City Traffic Bylaws vs. ICBC Rulebook
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how's about, 'make up yer own rules along the way'
oughtta be real popular around here!!
how's about, 'make up yer own rules along the way'
oughtta be real popular around here!!
I'm gonna lay out the facts for you then alinburnaby.
What ICBC does is to help all the city governments in BC to sort of legislate traffic laws which are approved by the city governments of course.
In this case, when we wanna get our drivers licenses, then under the MVA, and in my understanding, we go in to the driver licensing office and take the exams.
Ironically, we have to study ICBC's rulebook in order to take the exam. And so, all our drivers licences here in BC are issued by ICBC.
If you look at the licence carefully, it says "Driver's Licence British Columbia, Canada" at the top of the licence.
This has been effective since day 1! Now let me ask you one thing, does any of the city here in BC ever issue a driver licence which states "Driver's Licence City of Vancouver, BC" at the top of a driver's licence?
Therefore, all city traffic bylaw officers have to enforce ICBC's rulebook first, then that particular city traffic bylaw next.
If you say city traffic bylaw first, then you are saying or implying that what the city approved to ICBC is actually NOT APPROVED. Then, ICBC rulebook is not correct. Then, ICBC can't issue any drivers licences because now it becomes illegal. The fallout of this will be super big and will definitely shake the life of everyone. All emergency vehicles, law enforcement vehicles, and both public and private on-the-road transportation have to cease operation effective immediately. The reason is simple. All drivers are only carrying ICBC issued drivers licences as required to operate any vehicles on-the-road. It totally shakes up the whole province's economy and safety and security! Is this what you wanna see?
What ICBC does is to help all the city governments in BC to sort of legislate traffic laws which are approved by the city governments of course.
In this case, when we wanna get our drivers licenses, then under the MVA, and in my understanding, we go in to the driver licensing office and take the exams.
Ironically, we have to study ICBC's rulebook in order to take the exam. And so, all our drivers licences here in BC are issued by ICBC.
If you look at the licence carefully, it says "Driver's Licence British Columbia, Canada" at the top of the licence.
This has been effective since day 1! Now let me ask you one thing, does any of the city here in BC ever issue a driver licence which states "Driver's Licence City of Vancouver, BC" at the top of a driver's licence?
Therefore, all city traffic bylaw officers have to enforce ICBC's rulebook first, then that particular city traffic bylaw next.
If you say city traffic bylaw first, then you are saying or implying that what the city approved to ICBC is actually NOT APPROVED. Then, ICBC rulebook is not correct. Then, ICBC can't issue any drivers licences because now it becomes illegal. The fallout of this will be super big and will definitely shake the life of everyone. All emergency vehicles, law enforcement vehicles, and both public and private on-the-road transportation have to cease operation effective immediately. The reason is simple. All drivers are only carrying ICBC issued drivers licences as required to operate any vehicles on-the-road. It totally shakes up the whole province's economy and safety and security! Is this what you wanna see?
What if the ICBC's rulebook says you are allowed to park in that location, but you don't see any specific instructions saying that you are not allowed under city traffic bylaws? Now which one are you gonna follow? City or ICBC?
ICBC administers the MVA much like the CRA enforces the Income Tax Act. I am not aware that the ICBC rule book tells you where you are allowed to park specifically (in terms of geography). Even if it does it would be in general terms, you still have to observe the city by-laws.
This reminds me of my first business law course, a lot of students were asking the prof. how they can fight their traffic/parking tickets during question period. To which he simply smiles and says "with your wallet".
Using the CRA as an example again, they publish a lot of guides and pamphlets. These are their interpretations of the law so if they are wrong, the law stands.
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If they print out the interpretation of the law, they are held responsible to interpret it accurately.
ICBC helps the governments to print out the laws on behalf and therefore is part of the government because the governments give them the authority to do it.
You need to somehow respect it.
What people in here don't understand is that everything is two way. In Asia, in this case, the government is a big loser! The government did not make sure that the public understands the laws correctly.
Wilde, you are learning how to avoid responsibility by double standard!
You all need to think deep on who is actually responsible on the things.
Remember laws are made by a bunch of people in the government!
Governments' customers are the people. You need to ensure that the people know what you are giving them!
By the way if you read ICBC's guideline/rulebook carefully, you should be able to find a section about parking, stopping, etc.
