Chris Pronger calls Todd Bertuzzi a liar!!!
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Dan Cloutier is married, he married his girlfriend of over 10 years who he met when he was playing junior hockey, how do I know because I'm a Canuck's season ticket holder and have gone to team events exclusive to ticket holder's only and have met Dan and his wife. I think your s/p friend is a liar, but then again nothing surprises me anymore. Joe Thornton is younger and everybody has 1 or 2 injuries in their career so it's not a big deal to me. Joe Thornton I feel is a better player then Todd Bertuzzi. Joe is a clutch player and he will continue to get better as he is not even in his prime yet.
Thats not the point
BTW, in your post you quoted my text but you seem to be rebutting scott231's post. Are you perhaps a tad confused with the quote function?
How would you like it if you were a public figure and your regular SP sold you out to his friend who can't keep his big mouth shut?Manhattan said:
BTW, in your post you quoted my text but you seem to be rebutting scott231's post. Are you perhaps a tad confused with the quote function?
I'm 23 almost 24 and I'm not married, but let's say I was married I would NEVER cheat on my wife, I believe it's wrong, just my opinion. Yeah Dan's human and he's married all I said was nothing surprises me anymore, if he's seeing sp's while he's married I think he's a duche bag for cheating on her, just my opinion because in my religion cheating is the lowest of the low. Having said that I think Dan's a class act and was super nice to me and enjoyed talking to me along with his wife, he's very good in the commuinity.
If Dan Cloutier gets 3.5 to 4 million in arbitration, the Canucks have to walk away because Dan Cloutier has had two meltdowns in the playoffs Detriot(2002), Minnesota (2003) and I feel they should give the ball to Alexander Auld as this guy is the real deal. If Dan gets awarded 3.5 million, the Canucks won't sign him and no other team will because if the owners get a 31 million dollar salary cap in the new cba, Dan will be lucky if anyone pays him 1.2 million.
wilde said:
Wilde.....yes that was a great personal recovery from cancer I'm not disputing that......On the.......... ice in the dressing room he's not on the same level with those guys. All the great captains who have ever played and took their team to the cup......name one European.....it's not about being a Don Cherry clone.....it's a fact.....name me one.
I also agree let Auld step up Cloutier is going to be like Cujo one of the greatest goalies to never win anything!!
I think Curtis Joseph is a better goalie then Danny Cloutier, Curtis stood on his head in the Calgary series and the Red Wings couldn't score a goal on Kipper in the series, same thing happened when the Wings got swept 4-0 by Anaheim in 2003 Joseph played great BUT Detriot couldn't solve Giguere. If Dan leaves what do you guys think about Chris Osgood? He's won a Stanley Cup with Detriot in 1998 as he was their starting goalie.
Public figure
Whether or not Dan Cloutier is a public figure is irrelevent. He is not a politician and has made no claims to being perfect. If your 'friend' the SP sees him, she should be keeping his confidence, just the same as when she sees you. How would you like it if people were putting unverifiable information on the internet about you. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who don't care much for you, Manhattan. That still wouldn't make it all okay for them to post shit about you.
Whether or not Dan Cloutier is a public figure is irrelevent. He is not a politician and has made no claims to being perfect. If your 'friend' the SP sees him, she should be keeping his confidence, just the same as when she sees you. How would you like it if people were putting unverifiable information on the internet about you. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who don't care much for you, Manhattan. That still wouldn't make it all okay for them to post shit about you.
Re: Re: Thats not the point
SPs are suppose to be discreet, public figure or no public figure. Get that in that big thick skull of your SP friend. As for you, I hope your are married and are ratted out by your friends for pooning. If not then when you are married so your wife can take half of what you own which I don't think is worth shit anyways. With a big mouth like that things can get lonely around you world. Karma buddy
Yeah I am in love with him, I just love the way he couldn't make a save to a routine shot from the centre ice.Manhattan said:Nope..my response to your comment was "WHAT DO I CARE?" and Cloutier deserves being "exposed"..if you were a public figure, you should be more careful with your behavior! Don't see SPs if you are worried about if the public would know! I don't rat out my friends and I keep all my friends' secrets to the grave. But he's a public figure and I don't know him...so I don't give a fly fuck about him!
I'll be mr. wilde is Cloutier's groupie
SPs are suppose to be discreet, public figure or no public figure. Get that in that big thick skull of your SP friend. As for you, I hope your are married and are ratted out by your friends for pooning. If not then when you are married so your wife can take half of what you own which I don't think is worth shit anyways. With a big mouth like that things can get lonely around you world. Karma buddy
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Oh and playing with a craked rib and leading your team in playoff scoring is child's play? There are at leaset 20 plyers on his team that will diagree with you and they play the game for a living. And what level is he not on?BDAClub said:
You singled out "may be" Peter Forsberg, but he is not the captain of his team. So why him? And I guess Mats Sundin is a sissy in your books and Nikaulas Lidstorm could't carry Rob Blake's skate. Lidstorm winning the Conn Smythe was just a fluke. Igor Ulanov sacrificing his body more than any of his teammates when Edmonton had the almost great playoff run last season, I guess that was because he is a crazy Russian.
As for no European captain taking his team to the cup, I'll give you that one. But don't forget the massive influx of European players until the 90s. And there haven't been that many captains who are Europeans. So this is an anomaly due to the circumstances.
