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BILL RUSSELL come on girls let get this guy

I would have thought through one connection or another, an SP out there would know of some dudes who'd take this guy out back and smash him up. That'd be a LOT more effective than a press release.
I agree. How come a girl doesn't set him up in a situation where she can trick him and then have a couple of her guy friends give him a dose of his own medicine? Probably only way he'll learn his lesson. I know if I was a girl and he had tried hurting me, I'd get this jerk back for threatening my life.
 

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I would have thought through one connection or another, an SP out there would know of some dudes who'd take this guy out back and smash him up. That'd be a LOT more effective than a press release.
I agree. How come a girl doesn't set him up in a situation where she can trick him and then have a couple of her guy friends give him a dose of his own medicine? Probably only way he'll learn his lesson. I know if I was a girl and he had tried hurting me, I'd get this jerk back for threatening my life.
The problem with stuff like this is it could possibly just anger him more to take more risks and be more violent.
 

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
thanks for the edit holly!i agree completely.

hunnybaby....i don't know why you hate me......

as far as setting him up for his "just dessert".....i don't think that beating him up will be nearly as bad as embarrasment and arrest...if he sees that police and the mainstream community are listening and do take his crimes seriously....it may deter him, real life consequences...not just gansta consequences...know what i mean...?

as for the comment that you have to take stories from "prostituties" with a grain of salt....well, i am just tickled by the complete lack of respect you have for us. it must me nice to be such an upstanding and trust worthy citizen that you can afford to sit in judgement of us....wow, i wish i was so perfect!!

i believe perb has rules about posting the personal info about people, but there are places online where sp's share info about dangerous clients so in terms of making a website,etc- it has already been done.

this man continues to offend and as a group/community we are not willing to allow it to continue any more and we deserve the same protections as other canadians so we have been trying to find ways to report him, pressure police to act, find justice for his victims...
wish me luck trying to get the story published!!

love susieXXXO
 

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There is no room in our community for a woman hating, disrespecting troll such as yourself, VYBE. All your posts are cruel, disrespectful and hurtful towards woman. It is men like you, and i use that term loosely, that we screen ourselves against. You are poison and I can only wonder, after reading your posting history, how many woman you have been violent with and hurt in your past.

Being a woman, being an escort makes our lives incredibly difficult as it is, in our society. We deserve more respect than this!


Don't let the door hit you on the way out.:mad:
 

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Adriana✿;987574 said:
There is no room in our community for a woman hating, disrespecting troll such as yourself. All your posts are cruel, disrespectful and hurtful towards woman. It is men like you, and i use that term loosely, that we screen ourselves against. You are poison and I can only wonder, after reading your posting history, how many woman you have been violent with and hurt in your past.

Being a woman, being an escort makes our lives incredibly difficult as it is, in our society. We deserve more respect than this!


Don't let the door hit you on the way out.:mad:
Please don't denigrate Men by refering to these things that are vaguely male. Men like myself and the ones that I know enjoy and love women of all kinds. These guys are stunted growths.
 

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I am especially disturbed by the fact that he coaches a girls softball team. If the public doesn't care about "fallen women" like us, they will probably care about teenage girls. It might be worth mentioning the fact that he is in a position of authority over female minors.
Hey Holly -- was especially alarmed by this and wondered how you know for certain that this "Bill Russell" is the same person as the softball coach? Obviously you don't have to prove anything here but just hoping you know 100% for sure before levelling this kind of accusation.

Also, let's be careful here -- "Bill Russell" is a pretty common name ... I count 12 "Bill" or "B" Russells in the lower mainland from a quick online search, and that isn't even counting the "Williams" or "W"s. There are a lot of guys out there going by this name, and only one of them is a psycho.
 

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
i spoke to a reporter and indeed there are privacy issues.

so, instead of my press release going out, i suggested we do a "warning"....he is a journalist and i trust him to represent the situation better than i could. i sent what i wrote so he knew all the info i posted here and our edits and wanting it to be focused on the violent nature of the crime(strangling). i feel like it will get noticed if presented by an outisder and presented as a "warning" due to his apparent escalating ways...

it occured to me last night that since most experienced sp's are aware of him he has had to change tactics. he now cruises for inexperienced women/girls by posting in the adult gigs section of craigslist. i suggested to the reporter that because of his history a warning must go out in order to protect women/girls who want to "try this once" or just need some money but only want to see 1 client(sugar babies) or young women interested in entering the sex industry but unsure how to proceed...

his ads in the adult gigs section make him sound like a dream client to an anxious young woman who is at her most vulnerable contemplating entering the sex industry. he targets youg,new workers and offers a large sum of money$1200-1500...for some that may represent a fortune and they may fall into the trap. these workers do not have the knowledge and expertise of career workers like the lovely ladies here. they are not aware of bad client lists or security protocol.

he thought it was a good context and instead of naming him or listing adress,ph number etc- we described him and what kind of car he drives as well as that he operates mostly in surrey coquitlam.

