Designer Suits

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I recall reading some advice from a designer, in a men's magazine (it was one of the younger guys: Todd Oldham or Kenneth Cole or Marc Jacobs -someone like that).
His advice was directed not at the wearing-a-suit-daily-to-the-office guy, but at the guy who wears a suit occasionally as part of "dressing up".

His suggestion was to spend more modestly on the suit, (but NOT scrimp on the tailoring/ alteration of it), and to splurge on the shirt/ tie/ shoes.

Basically he was suggesting that extra money spent on really great shirts and ties will get a "wow" factor that can't be had by spending the same extra money on a suit.
 

magicmystery

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You're spot-on about the shoes. A LOT of men always cheap out with dress shoes. They'll buy some cheap shit from God-knows-where that have thick and chunky rubber soles. Such shoes are meant to be worn with khaki twills and jeans BUT NOT with a suit! I also find that most men don't bother taking care of the maintenance of their shoes and don't bother shining and polishing them.
And YES, women will ALWAYS notice our shoes.
I can use some shoe advice. Show me some nice shoes that are to be worn with suits.I think I buy not-bad shoes. But I am intrigued because you didn't mention any specific brand that'd be considred cheaping-out, any specific brand that'd be considered 'nice shoe'. I usually get my formal shoes from Aldo/Spring.

http://www.shoebuy.com/ -- they have all kinds of shoes there. Pick some that you think are way to go. I understand everyone's personal style will be different. But your picks will give me an idea about the kind of brand, fashion, price-range to shop for.

I wear sneakers/runners to gym. I never wear them with jeans just casually. Only with gym clothes.

http://www.aldoshoes.com/ca-eng/men/boots/casual/71656576-clinton/97 and these are similar to the ones I wear with jeans. Except mine are not this high. They are higher than normal though. Reach my ankle, but don't go over it. Mine are slightly less boot like. I think this style is called 'chukka' boots.

The ones I wear to work are:
1. http://www.aldoshoes.com/ca-eng/men/shoes/dress-loafers/72684763-kit/97
2. http://www.aldoshoes.com/ca-eng/men/shoes/dress-lace-ups/71975673-yvain/97
 

hapkido

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Depends on industry and corp culture you work in, your position and personal style statement which best works for you....as well as your budget.
 

MrPeterNorth

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I respectfully disagree with the notion that brown shoes go well with everything. A great deal of my shoes are brown, and I have dark-chocolate brown Prada boots that are amazing and comfortable. But if I'm wearing a navy-blue pinstripe suit, I'm sure as f*ck not going to wear it with brown shoes. It's just as tacky as the Jerry Seinfeld "plaid shirt tucked into pale jeans followed by white sneakers" look.
 

magicmystery

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My rule of thumb has been that both brown(tan) and black shoes are interchangable as long as they match with color of your belt. Since almost all my belts are black, I wear black shoes more often.

Spermie, you have some amazing advice about men's fashion. Thanks for the tips :)

All this description is great. But I'd also love to get a visual. Could you post links to some shoes that are high-quality (of course, personal taste and style will differ, but I'd be able to look up other shoes in the same range).

and since you trashed Spring/Aldo that I wear, I am going to go to mall tomorrow to shop for new shoes (new shoes were due in a month or so anyway). I got this discount coupon in mail for Tommy Hilfiger. Do they carry quality stuff?
 

hapkido

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I respectfully disagree with the notion that brown shoes go well with everything. A great deal of my shoes are brown, and I have dark-chocolate brown Prada boots that are amazing and comfortable. But if I'm wearing a navy-blue pinstripe suit, I'm sure as f*ck not going to wear it with brown shoes. It's just as tacky as the Jerry Seinfeld "plaid shirt tucked into pale jeans followed by white sneakers" look.
Agreed. Brown does not go with everything. To each his own I guess. Also Dacks shoes is not my personal style preference. It may suit me some occassions but to each his own.

As for suits, it's easy to suggest the high end shops like Rosen or Holt Renfrew but for those who can't blow that kind of money, I would suggest Brands that are positioned just below tier 1 designer suits or custom suits that are well worth consideration. Strellson brand is a pretty good compromise. The designer was formerly from Hugo Boss. At the end of the day the fit and quality of fabric needs to drape your body well whatever suit you choose. When I was in Asia and went into a department store and found an awesome summer suit that fit me perfectly and quality of fabric was natural wool for $200 Canadian. Also I picked up a business cashmere/wool long overcoat for $300 which would have easily fetched over $1,500 at Rosen. Also if you are patient you can scoop up gems at Sales or if in Toronto the Holts Warehouse Store.

