Bizarre story ...

[JimDandy]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/gatineau-police-vigilante-justice-arrests-1.4201177

When I read the headline I assumed the teens were girls, but it appears they were in fact young guys. In some ways, it makes story that much stranger. These 2 guys in their 30s did not have a criminal record it seems, and now it looks like they are both going to have a doozy of a criminal record. Makes you wonder if they had been drinking, not that it would be a valid excuse. The 3 teens will have a story to tell their grandchildren!

JD

 

[giaebonyprincess]

Yeah that's just going to far..I hate stories about children being hurt.

There was probably a better way to deal with the problem, thank god the parents stood up for them.

 

[Stamkos]

It definitely went too far but the little phukkers shouldn't have been breaking into cars. Hopefully it's a "scared straight" kind of experience and steers them in the right direction, away from a potential life of crime. It all starts with minor B n E's and escalates from there....

Wild story, thanks for sharing JD :thumb:

 

[Edward Lei]

Say what you want but I'm pretty sure those little punks learned their lesson and won't be breaking into cars again.

Strange story indeed.

 

[giaebonyprincess]

In the end what does this solve? A couple of adults will now face a prison sentence and when released spend the rest of their life being "unemployable" and having to do menial labour jobs. The kids are idiots. The adults are bigger idiots.

I usually seem to agree with you, are you left handed? Lol

 

[Lo-ki]

Of course they will....now they know no one can touch them and the law is on their side.
With the story now news it will be a free for all for any minors to do what they want.

 

[giaebonyprincess]

Actually I am left handed

I knew it really...I have that gift!!

Of course they will....now they know no one can touch them and the law is on their side.
With the story now news it will be a free for all for any minors to do what they want.

Maybe its just the maternal part in me but you guys really need to think about it. Imagine someone taking your child making them preform these acts to teach them a lesson. Simply just bringing the teens to their parents and ratting them out, would of shit their pants, I know I would. Too far is just too far!!

 

[Ray]

I'm all for punishing criminals caught in the act, but what the heck were they thinking when ordering a couple of minors to strip naked? How is that in any way a suitable punishment for breaking into cars. It wasn't just the kids who were idiots.

 

[giaebonyprincess]

I'm all for punishing criminals caught in the act, but what the heck were they thinking when ordering a couple of minors to strip naked? How is that in any way a suitable punishment for breaking into cars. It wasn't just the kids who were idiots.

Thank you!!!

 

[UhOh]

Those two guys are heroes. Should have made the guys blow each other.

 

[Damaged]

...Simply just bringing the teens to their parents and ratting them out, would of shit their pants, I know I would. Too far is just too far!!

While I agree that it was taken too far just bringing them to their parents will do nothing. It was most likely their parenting or lack thereof that led to these teens being the way they are. The guys should have just broken a few of their fingers.

 

[ddcanz]

^^
Fuck that- the little bastards should consider themselves lucky that they didn't get shit-kicked, or worse.
Sure, the adults acted inappropriately on most levels- and will undoubtedly be prosecuted.
But to infer they were closet homos and sexually assaulting and end up "where they belong in jail and on Predator lists"? That's a bit fucking much.
I think marching the little shit heads nude down the street was a helluva good idea- embarrassment can be very motivational.
They made very bad decisions. They should "know better". And they will pay the piper.
Good for you Ava that your teen was brought up with enough respect that he/she didn't cross your lines or break your rules. Sounds to me that he/she understood there were consequences for his/her actions.
Unfortunately too many kids today have figured out that they pretty much hold the power- and can do whatever the fuck enters their mis-guided little heads with very little or no repercussion.
Corporal punishment- damn! It definitely served a solid purpose!

 

[clu]

I disagree. No sympathy for the thieves but the punishment did not fit the crime. Even in the notion of self-defence in criminal law, it's considered null and void if you take it too far. They were stealing loose change. They obviously weren't bold criminals. A citizen's arrest, a squad car, and parents picking them up at the police station would be a message too. But I've got no sympathy for these vigilantees who took it too far. Maybe the kids weren't really in danger for their lives, but I wager they thought they were. For loose change. Maybe Batman can dangle a purse snatcher off the roof, but in real life these revenge fantasies are more over-the-top sadistic payback. Don't pretend that it was done for the kids' educational benefit.

 

[Edward Lei]

Maybe the kids weren't really in danger for their lives, but I wager they thought they were.

Umm, that's the whole point of such a lesson.

