Defining services

[VanessaofBC]

Well, being a newcomer to the Vancouver scene and also returning to the business after a long hiatus things have changed. A lot.

I do not know if this topic has been beaten to death here. I also know the clients/callers that should see and read this probably never will.

Can we share our definitions of FS? GFE? PSE? Basically your minimum expectations for the service mentioned below.


My definitions

FS - MPOS, CBJ (perhaps digits & kissing)

GFE - as above + DATY, LFK/DFK, digits, (perhaps greek/DATO)

PSE - as above + BBBJ, COF/CIM, Greek (perhaps video, rimming)

MSOG = 1 hour or above

When GFE started we would describe it as "more intimate, less restrictions". Condoms were always used. Always, no exceptions. Greek was depending on the girl and usually an extra $50.
PSE was usually +$100 and included BBBJ and/or CIM/COF.

Now GFE seems to be split between SGFE (safe BJ) or Full GFE. (with BBBJ)

Your definitions?

 

[yazoo]

Well, being a newcomer to the Vancouver scene and also returning to the business after a long hiatus things have changed. A lot.

I do not know if this topic has been beaten to death here. I also know the clients/callers that should see and read this probably never will.

Can we share our definitions of FS? GFE? PSE? Basically your minimum expectations for the service mentioned below.


My definitions

FS - MPOS, CBJ (perhaps digits & kissing)

GFE - as above + DATY, LFK/DFK, digits, (perhaps greek/DATO)

PSE - as above + BBBJ, COF/CIM, Greek (perhaps video, rimming)

MSOG = 1 hour or above

When GFE started we would describe it as "more intimate, less restrictions". Condoms were always used. Always, no exceptions. Greek was depending on the girl and usually an extra $50.
PSE was usually +$100 and included BBBJ and/or CIM/COF.

Now GFE seems to be split between SGFE (safe BJ) or Full GFE. (with BBBJ)

Your definitions?

There seldom is agreement on this question - but my criteria...

When I'm doing a review I usually rate GFE on a scale. It's kind of like scoring ice-skating - There are the technical requirements and then the artistic component. To get 5/5 there needs to be the fantasy that the SP is into you. As far as the technicals, a minimum of LFK, BBBJ, and FS. I like digits, CIM, but understand why they are often off the menu and don't consider them part of GFE.

As far as PSE, I would say almost everything is on the table except BB.

 

[VanessaofBC]

There seldom is agreement on this question - but my criteria...

When I'm doing a review I usually rate GFE on a scale. It's kind of like scoring ice-skating - There are the technical requirements and then the artistic component. To get 5/5 there needs to be the fantasy that the SP is into you. As far as the technicals, a minimum of LFK, BBBJ, and FS. I like digits, CIM, but understand why they are often off the menu and don't consider them part of GFE.

As far as PSE, I would say almost everything is on the table except BB.

okay...so as a newcomer, again clarifying when you state BB you are referring to BB FS. Because BBBJ is just a given during PSE.

In your opinion, Digits, CIM are more of a discretionary activity than being classified to a particular service?

 

[yazoo]

okay...so as a newcomer, again clarifying when you state BB you are referring to BB FS. Because BBBJ is just a given during PSE.

In your opinion, Digits, CIM are more of a discretionary activity than being classified to a particular service?

Yes. BBFS.

Digits can easily create scratches from finger nails thus leaving you vulnerable to catching something throughout the rest of the day until it heals, and also there is the sanitary aspect. I have one fav who allows, but does a heavy duty finger scrub in the shower. I love to play in the rec centre, but totally understand restrictions. As far as CIM - again I love it, but don't expect it.

BBBJ and DATY though? - That's just what new GF/BF's do!

 

[VanessaofBC]

Yes. BBFS.

Digits can easily create scratches from finger nails thus leaving you vulnerable to catching something throughout the rest of the day until it heals, and also there is the sanitary aspect. I have one fav who allows, but does a heavy duty finger scrub in the shower. I love to play in the rec centre, but totally understand restrictions. As far as CIM - again I love it, but don't expect it.

BBBJ and DATY though? - That's just what new GF/BF's do!

Thanks for letting me know, yazoo!!!
I guess it is different for ladies who actually have real BFs to provide BBBJ to their clients AND their BF. IMO.

 

[sevenofnine]

If I remeber correctly there was one sp who got into a fight about pse a while back.

She claimed pse does not mean bbbj's

So I wouldn't assume anything when a lady only states pse or gfe without listing any specifc service.
And one lady in gfe includes bbbj.
Her pse includes greek cim swallowing and facials amoung a few other things, not listed so I will not mention it.

I would look for terms such as safe in a girls ad,
it explains where she stands more clearly I think.

pse and gfe is to vague and different girls have different interpertations.

 

[VanessaofBC]

If I remeber correctly there was one sp who got into a fight about pse a while back.