Basically I have a few high end Designer suits for special occassions and the rest of my suits are moderately priced stylish suits. Not too conservative and not too edgy. I'm always looking for a subtle detail or color that sets me apart from the pack.;) If I want to get edgy I go for Y for Men Yoji Yamamoto or Paul Smith or local designers. I rarely pay retail price unless I'm totally wowed and I can't find it anywhere else.

Just find your own personal style which works for your body and business culture. At my stage in life I'm passed the Designer Holts/Rosen/Boutique must shop place. I'm looking for good value now which fits my personal taste and budget. Been there done that. I see too many people, friends and family members shopping beyond their means and get caught up with the cult of designer brand life.
 
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1. Beware of the sales guy
He’ll tell you whatever you want to hear—that everything looks great on you, that the store’s tailor can fix any suit. And you can almost be guaranteed his sense of style will be different from yours. For all these reasons, you need to know as much as possible about how a suit should fit and what kind of suit you’re looking for before you walk through the door. Remember, you’re the boss, not him.

2. Know why you’re buying a suit
Are you hunting for a suit that you’re going to wear to the office once or more a week? (If so, keep it dark and classic.) Or are you looking for a suit you’ll wear a few times a year to weddings and funerals? (Black or navy is a safe bet.) Is it a suit you’ll wear to job interviews? (If so, you want to be well dressed but not better dressed than the guy interviewing you, so nothing too pricey.) Or is it the kind you’d wear with sneakers and a T-shirt, or wear just the jacket with a pair of jeans? (Think designer, not Brooks Brothers or Hickey Freeman.)

3. Start at a department store
When you’re ready to start shopping, grab a friend who won’t hesitate to provide you with a blunt opinion, and head to a store like Holt Renfrew, Harry Rosen, Barneys, Saks or Bloomingdale’s. You’ll be able to view a variety of brands instead of just one. Once you’re inside, do a lap of the suit floor by yourself. See what styles are carried—what grabs your attention. Look at prices. Ask for a salesman when you’re good and ready.

4. Know your size
It sounds obvious, but it’s not. The most crucial element of a suit is its fit, and not many sales guys understand how a suit should fit or, more specifically, how you want yours to fit. Before you step into a dressing room, get a handle on the various components of a suit…

Shoulders:
The suit’s shoulders should hug yours; shoulder pads should not protrude beyond your own shoulders. If you stand sideways against a wall and the shoulder pad touches the wall before your arm does, the suit is too big.

Chest:
You should be able to easily button the jacket without it straining. Conversely, there shouldn’t be too much space between the button and your chest—no more than a fist’s worth

Length:
When your arms are hanging straight down, you should be able to cup your fingers under the sides of your suit jacket. However, these days, with shorter suits in style, some jackets reach only about an inch beyond the cuff of your suit sleeve.

5. Start thinking about the number of buttons
Now you need to think about the style of the suit itself. The first thing you need to consider is the number of buttons on the suit. This will determine a good deal about the cut and fit. Here are some basic pointers:

• The three-button suit (left) became the dominant look in the 1990s; it now seems to be the standard young man’s choice. Instead of opting for one of those high-cut versions, look for one with a roll-over lapel—one in which you button the middle button, encouraging the soft lapel to roll over the top button.
• For years the two-button suit was the go-to conservative, Capitol Hill getup. Now every fashion label imaginable is designing two-button suits, except they’re making them more streamlined and modern. This cut is what’s most in style right now.
• If you’re looking for something rakish, a bit more high-style, try a one-button suit. It’s not for everyone, but if you can pull it off, it’s a sleek look.

6. Think about the vents on the back of the suit jacket…
• A center vent is all-purpose; it is both modern and traditional. You can’t go wrong.
• Side vents (left) are more European; a bit more suave.
• A ventless jacket is just plain wrong. It says you think it’s still 1986.

7. …and the type of lapel
• A notch lapel—what you see on most business suits—is the standard. You’re always safe with a notch lapel.
• A peak lapel (left) is more old-school and elegant. And now it’s enjoying a comeback with the high-fashion crowd. It makes a statement.

