I agree. Of the alternate venues I've had a look at thus far, I like it the most both in layout and functionality. And that includes comparing it to the "Therapeutic" section on CL. I've been able to look at the ads on vancityads so far but there is a note that you must be registered on the site even to just surf the ads, so who knows how long it will be before you're forced to register there just to peruse the ads (which were still extremely limited the last time I checked).
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I'm all for promoting BACKPAGE as an alternative to craigslist. As an SP, my experience with BP was NO DRAMA, NO PUSSY FIGHTS, and NO FLAGGING, but CL was free so what can I say to free advertising? What I prefer also with BP is the segregation of bodyrubs from the escorts, and that you can post multiple photos of which can be ENLARGED for your viewing PLEASURE 
Actually, no. They were not playing by the rules if they were posting in the therapeutic section. Therapeutic is therapeutic. It's not "non fs". That's why the erotic services section was called that, and not full service services, or sexual services or even escort services. A massage with happy ending is an erotic service and that's where their ads belonged, not in the therapeutic section. Considering the the low amount of ads in that section, there was little chance of an ad being bumped very far, so there was no reason to post more than once a day...so I wouldn't consider it a huge accomplishment, it simply wasn't needed.
I don't really care either way but I'm just pointing out that they were cheating to begin with, and now just find themselves having to post in the same section as everyone else...which they should have been doing all this time anyway. So they're not worst off than anyone else...ya know.
The only ones getting screwed in all of this are the strictly therapeutic, non-sexual/non-erotic (ie non happy ending) RMT's. (But nice try.. and I'm sure they'll appreciate the free advert.
)And also... why in the world would anyone want to advertise on a site called bitches of CL? Seriously.... Ew.
It's changed now you don't have to register to view ads in the erotic section, but you do to post
Yes, I completely agree . We've known all year christmas is coming LOL and rent/mortgages are always due.
Any girl worth her salt has some money saved and a stable of regulars to get her thru the lean times and any bumps in our industry.
Adriana✿;1101516 said:
While I do agree with you guys, I think it's hard to determine everyone's individual circumstances. Someone who's got kids and is working to get back on track or who's just dealt with some other kind of personal crisis might not have had a chance to save up or prepare for the unexpected. I don't think it's fair considering we don't know everyone's individual situation.
As a rule, I think that anyone with or without money saved up, is likely to be stressed out at a time of year that tends to be costly. While I do think it's to everyone's advantage to learn from this situation and be prepared, I think the biggest lesson here should also be not to put all of one's eggs in the same basket. Those of us who do not depend on one single advertising venue only aren't in the same predicament as those who did and were screwed when CL closed down ERS.
? But the ads are fully visible, aren't they? Or did you stop at that point? lol.
Believe me, not sure why all this talk about where to go, backpage is never going to have the traffic of CL or for that matter, what is happening right now on duttslist.com.
I think many sps like the anonymity of free ad posting, and backpage cannot provide that. As long as payment is exchanged, they are going avoid it since it creates a paper trail. duttslist and maybe vancityads or whatever it is called might be vialble, but for cross country I would say that DL is going to be used more than anything else. At least by sps, judging from the # of ads placed over the past couple of days.
Add to that that there are few if any new ads in that therapeutic section, altho you can see ES ads posted there on the 19th and 20th for contact info. But I doubt if it is going to be usable at all by anyone but the legit and longtime advertisers.
Ok guys!!! Looks like some helpfull bastard started a new site to help out with this little no craigslist problem.. www.nateslist.org its just starting and has some bugs to work out. But its there and its free!!!
Got the word from reliable sources that a number of the girls (including Vivi) have migrated over to a website called lululist.com
Unless you advertise on Eros, none of the websites that charge for advertising require I.d. or anything.