She claimed pse does not mean bbbj's

So I wouldn't assume anything when a lady only states pse or gfe without listing any specifc service.
And one lady in gfe includes bbbj.
Her pse includes greek cim swallowing and facials amoung a few other things, not listed so I will not mention it.

I would look for terms such as safe in a girls ad,
it explains where she stands more clearly I think.

pse and gfe is to vague and different girls have different interpertations.

ok, thanks 7of9. See how things have changed. I always thought BBBJ was the core of a PSE. I may even argue that GFE/PSE is a mindset, an attitude that has to come with the service.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

 

[VanessaofBC]

Keep that hand to yourself, Alex.....!!!!!! :fear: I might call her a Bobbitt!

 

[Pillowtalk]

I think relying on interpretation of those terms is the problem. Just list the services available or not available, and don't rely on someone else's version of what GFE is or isn't. I'm sure there are many people who read the phrase FS only, and don't realize that FS isn't greek, bbbj, and daty, but just FS alone. The same thing with massage and happy ending, I'm sure there are a lot of guys surprised they can't include kissing and daty in those 60 dollar hj sessions.

It's just easier to communicate and confirm, when someone calls, what you do or don't do, rather than assume they read anything at all or that they understand what they read in the first place.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

I think relying on interpretation of those terms is the problem. Just list the services available or not available, and don't rely on someone else's version of what GFE is or isn't. I'm sure there are many people who read the phrase FS only, and don't realize that FS isn't greek, bbbj, and daty, but just FS alone. The same thing with massage and happy ending, I'm sure there are a lot of guys surprised they can't include kissing and daty in those 60 dollar hj sessions.

It's just easier to communicate and confirm, when someone calls, what you do or don't do, rather than assume they read anything at all or that they understand what they read in the first place.

and THAT is a piece of danged good advice... :thumb:

 

[VanessaofBC]

I think relying on interpretation of those terms is the problem. Just list the services available or not available, and don't rely on someone else's version of what GFE is or isn't. I'm sure there are many people who read the phrase FS only, and don't realize that FS isn't greek, bbbj, and daty, but just FS alone. The same thing with massage and happy ending, I'm sure there are a lot of guys surprised they can't include kissing and daty in those 60 dollar hj sessions.

It's just easier to communicate and confirm, when someone calls, what you do or don't do, rather than assume they read anything at all or that they understand what they read in the first place.

I see what you are saying Pillowtalk. It is obviously a misinterpretation of the phrase or perhaps just a lack of knowledge on the part of the client., As we know there are pooners and then there are men who seek out the services of a SP only on rare occasion. These guys are the ones who know nothing about perb, FS, GFE definitions or have any proper "etiquette".

Please keep in mind not all ladies have the freedom to talk openly on the phone and prefer emails. (Not all, some...then there are those that do not even provide a phone number.)

 

[VanessaofBC]

I've given up on the alphabet soup. Here's my definition of services: you buy time and what we do with it is up to you. I do what's in my reviews and some things (Greek and filming) are extra. If its a deal breaker ask in email, if its not ask in the moment. The only question that would outright offend me or kill the mood is asking for bbfs.

Thank you, Missy.

Email helps clarify things too and in an in-direct way that does not make me feel like I am providing you with phone sex or a cheap thrill. IDK when it became more of a hobby to call around talking to SPs than to actually see the ladies and write reviews. That's what it feels like some days. And its the same guys over and over that wanna call and ask the questions. Thank the gods for phone apps and smartphones. They keep track of everything.:nod:
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edit: and so does my gmail account for those of you who like to send the same email every other month but still never book.

 

[JustJason]

This is a great topic! And after "going around the block" a few times, and just asking ladies their opinions (after meeting of course) I have learned a few things about myself as well.

I have heard sooo many stories of time wasters and "jerk offs" who ask tons of questions but never follow through. I have been guilty of asking tons of questions beforehand myself. Part of that is the excitement, and part of it is walking away after a session feeling a bit disappointed in not having my expectations met, through my own fault for not confirming "what's up" beforehand and deciding I would rather not feel like that again.

After having some fun with a touring lady I asked her about how she felt about answering questions (thanked her for answering mine!). She started to read to me some of the messages she had received just from the time we were together, and it was crazy. "hey babe wanna suck my cock?" every other minute kinda stuff. I thought it was pretty sly of her to use our topic of conversation as an excuse to check her messages while I was still there, but when I jokingly pointed that out she became indignant with me. Which brings me to the other side of the coin, the old cliche "looks get you there, personality keeps you there" is what i'm starting to care about more than "services offered". When I see someone and they take the time to communicate with me their restrictions, or defining services via a website or even through posts/reviews, then I have a sense of what's up ahead of time.

I was with someone recently and during an amazing hj+dirty talk finale type of thing with me over top of her she started to say things like "I bet you can't wait to cum all over my face", well ok that was really hot, but when I started to cum she flinched and after told me gfe means no cof. Er really? I did apologize for the sake of politeness but also pointed out it would be kinda nice to hear that beforehand lmao! I understood she was just trying to push me over the edge, without trying to "rush" me. We actually had a good laugh over it and chatted about it, which ended up putting us overtime, but because of that she got a repeat out of me the next day. And you can bet when "the time" came again I choose a different position lol!

