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Just like the Cylons, China has a plan.....
Whereas Canada dosen't even have a plan....
Natural resource like mining have to be rethought. After all those non-renewalable resources if sold, should be sold, and taxed at a high rate with the money reinvested for the future.

Right now, the company mining makes all the profit. With very minimal money/tax going back to the government.
 
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Just like the Cylons, China has a plan.....
Whereas Canada dosen't even have a plan....
Natural resource like mining have to be rethought. After all those non-renewalable resources if sold, should be sold, and taxed at a high rate with the money reinvested for the future.

Right now, the company mining makes all the profit. With very minimal money/tax going back to the government.
Nope lets just sell ourselves yo the highest bidder...lube up boys, they're goin in.
 

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Just like the Cylons, China has a plan.....
Whereas Canada dosen't even have a plan....
Natural resource like mining have to be rethought. After all those non-renewalable resources if sold, should be sold, and taxed at a high rate with the money reinvested for the future.

Right now, the company mining makes all the profit. With very minimal money/tax going back to the government.
I don't think that you know much about the mining industry. The rate of return is actually fairly poor unless you either luck into starting the mine at the beginning of a high price cycle or the mine has such a long life that if it starts at poor prices it survives to make the capital back during a good cycle. It is a myth that the mines make such a huge profits. Problem is that promoters and executives claim the mine will make lots which is rarely true. But the over promotion results with everyone coming along with their hands out. Been in the business for approximately 40 years so I probably know more about mine economics than anyone on this board.
 
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I don't think that you know much about the mining industry. The rate of return is actually fairly poor unless you either luck into starting the mine at the beginning of a high price cycle or the mine has such a long life that if it starts at poor prices it survives to make the capital back during a good cycle. It is a myth that the mines make such a huge profits. Problem is that promoters and executives claim the mine will make lots which is rarely true. But the over promotion results with everyone coming along with their hands out. Been in the business for approximately 40 years so I probably know more about mine economics than anyone on this board.
Ah, an insider!
So did that dude back in the B.R.I.C.K. days get pushed out of the plane? Enquiring minds are asking.
 
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masterpoonhunter

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Probably got pushed out. I did some work in Indonesia. Lots of important people there were pissed off when Bre-X started to unravel.
Lots of those important folks lost a shit load of money in that fiasco.
The geologist faked the results wasn't that the scam?
Mind you back in those days we had the SRTC which was also one giant scam, so it was scam city all around.
 

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Lots of those important folks lost a shit load of money in that fiasco.
The geologist faked the results wasn't that the scam?
Mind you back in those days we had the SRTC which was also one giant scam, so it was scam city all around.
At Bre-X, there was an organized to spike the samples after they were crushed and prepped for assay with placer gold found in the region. There is actually placer gold in the area which is real but small in nature. Yes, it was organized through the geology group. The scandal led to adoption of extensive technical reporting being required which has drastically decreased outright scams. I would however say that many 'promoters' gloss over the truth.
 

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At Bre-X, there was an organized to spike the samples after they were crushed and prepped for assay with placer gold found in the region. There is actually placer gold in the area which is real but small in nature. Yes, it was organized through the geology group. The scandal led to adoption of extensive technical reporting being required which has drastically decreased outright scams. I would however say that many 'promoters' gloss over the truth.
Was'nt the whole VSE basically a mining stocks scam at that time?
 

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I don't think that you know much about the mining industry. The rate of return is actually fairly poor unless you either luck into starting the mine at the beginning of a high price cycle or the mine has such a long life that if it starts at poor prices it survives to make the capital back during a good cycle. It is a myth that the mines make such a huge profits. Problem is that promoters and executives claim the mine will make lots which is rarely true. But the over promotion results with everyone coming along with their hands out. Been in the business for approximately 40 years so I probably know more about mine economics than anyone on this board.
I was thinking more towards what the Norwegians did when they were drilling for oil. They took 80% of the oil profits (or taxed it at 80%) after expenses by the oil company (state owned??) and put it away for a rainy day. The government was only allowed to use 4% of the interest made the other 96% interest was reinvested ( of the big pot of money they kept adding to since the early 70s). The result was principle coming in every year, along with interest made on the principle. The fund is now worth more than a Trillion dollars They did that at a national level.
I was thinking maybe Canada could do the same with all non-renewable resources. Mining for gold, iron ore, diamonds, rare earth metals, oil and natural gas. That way the mined mineral value goes to the future of Canadians. Not into the pockets of some large multinational company.