the reporter also said he was searching court records/lists to see upcoming dates,etc so he could perhaps be identified-talked about- what is really necessary is for a victim to be willing to speak to the reporter. all victims of sexual assault have their identity protected by ethical reporters and as i stated before this guy is a supporter. he promised anonymity for any worker willing to speak with him. if anyone is willing, please send me a pm and i will forward you the reporters email.

i hope people think this is ok....our press release would have been re interpreted anyway and i feel as if we have more control of the out come this way.also i did send him our edited version so i guess we will wait and see...

i hope people feel that is a step forward on this problem. my hope is that surrey rcmp will be pressured into action by a public outcry "protect our girls!"...know what i mean? maybe in this context he will be considered a risk to public safety and get remanded until trial. i just want him locked up man....love to see news cameras chasing him when he goes to court.....

i think this will certainly get the attention of the public as now it relates to not only sex workers but to ALL young women...
 

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Thanks to information provided to us by one of our callers hoping to keep other women safe (Thanks!) We wanted to let you know about a new service available in Surrey for Bad Date Reporting, support and advocacy:

Starting February 1, 2010 the Surrey Women's Centre will be facilitating bad date reporting. Through a relationship with WISH we want to make sure information about predators is circulated.

We also:

Provide accompaniment 24/hrs to hospital or police for victims of domestic or sexual violence

Facilitate Third Party Reporting (report crimes to police, stay anonymous, profile predators)

Provide crisis and long-term counselling

Provide referrals and information

Accompaniment survivors to court, assist with Crime Victim Assistance applications and Victim Impact Statements

We are available by phone, appointment or drop-in

Announcing Bad Date Reporting in Surrey:

Protect yourself. If you have been assaulted, harassed or ripped-off by a date, call us anytime and tell us what happened.

We ask for details of the incident only. You don't have to give us information about yourself.

You can also call us for a list of bad dates.

A free and confidential service. (24 hours starts February 1, 2010)

604-583-1295
 

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Susi, I do not hate you...

that is nothing but inflammatory rhetoric aimed at inciting confrontation...

you are very passionate about your activism and that is to be commended...

the thing is, wherever there is politics there are politicians...

and politicians are never above manipulating facts to suit their cause...

that said...

continued success in your pursuits...
 
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@the Meat Market!!!lol
ok hunny!i get it!sorry.

as far as surrey women's center, THEY ROCK!! i would like to copy a post i made else where fo people to consider;

we contacted lynda malcom, VPD sex industry Liaison officer and forwarded info about mr.russell. she is very well connected to WISH as am i and the BCCEC ( BC Coalition of experiential communities- www.bccec.wordpress.com ) i am assuming as i mentioned it in a couple meetings this week too that people made some calls on our behalf and now surrey supports are ramping up.

the surrey women's center also have ties to the BCCEC through a program for street level workers in surrey called surrey girlz that was run by BCCEC members and admined(had it's home at) the surrey women's center. BCCEC members have also worked there as far as i know...

they are non judgemental and the reporting process is confidential unless you wish to persue charges no one will pressure you to. the project report and process designed by the BCCEC in partnership with victim services, sex workers support services, sex workers and police can be seen on the link listed above.

i think it's encouraging that surrey is waking up and going to do something to protect sex workers. i also think this is a testament to the impacts we can make when we take action as a community. the rcmp will be a different story but i have also made very clear that there seems to be a disconnect between best practices employed by VPD and tactics used/police attitudes throughout the lower mainland. we are hoping VPD will apply some pressure on other police departments and as they are fellow police persons they may actually see results....cops listen cops...know what i mean?

dealing with police carries risk but i think we have managed to create processes that can protect the identities and privacy of workers or pooners for that matter...we are working on confidential ways to report human trafficking/ exploitation of a person...but that's another post!!

if anyone has any question or concerns please feel free to ask me anything!!
IMHO- surrey women's center bad date sheet= good idea!!

there are plans to create a bad date data base that is searchable for police use only... we assume that violent consumers do not only target street workers but also migrate between sex idustry venues. by combining info about violent consumers, we hope to recognize repeat offenders and be able to stop their serial behaviour...make sense?

we also assume that violent consumers do not act out these crimes in only one city of the lower mainland. if we are to really put together a clear picture we need other municipal police forces and rcmp detacments in the lower mainland on board.

a new idea is emerging that there should be an intergrated sex industry task force type deal....so that different areas aren't working at opposite ways of addressing these issues. we need one over all stratgey employed throughout the lower mainland...stop closing exotic showlounges and brothels if you don't want to see workers on the street. if workers are on the street and need help treat them with dignity and help them access support...not arrest now ask questions later...

we are also calling for them to stop charging consumers, it doesn't help anyone to arrest the people who pay our bills/wages.

and community policing partnership car- the following is a brief description of that idea; we must find ways to "police" our industry that are less harmful;

Recently the targeting of Health Enhancement Centers and increased enforcement against Exotic Show Lounges has once again jeopardized the safety of Sex Industry Workers. Clear policies and procedures for engaging sex industry workers do not currently exist and Sex workers are generally treated like criminals.