Since they all offer a few options as to method of payment and anyone can walk into a 7eleven or shoppers and buy a giftcard credit card for a variety of different amounts for Visa, MC or Amex that they can then use online... and that anyone with a bank account can send email payments via email without ever revealing their real names... I'm not sure this is the reason. Other than them not wanting to have to pay at all for any advertising, then I'm not sure what other explanation there could be.
Altho there is something to be said about the don't want to pay at all, it is still a significant impact on some who are still really nervous of the whole online posting, let alone payment. They don't always know of these other options, especially if they don't spend much time online (or, let's face it, it isn't individual sps posting their own ads after all -- the sheer volume of ad postings each being paid for, I can think that whoever is footing the bill is going to think twice about having charges of erotic service sites every day lol).
But also to the free posting, when a group of advertisers think the only way to do it is loud, constant bombardments of postings every hour 10-15 times a day, per sp name, then I also kind of think that even at 2 bucks a pop, that is not something they want to do lol. And, unfortunately, the method works, since it gives the impression of choice, wherever these advertisers end up posting, that is where the majority of clients are going to gravitate to. More ads to click on = more fun.
Sites like Craigslist had too much to lose and were forced to bend under the pressure. That's why I started www.nateslist.org as a free service; everyone that helped me set it up so far has been a volunteer. I mean really, what the fuck are they going to threaten me with? Its not my source of revenue. Even if they take it down, it takes all of 2 hours to set up Hosting in another Country. I know I'm going to catch some extra flak because users don't have to register to post and it is all anon, but people have a right to be anonymous if it makes them feel more comfortable. I'm sure that LE will argue that we shouldn't have the right to do things anonymously, but at the end of the day how many police officers and lawyers are listed in the phonebook? Let me tell you, NONE. Why?? Because they wish to remain anonymous. Now don't get me wrong, any ads that appear to be questionable will be taken down. But at the same time, I won't bow down to pressure from anyone, as Canadian Citizens we were all afforded protection on April 17 1982 when our Charter of Rights was legislated to protect us from ALL levels of government. This gave us Fundamental freedoms, namely freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, freedom of thought, freedom of belief, freedom of expression, freedom of the press and of other media of communication, freedom of peaceful assembly, and freedom of association. And guess what, I Believe that consenting adults have the right to do anything they want, I wish to express myself by hosting this free site and I wish to Communicate and Associate with my fellow Perbites and SP ladies online. Now I don't know about you, but that sounds like I have a damn good reason to fight for what we want. I hope you all have a Merry Xmas!! Remember, When freedom is outlawed, only the outlaws will have freedom.. Much Love from Dawg and Nateslist
Good luck with that Dawg. Let's face it, the Canadian Authorities simply imitated their US counterparts. It was not their idea.Some of these politicians must think Canada is the 52nd US State.
Naughty reviews also seems to have lots of profiles and I just noticed there seems to be some activity in the ads section over the last few days. Worth a look.
I'm not sure why all these new websites popping up have to copy the original CL format. IMO CL is CL and while it was useful, there were also lots of aspects which could have used improvement, one of which was the out-of-control spamming! While it was still used by many, I think what that section had become a HUGE turnoff for many people. I mean, no one can honestly say that the majority of what was found on CL wasn't crap. One had to really put some time and effort into sifting through the overwhelming amount of spam and a lot of people had no desire to do this. This is a comment I've heard from lots of people.
I didn't advertise on CL when I first started working as an independent and when I did start, the spamming had already begun to take over however it was still not as bad as it later got and people still went through the listings posted most recently. What I noticed the last year and a half, is that a lot of people got so fed up and annoyed at all the spam that they often didn't bother looking though the listings and instead made specific keyword searches and used those listings to find a girl. As long as I had a couple of listings that were still active, I found that the majority of bookings I got from CL were days after I had last posted.