8. Now head to the dressing room
If you’re not wearing a dress shirt and dress shoes, ask for them; a good store should be able to hook you up. Then, find the three-way mirror and size up your suit. And not just the jacket. Consider the pants, too: They should be comfortable, and the rise (where the pants sit on your waist) shouldn’t be too high or too low for your taste. If you don’t think the pants fit right, try on another suit.

9. Know what a tailor can—and can’t—do for you
Here are the areas you should direct your tailor’s attention to:
• Shoulders: If your suit doesn’t fit in the shoulders, it’s not going to fit anywhere else. Salesmen will tell you they can reduce or reshape the shoulder pads—don’t listen to them.
• Pants: If the pants are an inch or so too tight or too large in the waist, a tailor can usually fix them. But if it’s more than an inch, you’re asking for trouble.
• Jacket: A tailor usually will need to alter the length of the sleeves. Insist that you’d like a quarter inch of shirt cuff to show. The sides of a jacket often need tapering so they contour to your torso. And check out the collar: Many times there is a roll in the back of the suit jacket, up near your neck. A good tailor can correct this.

If you are looking for a bargain try Holt Renfrew Last Call when visiting TO and Winnipeg. There's also seasonal sales and Boxing Day. Harry Rosen has an outlet in Mississauga. The US has some fantastic outlet stores in Nevada and in LA. Some manufacturers produce slightly different suits in their retail and outlet stores; primarily using lower quality fabrics at the outlets. You don't have to worry about that at HR stores.

Also, if you are a little adventurous there is Ebay but I would only suggest this avenue if you are really familiar with a brand and size. Just be weary about knock offs but use some common sense and check feedback, etc.

BTW I do not work for any of the above mentioned retailers.

Happy shopping.
You could at least have attributed the source, instead of trying to pass it off as your own original material. :rolleyes:

http://men.style.com/gq/fashion/landing?id=content_4800
 

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If you want to blend in with the crowd and not do your own thing, then buy black dress shoes. (*Boring!* *Zzzzzzz!*) If you want pizzazz and European savoir faire, then wear brown leather dress shoes with leather soles. Which shade of brown, you may be wondering? Any shade ranging from dark walnut/chocolate to coffee to cognac to tan. AND YES, BROWN SHOES WILL LOOK GOOD WITH ANY AND ALL COLOUR OF SUITS AND PANTS. If you want the women to notice you in a crowd, you WILL wear brown shoes. If you don't want the women to know you exist, then wear SUPER-FUCKING-BORING-AS-ALMIGHTY-GODDAMN-FUCKING-HELL black shoes. No, I'm not being biased; I'm just telling you the plain simple truth.
I think you're goddam right. I don't know about brown shoes going well with everything, but certainly they tend to go well with most. For some reason, black shoes on me (shiny or matte, dress or casual) always seem to stand out like a sore thumb. A pair of good quality brown shoes in the right shade, on the other hand, does wonders. Maybe it does have something to do with skin tone and hair colour.

As for quality, I've found that if you spend the money once you'll have to spend it far less. My $275 pair of Kenneth Coles look like they did five years ago. It's amazing the difference quality makes.

(Did I just write that much about shoes?)
 

MrPeterNorth

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Alright, here are some visuals :

Dress shoes : <br>
Exhibit One - Luca Del Forte $250
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Exhibit Two - Cesare Paciotti $700
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Exhibit Three - Luca Del Forte $250
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Exhibit Four (casual - to be worn with jeans or khakis only) - Prada $350
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Exhibit Five (casual, yet not too formal/casual) - Calvin Klein $150


And always - match the belt with the shoes. Black is easy to do, brown is very difficult to properly match, but is sharp when done properly. And for the general audience - never, I repeat, never wear white socks, unless you're wearing khakis or jeans with runners.
 

magicmystery

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Thanks, Sperminator and Mr. PeterNorth for the visuals. From these visuals, here is my shortlist (well, I'll get everything in my short list, one by one):

Here is a small visual guide for magicmysteryman:


2.) A pair of good quality oxfords (your choice of brown or black) is a standard staple shoe in any man's shoe wardrobe. Just make sure it's made of high quality leather and has leather soles.




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Now, that takes care of the absolute basic essentials. For those who possess far more sartorial savoir faire, the following shoes are absolute MUSTS:


6.) Classic white buck shoes are a summertime staple that are always worn with a classic cotton seersucker suit. White bucks also work very well with a pair of jeans or khakis and even with a more casual suit in a fabric such as linen or cotton.




