Someone should organise that again..Yes you can be "friends" with SP's because you share a common bond that you do not share with anyone else. I have spent some socializing time off the clock where we just sat and talked, listened to some music or watched TV together. Sometimes its just nice to cuddle together on the couch and talk i.e. not making out etc. It's nice to be able to share thoughts and ideas in an environment where you are not on the clock, having to shower, play and then shower and move on again. After all if you see a person often enough, eventually you may decide well that was fun, want to grab a bite to eat?
You have to realize that there comes a fair bit of isolation for both pooners and SP's. Both can not for the most part discuss the biz with friends (civilians), families and generally the SP's get together to socialize with like minded SP's. Pooners from what I have gathered are unlikely to get together to shoot the shit in person. There have been a few get togethers in past years but I think those days are passed now.
Dating exclusively is not a reality and should never be expected IMHO. SP's need to work to support themselves, pay for education, and in some cases support children too.
I guess you just volunteered :nod:Someone should organise that again..
I was volunteering you.I guess you just volunteered :nod:
From what I hear and the pics I saw posted here, they were fun events. I was invited to one of the last ones but had to travel that week.
I don't think anyone is assuming that you would use her; this is just part of the answer to the question, i.e.. what are your intentions? Anyways, as you mentioned, she brought it up first.Why do u feel that I would use her?
I appreciate the sentiments of warm_mallard, as well as what he's been through in his experiences with the SPs that he dated. But thank you for saying it, hornygandalf, no two experiences will be alike and, as with mutual funds, past experience can never be a predictor of future experience, even when there are inherent similarities.snip...I don't think you can necessarily generalize that to all ladies or assume that is ALWAYS the case (maybe I'm being too idealistic).
That was a great read. Very insightful!I don’t review but I do feel like I should contribute to this board which I have used.
I have some first hand experience with dating an SP. In fact, I have dated two recently. Both very well reviewed, higher end ladies. And no, I won’t say who.
They were both beautiful, vivacious, smart and wonderful to hang out with. I really enjoyed their company and for the most part could not wait to be with them.
One for 6 months and one for about a year. I felt I actually got pretty close to love with both of them. Sadly, that was not ultimately the end result. Writing this missive is a bit cathartic.
I’m not a jealous guy. In fact one of the things about dating an SP is it pushes your own boundaries of what is acceptable within a relationship. It forces you to look at your own ego and consider issues around possessiveness
I think I may have discovered that I have some kind of cuckold fetish – because I did enjoy fantasizing about them having sex with other men. Clearly I had no issue with them seeing clients. I know from experience that you can separate love and sex – SPs do it every day.
I found that dating an SP has a few things in common.
The Good:
- They have lots of disposable cash! And I think they feel some twinge of guilt about dating you and sleeping with other men so more often than not they pick up tabs, take you out for nice dinners and buy you nice presents. A refreshing change from some of the Vancouver princesses who assume you will pay for everything. I like to pay for my girl – its not an issue – but it feels good when they pay for you too.
- They are good in bed. DUH. I have always liked sluts. And I say that with all the respect in the world. I like a woman who likes to fuck and does it often and seeks it out. I want a girl who is sexually experienced and needs a certain amount of sex to be fulfilled. It’s a turn on. Sometimes sex addiction is part of the make-up however which can lead to some bad / risky behaviour.
- They have flexible schedules. They are often available to hang out with you during the day and night. They only work a few hours a day and are up for anything. They have money and like to explore the world. They seems to have varied interests and are not held down by a 9-5 job.
- They are clear they don’t care if you date other people on the side. I never really had the time or inclination – but they are not unhappy if you hump a girl on the side here and there – they just don’t want to know about it. Perhaps a red flag.
- They are open to threesomes. They have had a few and like it for the most part – don’t we all? Having an easy threesome with no emotional fall out for the relationship is a hard thing to find.
The Bad:
- You don’t really get to meet their friends or family. I did in some small doses, but for the most part they want to keep you separate. Here is the rub: You have a huge gun to their head. You could, at any time, reveal their secret to these important people. They have to really really trust that you would not do this in a fit of anger.