 

[ddcanz]

I disagree. No sympathy for the thieves but the punishment did not fit the crime. Even in the notion of self-defence in criminal law, it's considered null and void if you take it too far. They were stealing loose change. They obviously weren't bold criminals. A citizen's arrest, a squad car, and parents picking them up at the police station would be a message too. But I've got no sympathy for these vigilantees who took it too far. Maybe the kids weren't really in danger for their lives, but I wager they thought they were. For loose change. Maybe Batman can dangle a purse snatcher off the roof, but in real life these revenge fantasies are more over-the-top sadistic payback. Don't pretend that it was done for the kids' educational benefit.

How do you know the punishment didn't fit the crime? Maybe these little fuckers break into cars for "loose change" on a regular basis, scorning anyone that might intervene. Who know's what's been stolen besides just a few loonies? Maybe a little vandalism to boot? Or some B&E action when the neighbours aren't home?
In this case, the adults took it up a notch and showed them that there are consequences for your actions. The kids weren't hurt physically- just shamed. It's not like the kid "accidently tripped and bumped his chin on the sidewalk" when confronted. Or the adults concocted a story whereupon the kids lashed out, and in "self defence" had to administer a back-hand (or 5). Should have spanked the little fucker in front of his girlfriend- but no, I guess that would be assault too.
Teens typically don't give a rat's ass until they get stood up against the wall with the looming possibility to soon be toothless.
There was a reason the old man ruled with an iron fist- it makes good citizens.

 

[clu]

How do you know the punishment didn't fit the crime? Maybe these little fuckers break into cars for "loose change" on a regular basis, scorning anyone that might intervene. Who know's what's been stolen besides just a few loonies? Maybe a little vandalism to boot? Or some B&E action when the neighbours aren't home?

If you've got to make up "what ifs" for which there's no evidence to justify the actions, then it's already gone too far.

In this case, the adults took it up a notch

On that we agree. And those adults will now have to accept that there are consequences for that too. Thankfully that'll be sorted out by law and not further vigilanteeism/mob rule.

 

[Ray]

How do you know the punishment didn't fit the crime?

You don't force a minor to strip naked for you. Ever.

 

[ddcanz]

You don't force a minor to strip naked for you. Ever.

Upon reflection you are right on this count.
However, I've known more than a few "minors" in my time that were quite mature- not only in physical/mental development but attitude as well.

 

[ddcanz]

If you've got to make up "what ifs" for which there's no evidence to justify the actions, then it's already gone too far.



On that we agree. And those adults will now have to accept that there are consequences for that too. Thankfully that'll be sorted out by law and not further vigilanteeism/mob rule.

Agreed- making up "what ifs" only adds to further unsubstantiated speculation.
However, IME, when a trouble maker gets busted it is not typically his "first time" with crime.
It's like the guy who pleads "honey, I've never done this before" when confronted by his SO. But the shenanigans are typically ongoing until the perp is caught.

 

[badbadboy]

How do you know the punishment didn't fit the crime? Maybe these little fuckers break into cars for "loose change" on a regular basis, scorning anyone that might intervene. Who know's what's been stolen besides just a few loonies? Maybe a little vandalism to boot? Or some B&E action when the neighbours aren't home?
In this case, the adults took it up a notch and showed them that there are consequences for your actions. The kids weren't hurt physically- just shamed. It's not like the kid "accidently tripped and bumped his chin on the sidewalk" when confronted. Or the adults concocted a story whereupon the kids lashed out, and in "self defence" had to administer a back-hand (or 5). Should have spanked the little fucker in front of his girlfriend- but no, I guess that would be assault too.
Teens typically don't give a rat's ass until they get stood up against the wall with the looming possibility to soon be toothless.
There was a reason the old man ruled with an iron fist- it makes good citizens.

I agree and street justice does work if applied appropriately.

Always have a witness to indicate it was self defence and not have any concerned citizens nearby.

We had a rash of car break-ins over one weekend a years back. Witnesses ID'd the 14 yr old middle schooler who did all the damage. 8 cars with over $20K of damage done in less than 30 minutes. Broken glass, side mirrors and several cars were keyed.

Since we all knew who it was and his parents were concerned for his safety; the RCMP all warned us to have hands off and to go through small claims courts to get our insurance deductibles paid. It would have cost more for lawyers to get our refunds. Not exactly the justice required to make this prick stop the behaviour.

One father indicated his son would deal with it and he did exactly that after school one day. The family of the sociopath put their house up for sale and moved shortly afterwards. They were outed by the whole neighbourhood and needed a fresh start elsewhere.

RCMP made accusations but were unable to get anyone to talk about.