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Canada delivers a diplomatic bitch slap to Denmark. Wa'kash!

Do you think Canada is right to take a tough approach on Hans Island?

  • Yes! Canada needs to be assertive in defending it's sovereignty!

    Votes: 23 52.3%
  • This things is so overblown. Canada and Denmark should just work something out.

    Votes: 14 31.8%
  • Hans Island belongs to Denmark. Canada stay off!

    Votes: 7 15.9%

  • Total voters
    44

ghostie

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Can you believe this story?? Canadian troops take the Danish flags from Hans island and hand deliver them to the Danish Ambassador in Ottawa! :eek:

I guess it's true what people are saying. Now that the Trudeau/Chretien side of the party (which has always hated the military, since the 1960s anyway) is in full retreat, the military is finally starting to strengthen and get serious about protecting this country's sovereignty again!

Troops capture Danish flags from Hans Island
Secret operation

Adrian Humphreys
National Post

Wednesday, November 09, 2005

Canadian soldiers captured two Danish flags during their recent mission to Hans Island as a demonstration of Canada's sovereignty over the barren Arctic rock, according to previously classified military documents.

The flags were first taken to a Canadian military base in Yellowknife and then at least one of them was hand-delivered to Denmark's ambassador in Ottawa three weeks later. The next day, the ambassador personally repatriated it to Copenhagen, according to Danish officials.

"The first foreign items to be located on Hans Island were two Danish flags. One flag was flying on a flagpole and the other was located in a barrel near the flagpole," says a post-mission report obtained by the National Post under the Access to Information Act.

Taken from the island was a Danish national flag called the Danneborg, meaning "the cloth of the Danes," and a similar flag used only aboard naval vessels, according to the documents.

The series of mission documents -- some of which are labelled "SECRET Canadian Eyes Only" -- say the flags were later "examined and photographed" at the Canadian Forces Northern Area headquarters.

Photographs included in a report prepared for the Department of National Defence six days after the July 13 mission show two flags, one in tatters, presumably from the harsh winds in the frigid area.

But Foreign Affairs officials with both countries spoke only of one flag, the Danish national flag, being returned. No one in either country could confirm the fate of the other flag yesterday.

The Danneborg was handed to Svend Roed Nielsen, the Danish ambassador, on Aug. 2, according to Foreign Affairs Canada. The next day, the ambassador took it to Copenhagen because he was scheduled to return for meetings, a Danish official said.

"It was done with utmost care and respect, which is normal when dealing with a flag of a foreign state, and in this case, a friend and ally," said Pamela Greenwell, spokeswoman with Foreign Affairs Canada.

Anja Jeffrey, deputy head of mission at the Danish embassy in Ottawa, confirmed the transfer.

"It was turned over to the Danish authorities in an appropriate manner. There was no major problem in that," Ms. Jeffrey said.

Hans Island -- about one kilometre in diameter -- is located between Canada's Ellesmere Island and Greenland, a self-governing territory under the Danish crown.

Both nations claim it as their sovereign territory. Negotiations over its ownership are ongoing.

The Danish military has made repeated visits to the island for decades, previously erecting a flagpole and the Danish flag. Pictures taken by Danish naval missions show the sailors in formation in front of the flag.

The July 13 mission, code-named Exercise Frozen Beaver in previous military documents but referred to as Operation Sovereign Inukshuk in the most recent release, was the Canadian Forces' first visit to the island.

The soldiers raised a metal Canadian flag and built an Inukshuk, a traditional Inuit marker.

Members of the Canadian Rangers, a largely aboriginal military unit, on the mission were armed with simple rifles and 20 rounds of ammunition each, according to the mission's operational orders.

The soldiers were issued rules of engagement that authorized them to "use force in self-defence to protect oneself [or] other members of the CF [Canadian Forces]," the orders say.

The mission was followed by a visit by Bill Graham, the Minister of National Defence, on July 20. He posed for photographs in front of the Canadian flag.

In the mission proposal, General Rick Hillier, Canada's chief of defence staff, urges Mr. Graham to send troops to the island as a sovereignty expression.