This cannot be understated – its an imbalance in the relationship. They have dated civilians who don’t know what they do. It works. Sure they have to make up stories to those guys, but they don’t have this imbalance – as a former client you hold this time bomb. Unfortunately it develops an issue to progress the relationship. Relationships need to be present in social situations to really get to know someone. To see how your partner is among others and how what your friends think of them (they don’t really care to meet your friends either – the explanations of how you met – the possibility that one of your friends has been a client! Embarrassing!)
- With higher end GFE girls there is always complicated relationships with various types of clients. The one/two hour clients who just want to have sex are one thing. These are not the guys you have anything to worry about. But there are always clients who have more money that you, who take them away and buy them fancy things and you can’t compete with that (or I can’t anyway). With long term rich clients lines get blurred. I think when you fake liking someone so much at some point you start to actually have feelings for that person. They treat you well, they are obviously not so bad to deal with or they would not become a long term client and in a way they become “Boy friends” as well. There is a possibility they could become what you are – a client turned BF.
The Ugly:
- They lie. Yep. They lie. I really believe in honesty in a relationship. I would rather hear the hard news than be lied to. I’m a big boy – I can take it – and I am always very honest with my life and feelings for another person. But SPs live their life lying to people. They lie to their friends, family and of course to clients. And unfortunately in my case they lied to me. They lie about where they were, who they were with and what they were doing. You think to yourself , “I have given you all this freedom to see clients and I don’t judge – so why lie to me?” Well – they do. In my case both of them had other client turned boyfriends. They kept them from me – but things just didn’t add up and I found out. I may have been the “Main Guy” but they have others.
Look, these are women who are used to having men throw themselves at them. Give them attention, affection and money. All that attention is intoxicating. And I believe they kind of crave it. Ultimately you will not be enough for them. I found this out the hard way.
So in the end I think my days of dating SPs is over. It was a fun ride, but the rollercoaster is over. I’m not giving up this hobby – but will prefer to date civilians. I will definitely miss the excitement of a slightly crazy, generous, sexy GF – the downsides are unfortunately too much to deal with.
I need truth in my life – and their business just makes things too complicated.
Thanks for reading my super long post. Hope it was useful.
Of course, because of the cyclical nature of the investment markets, one could argue that the poor performing funds/stocks one year might be high performing the next year. There is some evidence for this though clearly not universally true. Some dogs will always be dogs... as someone who has lost more than he cares to think about in the markets.snip... as with mutual funds, past experience can never be a predictor of future experience, even when there are inherent similarities.
And as I've stated in other threads, dating as an SP is just way too complicated for me, so I won't be doing it. After retirement, that'll be a different story!
I dunno, it overall sounds like a pretty horrible experience to me, if someone said my girlfriend would:I don’t review but I do feel like I should contribute to this board which I have used.
I have some first hand experience with dating an SP. In fact, I have dated two recently. Both very well reviewed, higher end ladies. And no, I won’t say who.
They were both beautiful, vivacious, smart and wonderful to hang out with. I really enjoyed their company and for the most part could not wait to be with them.
One for 6 months and one for about a year. I felt I actually got pretty close to love with both of them. Sadly, that was not ultimately the end result. Writing this missive is a bit cathartic.
I’m not a jealous guy. In fact one of the things about dating an SP is it pushes your own boundaries of what is acceptable within a relationship. It forces you to look at your own ego and consider issues around possessiveness
I think I may have discovered that I have some kind of cuckold fetish – because I did enjoy fantasizing about them having sex with other men. Clearly I had no issue with them seeing clients. I know from experience that you can separate love and sex – SPs do it every day.
I found that dating an SP has a few things in common.
The Good:
- They have lots of disposable cash! And I think they feel some twinge of guilt about dating you and sleeping with other men so more often than not they pick up tabs, take you out for nice dinners and buy you nice presents. A refreshing change from some of the Vancouver princesses who assume you will pay for everything. I like to pay for my girl – its not an issue – but it feels good when they pay for you too.