 

[VanessaofBC]

This is a great topic! And after "going around the block" a few times, and just asking ladies their opinions (after meeting of course) I have learned a few things about myself as well.

I have heard sooo many stories of time wasters and "jerk offs" who ask tons of questions but never follow through. I have been guilty of asking tons of questions beforehand myself. Part of that is the excitement, and part of it is walking away after a session feeling a bit disappointed in not having my expectations met, through my own fault for not confirming "what's up" beforehand and deciding I would rather not feel like that again.

After having some fun with a touring lady I asked her about how she felt about answering questions (thanked her for answering mine!). She started to read to me some of the messages she had received just from the time we were together, and it was crazy. "hey babe wanna suck my cock?" every other minute kinda stuff. I thought it was pretty sly of her to use our topic of conversation as an excuse to check her messages while I was still there, but when I jokingly pointed that out she became indignant with me. Which brings me to the other side of the coin, the old cliche "looks get you there, personality keeps you there" is what i'm starting to care about more than "services offered". When I see someone and they take the time to communicate with me their restrictions, or defining services via a website or even through posts/reviews, then I have a sense of what's up ahead of time.

I was with someone recently and during an amazing hj+dirty talk finale type of thing with me over top of her she started to say things like "I bet you can't wait to cum all over my face", well ok that was really hot, but when I started to cum she flinched and after told me gfe means no cof. Er really? I did apologize for the sake of politeness but also pointed out it would be kinda nice to hear that beforehand lmao! I understood she was just trying to push me over the edge, without trying to "rush" me. We actually had a good laugh over it and chatted about it, which ended up putting us overtime, but because of that she got a repeat out of me the next day. And you can bet when "the time" came again I choose a different position lol!

I am starting to think that for every guy that only sees a lady with a website there are two that DO NOT see ladies with websites, because when they call with a laundry list of questions, you are typically directed to the website and as mentioned earlier by FeeNix, some could not be bothered to check out a website.

 

[barny-stinson]

I've given up on the alphabet soup. Here's my definition of services: you buy time and what we do with it is up to you. I do what's in my reviews and some things (Greek and filming) are extra. If its a deal breaker ask in email, if its not ask in the moment. The only question that would outright offend me or kill the mood is asking for bbfs.

This question will have as many answers and opinions as there are guys and gals on these boards.

No two people are alike. I am a big believer that all services should be prefaced with, in bold, YMMV. The only two constants in this world are death and taxes, absolutely everything or in this case everyone are variables.

I have trouble defining GFE and PSE, the differences in my opinion are more the style of sex, not the services themselves. Lots of women enjoy giving slow sensual blow jobs that end with the cum going down the throat. Does that make it PSE just because it was CIM? I'd argue no, I'd say it was intimate, just like a typical GF type experience. The PSE version would be more sloppy, deep throating, aggressive, balls to the wall type of BJ. Just an example. The same services, two totally different styles.

I have also never understood GREEK as a PSE item either, under the same principles. Some women just like anal and that's all there is to it.

SGFE - never understood this one, if you're safe I think safe should apply across the board, no fluid exchange at all. Which immediately eliminates kissing, which thereby eliminates it being GFE.

I do think filming is PSE though. That's what pornstars do, have sex on film. LOL.

 

[mimi]

Back in the nineties GFE meant she would actually smile at you

 

[VanessaofBC]

Back in the nineties GFE meant she would actually smile at you

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You always have something thoughtful to say mimi. Thanks!!

 

[vancity_cowboy]

This question will have as many answers and opinions as there are guys and gals on these boards.

No two people are alike. I am a big believer that all services should be prefaced with, in bold, YMMV. The only two constants in this world are death and taxes, absolutely everything or in this case everyone are variables.

I have trouble defining GFE and PSE, the differences in my opinion are more the style of sex, not the services themselves. Lots of women enjoy giving slow sensual blow jobs that end with the cum going down the throat. Does that make it PSE just because it was CIM? I'd argue no, I'd say it was intimate, just like a typical GF type experience. The PSE version would be more sloppy, deep throating, aggressive, balls to the wall type of BJ. Just an example. The same services, two totally different styles.

I have also never understood GREEK as a PSE item either, under the same principles. Some women just like anal and that's all there is to it.

SGFE - never understood this one, if you're safe I think safe should apply across the board, no fluid exchange at all. Which immediately eliminates kissing, which thereby eliminates it being GFE.

I do think filming is PSE though. That's what pornstars do, have sex on film. LOL.

+1

material for a 'sticky' for sure :thumb:

 

[VanessaofBC]

........YMMV. .......

Forget YMMV.

Newbies have NO clue what that means.

Just say it straight - All services are provided at MY discretion!!!