarely have a license, and freely roam in public and private spaces offering sexual services that are illegal to take part in. They do not have a choice in what service they provide especially if they are working for madame or a pimp.

I'm willing to bet more than 80% (possibly 90-95%) of SP's also don't have licenses. Furthermore, "hookers" all have choices in what services they provide... even if they are working for a pimp.

> Hookers have no rules to protect themselves Safety, your's or her's, does not matter at all. Any obligation for any hookers to provide a safe practice in non-existent. Therefore illegal!

Have you ever seen a "hooker?" Many "hookers" are safer than some SP's. Just because somebody happens to have a permanent place to live doesn't mean they are any safer. There is no obligation by "hookers" or SP's to provide a safe practice. It is up to the client to decide what constitutes safe practices. Also, how does safety affect "legality?"

>SP's are employees of a company that offers adult services. They decide on their own terms what services that they will provide and have the right to refuse service to any questionable individuals. Perfectly legal!

Try telling that to the independents on PERB.

>Many hookers are more desperate for cash and take on clients that any SP in their right mind would not touch. If they have a pimp or madam then they are obligated to perform sexual acts on anyone that is willing to pay them. Totally illegal.

You may have a point there. In general, SW's can be more desperate for cash than the typical SP who has a permanent place to stay. About the pimping them, the hookers themselves would not be doing illegal things... it is the pimps that would be breaking the "living off the avails" law.

>SP's only pay a flat service fee to a Employer and the employer is not permitted to live off any of their avails. The room fee is all they are allowed to collect. The majority of an SP's money is hers.

If you're referring to MP's... many owners of MP's rip off their girls with excessive fines and effectively "live off the avails"... they just do it such that it doesn't appear to break the "letter of the law" even though it breaks the "spirit of the law." 15 min. late... $50 fine... miss a call, $100 fine... each day you owe money $100 interest... shit like that... as for Agencies, they collect a LOT more than just a "room" fee...

>Hookers may not get to keep much of their money at all. Some may even be used as sex slaves, or be conned into a situation where they are in debt to a pimp or madam for funds which they must put no regards to themselves and be willing to sacrifice personally dignity if necessary to make money.

Yeah, well so are many SP's... many addicted SP's give 95% of their money to drug dealers... is that much different than a hooker who gives her money to a pimp?

>SP's have a great amount of self respect, dignity and grace which they provide a service for us to enjoy to the best of our abilities provided we show them the respect they deserve.

Many of them do, many of them don't. If u think they all do, you need a dose of reality.

>Besides money being exchanged for sex Sp's and Hookers have nothing else in common. .

They have more in common than you think. I've had no less than 3 SP's tell me in person to just refer to all sex providers as hookers... and to quit being so politically correct around them. I would always use the word "SP" in front of them... and they got annoyed... one of them even asked me what it meant... I told her service provider...and she laughed at me... she said "we're all hookers... get over it."

>What do the SP's think? I doubt any girl wants to be called anything but a service provider!

VeeVee is proud of her "hooker bag." Julia is proud of her "Hockey and Hookers Night." Meiko thinks the name "hooker" is cute. Hooker is a position in Rugby. It's just a damn word. Get over it.

My 3 cents. No disrespect meant to you or any SP that doesn't like being called a hooker. I actually normally use the word "escort." It's the best word IMHO... but once I get to know somebody, we both usually joke around using the words hooker, SP, courtesan, high class ho, and escort interchangeably.

 

[Avery]

Ghetto Child, try explaining all that to Sydney. She's one of the classiest ladies on this board, and a very intelligent and articulate poster. She calls herself "The Honest Hooker".

I generally refer to the ladies as "escorts", not "hookers", but I don't think I'm a knight in shining armour because I do that.

 

[threepeat]

I do appreciate your concern ghettoChild, but we're all in this together baby, trick, john, client..gentleman?

The sex trade is multi faceted, with no one being better or worse than the rest.

Lets not quibble over semantics.

I agree. I'm OK with any of the labels I am called (client, trick, john), and I have not yet met an SP who was not OK with being called an SP, a prostitute, or hooker.

Just as in real life, it's more about the intent than about the label.

 

[Kurrupt]

no diss to you Ghetto, but I have met plenty of SP's that call themselves hookers...

this is da way i see it...

example with SP:

man: i want FS
SP: that will be $xxx
man: here it is
SP: ok, lets do it.

example with hooker:
man: i want FS
hooker: that will be $xxx
man: here it is
hooker: ok, lets do it.

Now I know these are very vague and there is probably more that happens, but you get the gist of it.

I agree however that calling a lady an SP is far classier then calling them a hooker, the term hooker sounds almost insulting.

-K-

 

[dbrw42]

There is no real difference between an SP and a hooker. However, the term "hooker" does have a negative connotation with many. Calling a lady an SP is more a show of respect for ladies in this profession. But, as has been pointed out, some ladies have no problem refering to themselves as hooker, or being called a hooker. All of us would be best off referring to ladies who provide sexual services for money as SP's unless the lady herself says differently.

 

[littlejonny]

Ghetto Child, you seem like a nice guy, so don't take these criticisms too hard. You seem to be looking at this situation in terms of black and white though instead of the many shades of gray that they actually are. For instance, there are allegations that the owner of Heaven's Gate makes the girls employed there have sex with him or else they have to pay fines. What does that make him and what does it make the girls who work there? Not trying to assign labels, I'm just saying it's not all as cut and clear as you would like.