The mining company employees get paid and any profits get taxed at a rate between 50-80%.

Unlike now where money is made from the sale of the resource (direct tax), or on the stock market through trading (indirect tax- lesser income than direct because of dividend and capital gains.
 

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Was'nt the whole VSE basically a mining stocks scam at that time?
Actually the VSE created the American gold mining industry as it exists today. Sure there were scams but there was a lot of good projects. Bre-X by the way was a Calgary company on the Alberta Stock Exchange (ASX) in Calgary.
 

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I was thinking more towards what the Norwegians did when they were drilling for oil. They took 80% of the oil profits (or taxed it at 80%) after expenses by the oil company (state owned??) and put it away for a rainy day. The government was only allowed to use 4% of the interest made the other 96% interest was reinvested ( of the big pot of money they kept adding to since the early 70s). The result was principle coming in every year, along with interest made on the principle. The fund is now worth more than a Trillion dollars They did that at a national level.
I was thinking maybe Canada could do the same with all non-renewable resources. Mining for gold, iron ore, diamonds, rare earth metals, oil and natural gas. That way the mined mineral value goes to the future of Canadians. Not into the pockets of some large multinational company.

The mining company employees get paid and any profits get taxed at a rate between 50-80%.

Unlike now where money is made from the sale of the resource (direct tax), or on the stock market through trading (indirect tax- lesser income than direct because of dividend and capital gains.
If you look at investor returns into the industry it is about 2% because of all the companies that have failed. Sure you can tax the shit out of the successful ones but then no-one will bother to invest in Canadian mines. Mining is particularly hard. I can see the Norwegian model working for oil but it could also be applied to forestry, wheat, etc. But it won't.

By the way, people in the mining industry are paid way above average. The industry does pay taxes and it simply goes into the general coffers.

I have only seen one truly spectacular mine that worked out the way people imagine it. The other 100+, well, some did okay, many did not.
 

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If you look at investor returns into the industry it is about 2% because of all the companies that have failed. Sure you can tax the shit out of the successful ones but then no-one will bother to invest in Canadian mines. Mining is particularly hard. I can see the Norwegian model working for oil but it could also be applied to forestry, wheat, etc. But it won't.

By the way, people in the mining industry are paid way above average. The industry does pay taxes and it simply goes into the general coffers.

I have only seen one truly spectacular mine that worked out the way people imagine it. The other 100+, well, some did okay, many did not.
I have colleagues in the mining industry that have fluctuated in and out of work over the years due to the boom or bust nature of the industry. When things are good, they're great, but the other times they are scrounging for work. Some people just tunnel in on the successes because those are what makes headlines.
 

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Today the G7 announced something about a new minimum tax rate for corporations. I think they should put more squeeze on other Tax Havens.
 

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Mark Twain:

"A mine is a hole in the ground with a liar standing next to it."
In a lot of cases true. However mines are necessary as metals are necessary. Just be careful of the spin out there.
 

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Today the G7 announced something about a new minimum tax rate for corporations. I think they should put more squeeze on other Tax Havens.
I think that it is appropriate but the likelihood of getting the G7 governments to actually get it through the legislatures is pretty tough, especially in the US. As a trade treaty, the US Senate has to agree to a 2/3 majority I believe. I could be wrong though.
 

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Wasn't BRICK the coal stock given out by the BC government?
BRIC was BC's investment vehicle into a whole slew of things including the coal terminal in Delta, etc. The Social Credit government gave everyone 5 shares which theoretically were priced at $5 I believe. Because ownership was so diluted, management was not controlled. The assets were poorly run and eventually sold off. Some of those assets have performed very well. It should have been run as a Crown corp or properly sold to business for the benefit of the provinicial treasury. All in all, such a bungle.
 

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Interesting there hasn't been any commentary about the report on the WE scandal. It once again highlights how systemically corrupt the Liberals are. While Trudeau displays incompetence with regards to virtually everything he touches, he also has the built-in corruption gene his party carries. Not only were the contracts awarded without anyone else being asked to bid, but they threw up every roadblock possible to avoid compliance with the committee probing the scandal.
 
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