This is what the structure looks like:
governments' traffic laws -> icbc rulebook -> all bc drivers licences holders
So, governments are responsible to make sure ICBC interprets/legislates the laws accurately and correctly.
We are responsible to follow ICBC's printed guidelines/rulebook because that's how we get our licences in BC!
ICBC helps the governments to print out the laws on behalf and therefore is part of the government because the governments give them the authority to do it.
You need to somehow respect it.
What people in here don't understand is that everything is two way. In Asia, in this case, the government is a big loser! The government did not make sure that the public understands the laws correctly.
Wilde, you are learning how to avoid responsibility by double standard!
You all need to think deep on who is actually responsible on the things.
Remember laws are made by a bunch of people in the government!
Governments' customers are the people. You need to ensure that the people know what you are giving them!
By the way if you read ICBC's guideline/rulebook carefully, you should be able to find a section about parking, stopping, etc.
This is what the structure looks like:
governments' traffic laws -> icbc rulebook -> all bc drivers licences holders
So, governments are responsible to make sure ICBC interprets/legislates the laws accurately and correctly.
We are responsible to follow ICBC's printed guidelines/rulebook because that's how we get our licences in BC!
In general, if you are the traffic law enforcer, how are you gonna enforce it so that everyone will be satisfied that you have done a good job?
Too bad. Like I said it's the governments' responsibility to make sure ICBC's rulebook is accurate because at least 2/3 of all valid drivers licencers follow this rulebook!
That's politics and reality!
Where did I say that???
All I said was in the event of a discrepancy the MVA or in my example the ITA trumps your little guide books. Clear as mud?
You just answer your own question and you haven't actually understood the fallout of an irresponsible government!
ICBC is owned by the BC government! It is the only corporation which can issue valid drivers licences in BC!
If city governments say the other way around, then they are responsible to issue valid drivers licences on their own. Not ICBC!
So, ICBC's rulebook stands correct! And thus is the most powerful here in BC!
What you guys are saying is a double standard which no one will follow or at least no one knows how to follow! This means that chaos is what the government wants to see and will continue to see in the future!
By the way, alinburnaby, do not expect the federal government will help you out if you are in big trouble because you seem to not understand what the citizenship act really means!
That's equal to double standard. It's not what you said. The reason is that the government likes to pass the responsiblity to irrelevant people. MVA and ICBC are all part of the BC government! But then they all don't work as a team to eliminate confusions and pass everything to the city governments. And then the city governments don't pass the responsibility back to them. Instead, they punish the people saying that the people didn't read their own bylaws. What a lame excuse!
Some smart judges know this and will annonuce us "not guilty"!
Today, I walked to my neighbourhood's restaurant to have lunch. I saw a city of vancouver traffic officer issuing parking tickets. This is the reason why I say ICBC's rulebook is more powerful than City traffic bylaws. Here's the situation:
I saw this officer gave two parking tickets to the two cars that parked on the signed posts. These posts are either close to the stop sign or the alley. So you have to imagine that these signed posts are quite controversial. However, ICBC's rulebook says these spots are definitely legal. I don't know what the parking tickets are for. Now, here's the most non-controversial and definitely 100% illegal parking which i have seen. There is a car right behind this traffic officer. It's parked right in front of a residential house, less than 1.5m from the back alley intersect (on the side street). But this traffic officer did not issue this vehicle a ticket. This guy obviously violates city traffic bylaw. Why didn't he get ticketed? People who follow traffic laws issued by ICBC are ticketed! I haven't seen this since I came here.
This is a fucking country! Sooner or later, Canada will die!
I saw this officer gave two parking tickets to the two cars that parked on the signed posts. These posts are either close to the stop sign or the alley. So you have to imagine that these signed posts are quite controversial. However, ICBC's rulebook says these spots are definitely legal. I don't know what the parking tickets are for. Now, here's the most non-controversial and definitely 100% illegal parking which i have seen. There is a car right behind this traffic officer. It's parked right in front of a residential house, less than 1.5m from the back alley intersect (on the side street). But this traffic officer did not issue this vehicle a ticket. This guy obviously violates city traffic bylaw. Why didn't he get ticketed? People who follow traffic laws issued by ICBC are ticketed! I haven't seen this since I came here.
This is a fucking country! Sooner or later, Canada will die!