 

[Ghetto Child]

It come down to how ya use it

I do appreciate your concern ghettoChild, but we're all in this together baby, trick, john, client..gentleman?

The sex trade is multi faceted, with no one being better or worse than the rest.

Lets not quibble over semantics.

How ya you use it whether as part of cenverations or do you use it to insult someone. The use may be more important than the word itself. But I agree with ya whole heartily.

 

[Ghetto Child]

Ghetto Child, you seem like a nice guy, so don't take these criticisms too hard. You seem to be looking at this situation in terms of black and white though instead of the many shades of gray that they actually are. For instance, there are allegations that the owner of Heaven's Gate makes the girls employed there have sex with him or else they have to pay fines. What does that make him and what does it make the girls who work there? Not trying to assign labels, I'm just saying it's not all as cut and clear as you would like.

It makes it illegal because he cannot live off the avails. This is why I prefer SP ran MP's.

 

[ihatemyskirt]

Alexandria well said.

 

[Ghetto Child]

Anyways that is How the LE see it

I actually got most of the words from a friend dat works for E-Town Five "O' and they use these Definitions to determine whether you have comitted a illegal act or not.

That is actually the exact legal dif beetween and SP/ Esscort 'n' what LE sees as a hooker.

 

[mick_eight]

I actually got most of the words from a friend dat works for E-Town Five "O' and they use these Definitions to determine whether you have comitted a illegal act or not.

That is actually the exact legal dif beetween and SP/ Esscort 'n' what LE sees as a hooker.

RU sure you don't work for LE,did u cum from NYNY to apply for a job maybe?I hear they can't find a honest cop in the town, the biggest laugh is that no one will apply because they know how fucked EPS is and won't touch it. But a NY cop , we be sinking lower than NO

 

[BS Detector]

Absolutely agree....

Why is the word degrading when some of us are here because we love having sex with strangers ?

Annalise, No one is saying that there is anything wrong with the people in the business or here on the board but the word, "hooker". Some may call it semantics and that to a certain extent is correct but would you not agree that some words are used in a derogatory sense. Do you go around referring to people as niggers and chinks? Why not? My guess is because it is a derogatory term for referring to Blacks and Chinese. You are talking about the same people but I'm guessing in polite company, you would yse Black and Chinese rather than the other two. Hope I don't get banned for even mentioning those words here

I don't go as far as another member here but all who know me know that I always treat the ladies with respect. Unlike what he has posted in those other threads, I don't worship the ground they walk on (well not most of the time lol), I don't fall for them for the whole hour for every session I go to, but when I'm there, their enjoyment is as important to me as is mine. Actually, part of my enjoyment IS knowing they too are enjoying the time we are spending together. I also doubt you will ever hear me call you a hooker.

 

[Ghetto Child]

As l,ong as she is okay with it

Isn't that all that matters in the end.

 

[ihatemyskirt]

Girls who work outdoors call themselves ho's with pride I think and an indoor girl may get offended at being called one. Hooker is a term that ussually meant a girl who works outdoors and hooks clients on the street. Still because of the novelty and almost shock value factor, all sorts of working girls use that term. Escorts are a wide range of caliber and price and now theres a real mixture of in and outdoor girls who work for agencies and thus fitting into the escort category. Generally if a girl has any outdoor experience (i only mean high track) she also has really good habits about hygene,risks,boundaries,proffesionalism,and even drug use. You may laugh but girls who work outside on high track do way less dope then us girls!!! That is why they call it high track and that is why they stand outside like that and charge the prices they do, cuz they can. It seems that almost any girl can get a job at an agency being an escort, and really theres very little schooling that goes on so those girls who get hired by agencies are at a disadvantage cuz of what they don't know before hitting the calls. This leads to girls who take risks for small tips and a weaker set of policies as far as the sex trade goes in our city. That is never a good thing cuz it gives a bad reputation to an allready unaccepted trade. Those are the girls we call escorts and ussually are viewed as more "high end" by people who don't know any better. I am not saying anything except the belief that indoor girls are far cleaner and classier and drug free than "ho's" out on the track, is soo totally wrong that it is funny. The term ho doesn't only apply to a street walker anymore, and an escort isn't necisarily high end. Don't misunderstand, there are all types everywhere and I know these things don't apply to everyone but I invite u to do your research and tell me different.

 

[littlejonny]

Just curious Annie. Any reason why you're leaning up against a Citroen in your website picture? It's not normally considered a "chick magnet" in most circles.

 

[mick_eight]

The term "hooker" ,dates from the civil war in the good ol USA. John Hooker kept his men happy with the women who were called? HOOKERS

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

Interesting thread.
Totally fuckin' pointless.
But interesting.

 

[sexdemon207]

okay, right...

what ever you got to tell yourself...

 

[ihatemyskirt]

Hattrick you pooned on hightrack for how many years?? Ha thats ridiculous and so is a trick who manages to get a yeast infection from a working girl!!! Didn't anyone tell ya to never lick a hookers pussy? Also hightrack is generally geared towards tourists because they are the only fools who will pay those prices. I am sorry u wasted soo much money out there buddy. True that the quality is going down and so are the numbers, can't argue there.