- They are good in bed. DUH. I have always liked sluts. And I say that with all the respect in the world. I like a woman who likes to fuck and does it often and seeks it out. I want a girl who is sexually experienced and needs a certain amount of sex to be fulfilled. It’s a turn on. Sometimes sex addiction is part of the make-up however which can lead to some bad / risky behaviour.
- They have flexible schedules. They are often available to hang out with you during the day and night. They only work a few hours a day and are up for anything. They have money and like to explore the world. They seems to have varied interests and are not held down by a 9-5 job.
- They are clear they don’t care if you date other people on the side. I never really had the time or inclination – but they are not unhappy if you hump a girl on the side here and there – they just don’t want to know about it. Perhaps a red flag.
- They are open to threesomes. They have had a few and like it for the most part – don’t we all? Having an easy threesome with no emotional fall out for the relationship is a hard thing to find.
The Bad:
- You don’t really get to meet their friends or family. I did in some small doses, but for the most part they want to keep you separate. Here is the rub: You have a huge gun to their head. You could, at any time, reveal their secret to these important people. They have to really really trust that you would not do this in a fit of anger.
This cannot be understated – its an imbalance in the relationship. They have dated civilians who don’t know what they do. It works. Sure they have to make up stories to those guys, but they don’t have this imbalance – as a former client you hold this time bomb. Unfortunately it develops an issue to progress the relationship. Relationships need to be present in social situations to really get to know someone. To see how your partner is among others and how what your friends think of them (they don’t really care to meet your friends either – the explanations of how you met – the possibility that one of your friends has been a client! Embarrassing!)
- With higher end GFE girls there is always complicated relationships with various types of clients. The one/two hour clients who just want to have sex are one thing. These are not the guys you have anything to worry about. But there are always clients who have more money that you, who take them away and buy them fancy things and you can’t compete with that (or I can’t anyway). With long term rich clients lines get blurred. I think when you fake liking someone so much at some point you start to actually have feelings for that person. They treat you well, they are obviously not so bad to deal with or they would not become a long term client and in a way they become “Boy friends” as well. There is a possibility they could become what you are – a client turned BF.
The Ugly:
- They lie. Yep. They lie. I really believe in honesty in a relationship. I would rather hear the hard news than be lied to. I’m a big boy – I can take it – and I am always very honest with my life and feelings for another person. But SPs live their life lying to people. They lie to their friends, family and of course to clients. And unfortunately in my case they lied to me. They lie about where they were, who they were with and what they were doing. You think to yourself , “I have given you all this freedom to see clients and I don’t judge – so why lie to me?” Well – they do. In my case both of them had other client turned boyfriends. They kept them from me – but things just didn’t add up and I found out. I may have been the “Main Guy” but they have others.
Look, these are women who are used to having men throw themselves at them. Give them attention, affection and money. All that attention is intoxicating. And I believe they kind of crave it. Ultimately you will not be enough for them. I found this out the hard way.
So in the end I think my days of dating SPs is over. It was a fun ride, but the rollercoaster is over. I’m not giving up this hobby – but will prefer to date civilians. I will definitely miss the excitement of a slightly crazy, generous, sexy GF – the downsides are unfortunately too much to deal with.
I need truth in my life – and their business just makes things too complicated.
Thanks for reading my super long post. Hope it was useful.
Well, if that's the case, HG, I suppose it'll make up for the line-up of wonderful visitors that I'll no longer be seeing (I am asked regularly, not to retire just yet)...so, in advance, I'll say...snip...Bet you'll have a line-up of potential suitors once you retire PA...
Well, just saying that those 3 things seem like huge red flags and it seems like you had 1.5 years of your life spent chasing something where it was clear to an outsider you wanted it a lot more than she did.I should be clear that I am not painting all SPs with the same brush. A sampling of two is not exactly scientific. This simply one man's experience
They just had very similar traits within the relationship so I can extrapolate that some relationships with an SP will be similar.
These were my issues and the pitfalls I experienced.
And to your point Borko - they were ultimately not very healthy relationships - but the heart she is blind.