"According to Foreign Affairs, Canada's official protests of Danish actions on Hans Island are sufficient to protect our legal and sovereign interests in the short term," the proposal says.

"In the longer term, however, FAC officials maintain that Canada will likely need to do more to assert our claim and demonstrate use of the island. "A visit in the normal course of military operations would fulfill this objective."

The Post has highlighted the dispute between Canada and Denmark over the desolate, ice-bound island as one of four international boundary disputes in the north that are prompting concerns over Canada's ability to maintain sovereignty of its vast northern region.

In April, the government issued a new Defence Policy Statement that said Canada was committed to increasing the presence and activities of the Canadian Forces in the north.

© National Post 2005
 

Ilovethemall

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Hilarious

We - the great peaceful nation that supports the U.N. in everything - are taking it to the Danes, a NATO ally that could probably wipe our asses if shots were fired.

Funny how we pick a fight with our friend and our politicians have us run like fucking cowards everywhere else on the globe - except Afghanistan - be strong over there my brothers and sisters.
 

GetHappy

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When looking at this debate, we need to consider the serious ramifacations of this conflict and the possible shift in border locations.... Wait, someone on this poll actually voted that it was Denmark's?!?

It's a barren piece of rock with no discernable value, but it's our barren rock, dammit!

Should also point out that International Law has no jurisdiction on matters of Canadian fisheries and oceans, so what ever we do to the approaching ice-breakers is good and legal (supposedly).
 

Ilovethemall

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hmmmmmmm

Do you think we could trade the Danes......we give them Quebec and a bag of pucks and they give us Hans Island?

Good deal I say.
 

cancowboy2001

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Down with Danish

Ok from now on we call it "Freedom Pastry".
 

Very Veronica

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GetHappy said:
It's a barren piece of rock with no discernable value, but it's our barren rock, dammit!
Danes have been hunting on this 'rock' for hundreds if not thousands of years. What claim other than proximity does Canada have? I say give it to Greenland.
 

Ilovethemall

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more rocks

Actually, it's the unknown potential for minerals and our favorite friend - oil - underneath it....or if you own it, in the territorial waters around it....as well as fishing rights....so although it is a big joke.....nobody really (I don't think) knows what the potential is.

....if we had to, we could through in the DTES and Ottawa as well....but only if they take Ottawa and it's infestation...ummmm, I mean politicians and civil servants :)
 

rickoshadows

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We lost one set of islands many years ago to Russia, becaUse we chose not to exercise our sovereignity in the artic. The Americans are also chomping at the bit, to grab some real estate on the other side of the artic. They already claim it as an internationlal waterway. (Google "Manhattan incident"), It is the old story of give an inch, they take a mile. Also check out on how we got screwed on the Alaskan panhandle deal.

It's a shame we went non-nuclear in the fifties. It sure would be nice to point a few missiles south and say:

BACK THE FUCK OFF!
 

smackyo

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Mike Hawk said:
How would the south pointing missiles prove a point to Denmark??

Or have you even read this thread???
he's relating other incidents in which canada did not defend its rights over certain territories and therefore lost them. also stating that the u.s. is one of the offenders in this. so stating that having missles of our own we could point them towards the u.s. and let them we mean biz, seeing as how all they understand is power. also by doing this maybe other countries would take not, i.e. denmark.

or did you not read his post???

by the way, way to come to the defence of your master when he snapped his fingers.
 

festealth

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Very Veronica said:
Danes have been hunting on this 'rock' for hundreds if not thousands of years. What claim other than proximity does Canada have? I say give it to Greenland.
actually, i don't think anyone has ever habited the island, not even the inuits. and for giving it to greenland or kalaallit nunaat, it's still part of denmark.

what we gotta do is challenge them to a hockey game for the island;)
 

rickoshadows

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Mike Hawk said:
How would the south pointing missiles prove a point to Denmark??

Or have you even read this thread???
My Cawk,

It was as Smackyo stated. One should always try to gauge the consequences of one's actions/inaction, intended or otherwise. Not exercising our sovereignity would just invite others to claim whatever they like.

Perhaps reading the entire thread was a little taxing for you. I normally assume most people can string a couple of thoughts together in a logical progression, I guess I was mistaken.
 
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