7.) Classic black patent leather shoes are a MUST when wearing "black tie" (i..e. a tuxedo). DO NOT EVER LET ME CATCH ANY OF YOU WEARING REGULAR DRESS SHOES WITH A TUXEDO. I SWEAR I WILL FORCE-FEED YOU 20 DONAIRS UNTIL YOUR COLON AND RECTUM BURST; PLUS, YOU'LL HAVE TO MOP UP THE MESS YOURSELF.


Alright, here are some visuals :

Dress shoes : <br>
Exhibit One - Luca Del Forte $250
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Exhibit Four (casual - to be worn with jeans or khakis only) - Prada $350
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Exhibit Five (casual, yet not too formal/casual) - Calvin Klein $150


And always - match the belt with the shoes. Black is easy to do, brown is very difficult to properly match, but is sharp when done properly. And for the general audience - never, I repeat, never wear white socks, unless you're wearing khakis or jeans with runners.
 

magicmystery

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Dropped by Zara today @ Robson. I thought the suit quality was horrible. That indochin site claims to produce suits better than Zara but worse than Zegna. Zara's quality is quite horrible in my opinion.
 

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Dropped by Zara today @ Robson. I thought the suit quality was horrible. That indochin site claims to produce suits better than Zara but worse than Zegna. Zara's quality is quite horrible in my opinion.
Zara business model is well known as inexpensive "disposable" clothing. They can copy a design and distribute into retail market within months.
 

magicmystery

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Zara business model is well known as inexpensive "disposable" clothing. They can copy a design and distribute into retail market within months.
I didn't know that. I thought Zara was a decent brand. How is Zegna? Never seen any Zegna suits.
 

MrPeterNorth

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No offence but most of those shoes you listed Spermie are kind of... how do I say it... fuddy-duddy shoes. I'm under the impression MM is younger and probably wants something a little edgier with a traditional touch. Most of the items you have displayed are for gentlemen 50-60 and up.

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I don't know a single guy in his 20's that would wear a shoe like this. For real. Unless you're some preppy snobby young brat whose dad is a member of the Yacht Club or Shaugnessy Golf Club, etc.

And Tuxedo shoes - again, like how often is a guy in his 20's going to be wearing black-and-tie apparel? Once? Twice?

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Brown suede shoes are fantastic for year-round wear but especially so in the fall. They work well with a pair of jeans all the way up to a suit--and yes, they also work exceptionally well with a navy suit and a grey suit. Again, all your friendly neighbourhood gay salesmen at Harry Rosen and at Holt Renfrew will attest to this fact.
Is that so? I'd like to see anyone keep a pair of these shoes in tip-top condition walking around in the rain on a fall and dreary November day in Vancouver. And if all the gay salesmen say so, well then, it MUST be true :cool:.
 

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I prefer leather soles on the shoes and I always prefer brown shoes and NEVER black. Black is far too boring, far too ubiquitous, and lacking in imagination. And yes, as we all know, brown shoes go well with EVERYTHING.

(Wait a minute . . . you mean the $69.99 shoes at Transit aren't real leather?! :eek: :eek: )

I love shoes from Ecco and Dack's--very high quality. Ecco is very reasonably priced considering their quality ($200 up to about $400). Dack's are hand-benched right here in Canada (New Brunswick, to be exact) and sell for about $325-$350 a pair and up (way up!).
Dack's! They used to have a store downtown Granville by Fox & Fluevog (I may be dating myself here). Haven't seen anyone sell Dack's for years. I forgot about them. Used to buy shoes from Sheppards at the corner of Hastings & Hornby or was it Howe? Anyways, they had a great selection, some of which I still wear. And I would have to agree with you Sperminator, leather soles on all dress shoes. The only pair that don't are my brown suede ones with rubber soles for casual wear. I mix it up with brown and black dress shoes whether it be a cap toe, split toe or oxfords.
 

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I don't know a single guy in his 20's that would wear a shoe like this. For real. Unless you're some preppy snobby young brat whose dad is a member of the Yacht Club or Shaugnessy Golf Club, etc.
"Well, peasant, exccuuuuuusssee me!" lol, j/k:p

Man, I guess being in a similar situation to MM, reading this entire thread is like mind-numbing.


One question if I may... what type of shoes will match a beige pants/jacket? I mean having shoes as bright will make you look like a condom, but black wouldn't work, and brown... it just seems to visually clash in my non-fashion expert opinion. I always believe that wearing dark colours during the summer is kinda odd.
 
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