NHL hockey is barely keeping some people awake as it is. Without, the skill levels that the European brings you may as well switch to arena football or watching paint dry.
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I was just taking a wilde guess, people with a big mouth usaully also possess a smelly asshole. You mean I was right.Manhattan said:oh yeah..and thank you for smelling my ass...you like?
Plus my computer gave me the following warning: "smelly asshole on line, mayday, mayday, automatic system shutdown."Fellow perberts, lets start a donation campaign for toilet paper, ass deodorant and ass wipes for this fellow perbert in need. No donation is too small, we will even accept toilet paper but it has to be 2 ply. Please forward donation to "Manhattan".
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Like I said earlier, with a big mouth like that things can get lonely around you world.Manhattan said:Ha ha ha...you guys are so self-righteous and self-absorbing! nope I am not married...
I'll rat him out or slander him whatever I want...because I just don't fucking like him...tell your lover to sue me if you are not happy about it!
you're right, what I own is not worth shit....it's worth a lot!
Typical loser, cowardly behavior - hiding behin a computer and acting like he dosen't have a care in the world.
Let me rephrase, from what you own is worth shit to all you own is shit. My mistake.
wilde said:
Wilde I'm not contesting skill as a player I'm saying they don't have the intangibles to lead a team as a captain......granted he played hurt good it's the playoffs he should as far as leading his team in scoring goes.....Montreal isn't exactly an offensive juggernaut......I mention Peter Forsberg because he can play it both ways he'll make you pay with a hatrick or he'll knock you thru the boards all night long he has that mean streak and he's vocal in the dressing room. Mats Sundin is a great player......but once again he's not captain material.....two years ago when he was out Gary Roberts wore the C and stepped up and carried that team not just by example but he's vocal in the dressing room too and there was lots of questioning of Sundin and rightfully so I think. As far as Ulanov goes......on that team.....two words for ya Ryan Smyth!!
Ask any NHL scout about Europeans and they'll tell you great skill players but not enuff grit (see Ottawa Senators).As players they disappear for the most part when the ice shrinks.
As far as the Europeans raising the skill level and watchability of the games..........the NHL of the 70's and 80's was unbelievable hockey with hardly a European to be found.The game sucks more now because of people like Bettman who don't even know which end of the stick to put on the ice fuckin around with rule changes.
They are talented players that deserve to play in the league no doubt.....but they come up short in the grit and heart department to wear the C.
Oh and the level I'm talking about is the: Yzerman,Messier,Bourque,Sakic etc...etc..........that level
So I'm not saying there not good players I'm talking about who you want as the Captain of your team in the Playoffs when you need him the most.
Montreal not being an offensive juggernaut, so very true. And thats what make Koivu's effort so special. He showed everybody what he can do when given talented wingers such as Kovalev (one of the biggest reason the Rangers won the cup in 1994), Zednik, and Ryder.BDAClub said:
Have you any idea how much a cracked rib hurts? It is an injury that usually take upto as much as 4 months to heal. It hurts when you breath too hard which all hockey player do. Just ask Joe Thornton who had zero points in 7 games in the playoffs. While Koivu played with the same injury and had 11 points in 11 games while playing against the other teams top line or with the other team's checker following him like flies on shit.
Ulanov wouldn't even miss a shift after his face was hit by a puck. His teammates including Ryan Smyth were all in awe with his grit. What has Ryan Smyth done lately since he blew his knee?
Saku Koivu got his captaincy by a vote between his team mates. I think they know something more about grit and heart than yourself. His team mates obviously would beg to differ with your view. They are on the ice together, and they are the ones who KNOWs. If you question his grit and heart, then obviously you don't know much about hockey let alone grit and heart. He may be small but he plays HUGE. I rest my case.
wilde said:
I'm fully aware of how much a broken rib hurts, I'm also aware how they pick a Captain on a team......there isn't alot to choose from on that team. But my whole point from the start hasn't been a pick on Koivu thing it's about all of them. Montreal is one of those also ran teams so go look at any one of the many other also ran teams and if one of them picks a European as a captain it's because there isn't much to choose from. As far as what I know about grit and heart or hockey your not even in a position to speak on that. That's funny like your an expert??
This started out for me anyways that someone had said they should trade Bert because he needs a fresh start and I said that I thought that they should keep him because he is a great player with All the tools and get rid of Naslund. Bert has alot of good years left and there is some debate as to Naslund playing past his current contract and he just doesn't have that edge to him that a team like the Canucks needs(a soft Euro) if they want to break thru and really be an elite team in this league. If he does in fact bolt after this contract you might as well get something for him and give this team over to someone who is committed to the team for years to come and has the game to back it up......I rest my case.
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I am definitely not an expert, 100% correct. What I am saying is the players know about grit and heart, get it? If they think of a person as being fit to lead them on and off the ice, who are you to question them? Like you played in the NHL or something.
You started bashing the European players, not me.
Anyhow, according to your grit theory. Maybe the Flyers should have won the cup.
You don't have to rest your case, as you don't have one. Oh and try and be a bit more original next time.
You started bashing the European players, not me.
Anyhow, according to your grit theory. Maybe the Flyers should have won the cup.
You don't have to rest your case, as you don't have one. Oh and try and be a bit more original next time.