In this sense, I think the spammers made it much better for everyone else by making themselves so freaking annoying. lol CL had its advantages and it did offer lots of visibility. I never would have wanted to rely solely on it but I found it to be a good additional resource. Of course it also has its disadvantages and that's why I think the format could and should be improved instead of being a carbon copy of the original. I think whoever is going to "replace" CL should offer a new format with improved features and design.
Anyway, just some random thoughts about CL. IMO.
I'm not sure why all these new websites popping up have to copy the original CL format. IMO CL is CL and while it was useful, there were also lots of aspects which could have used improvement, one of which was the out-of-control spamming! While it was still used by many, I think what that section had become a HUGE turnoff for many people. I mean, no one can honestly say that the majority of what was found on CL wasn't crap. One had to really put some time and effort into sifting through the overwhelming amount of spam and a lot of people had no desire to do this. This is a comment I've heard from lots of people.
I didn't advertise on CL when I first started working as an independent and when I did start, the spamming had already begun to take over however it was still not as bad as it later got and people still went through the listings posted most recently. What I noticed the last year and a half, is that a lot of people got so fed up and annoyed at all the spam that they often didn't bother looking though the listings and instead made specific keyword searches and used those listings to find a girl. As long as I had a couple of listings that were still active, I found that the majority of bookings I got from CL were days after I had last posted.
In this sense, I think the spammers made it much better for everyone else by making themselves so freaking annoying. lol CL had its advantages and it did offer lots of visibility. I never would have wanted to rely solely on it but I found it to be a good additional resource. Of course it also has its disadvantages and that's why I think the format could and should be improved instead of being a carbon copy of the original. I think whoever is going to "replace" CL should offer a new format with improved features and design.
Anyway, just some random thoughts about CL. IMO.
Thanks for the Wishes Fred Z. And I agree with you totally. More and more in the last couple years The Canadian government has implemented Amercian style policy's into our system. Look at the state of affairs in America right now, 1 out of every 18-20 Males in the US is either In jail or on parole or probation. That is their solution, throw everyone in jail, open private jails and pocket billions of dollars. Sadly our Conservative government shares the same ideals. Look at the Crime rates in the USA compared to ours, their system is obviously flawed so why should we try to be like them? Because our leaders don't have the balls to stand up to them.
Hey Miss B, I can only speak for myself when I saw, the same style classified format of CL was the easiest to use. Trust me I would love to have a brilliant programmer and developer build the best site on the net, but seeing as this is a free option for everyone I don't see that happening in the near future. I know spamming was out of control, but at the same time there was a problem with spammers flagging legitimate posts and having those taken down. Either way nateslist is there for those who wish to use it.
Hey Miss B, I can only speak for myself when I saw, the same style classified format of CL was the easiest to use. Trust me I would love to have a brilliant programmer and developer build the best site on the net, but seeing as this is a free option for everyone I don't see that happening in the near future. I know spamming was out of control, but at the same time there was a problem with spammers flagging legitimate posts and having those taken down. Either way nateslist is there for those who wish to use it.
Some politicians certainly do seem to think that we are the 51st state don't they! HOWEVER, my point is that fortunately there are lots of FREE Canadians who would put a stop to that ever happening!
(As an aside, technically, there are 46 states, 4 Commonwealths and 1 Federal district in the US of A.)
Seems like someone got control over the Therapeutic section in Vancouver as well. Nothing there other than "massages" offered in some cases by familiar names. However the Casual Side of things which SHOULD be the area that everyone can post in (as everyone also knows) has been comfortably occupied by the Gay community (mostly males). Seems they flag all the straight girl ads... which is in itself wrong.
Why not create a category for Gay / Lesbian activities and leave "Casual" for what it SHOULD be. Casual. After all, as nice as most of the lovely ladies are, i don't want to marry them and they most certainly don't want to marry me!!!
Why not create a category for Gay / Lesbian activities and leave "Casual" for what it SHOULD be. Casual. After all, as nice as most of the lovely ladies are, i don't want to marry them and they most certainly don't want to marry me!!!