This criminalization has lead to a culture of mistrust between the sex industry community and the VPD. Sex workers are reluctant to report violence against them for fear of being judged and sex workers also fear being seen as working with the police and having to face reprisal from the “street” community.

During the Living in Community Project” we learned that the majority of complaints coming from residents and business owners in communities affected by sex work are nuisance related and cost a lot in police resources.

Developing a community-VPD partnership that brings together both perspectives by hiring one experiential person ( victim services trained sex industry representative) and a police officer to focus on the common goal of safety could begin to bridge these issues of mistrust and ensure fair treatment and support of sex industry workers during VPD operations.


All over Canada, law enforcement seem to be stepping up attacks on our community. Raids in Halifax, Winnipeg, Barry, Calgary, North Bay Grand Prairie, Ottawa and Vancouver have left the indoor escort and massage community shaken. 20 show lounges in Vancouver have closed since 1990 and neighbouring Coquitlam have just passed a by-law outlawing “sundry” or “undesirable” business including massage parlours and exotic show lounges.

We know historically how the elimination of employment choices and safe work environments has slowly but surely whittled away at the safety and stability of the sex industry and its workers. The lack of job opportunities caused by enforcement against us is forcing people to choose sex industry work outside of their comfort zone and contributing to increasing numbers of workers forced into the dangerous street level trade.

Recent raids also revealed another risk to our safety and I quote “ It was like- bang crash- and I was on the ground…I looked up to see 5 guns pointed at my head, my husband also on the ground and my son….with a gun pointed at him”. My friend expressed that she looked up at one young “rookie” officer and thought “this is the guy who is going to kill me…”

a community policing partnership are could employ a more soft approach to "policing" our industry, rather that the raids, guns drawn, down on the floor, the community policing team could go in with harm reduction supplies, take bad date reports, share info on bad dates talk to people, witness working conditions and asses whether a business was ethical or not....

anyway all in the works but not quite there yet!

any comments etc,welcome!!

love susie

Sex Industry Workers and the VPD have been working together in the newly formed, first of it’s kind in Canada, Sex Industry Worker Safety Action Group. The group has agreed on the following goals for the Community Policing Partnership Car Project.

Goals

• To provide specialized sex industry specific policing resources for victimized sex industry workers

• To connect sex industry workers to support services and organizations

• To build alternative strategies and best practices for police and communities to better cope with ancillary issues arising from the sex industry

• To consider the collateral impact on a case-by-case basis on strategies employed by the VPD when engaging sex industry workers.

• To work with residents and business owners in communities impacted by sex work to resolve their concerns


Expected Outcomes

Sex Industry Workers

1. Decreased numbers of assaults on sex industry workers

2. Increased feelings of safety for sex industry workers

3. Increased trust and understanding between the VPD and sex industry community

4. Higher numbers of Sex Industry Workers reporting violence against them.

5. Increased numbers of sex workers accessing support services

Systematic Outcomes

1. -gaps in services for sex workers identified and a more complete approach to support implemented.

2. -Reduction in work load related to sex industry complaints for police officers engaged in regular police operational duties.

3. Improved strategies to minimize unintended negative consequences to sex industry workers from police enforcement

4. -Increased involvement in prevention programs

5. -Increased understanding of best practices for engaging the sex worker community



Design Phase -

o Establish the SIWSAG committee as a steering committee

o Assign one police officer to the project

o Hire one sex industry worker consultant

o Design the program collaboratively

Both the police experience and the sex worker experience bring important information to the development of the pilot and inclusion of both will help to prevent any omissions or potential problems.
 
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susi

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
i will just say, when i say "police" our industry....

all industries are subject to government regulation and safety inspections. a person who works in a factory is protected from dangerous working conditions by inspectors and safety training.

the sex industry can expect the same.

while we want to be removed from the criminal code that does not excuse us from accountability. thus the industry association plans we have been promoting , the occupational health and safety training we designed and our push to be included in any future actions towards safety and stability in the sex industry.

we need to be protected by labour law, not criminal law.

www.tradesecretsguide.blogspot.com
www.wccsip.ca - under resources-"labout on the margins" and under partners- CAEC - sex industry association

i am getting the impression that these ideas are catching on with in mainstream systems, i hope people still feel comfortable with the ideas we ave discussed here before.
 

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If he's beaten til he's a bed-ridden vegetable then he won't hurt anyone again. Just sayin'...
...and that's when the cops will step in. We can't have a predator hurt now can we? How will he keep going until he kills somebody if the cops did their job? Seriously, these guys need to be protected until the cops are forced into actually working after they get tired of tripping over bodies.
 

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By the way, you can also sue him personally for assault.

It's a civil tort.

Also, you can bring a private prosecution against him.

You will need a lawyer to do either of these things, they will be painfully slow, but they will work in due course.

Why wait until someone has been killed? If all the ladies that have been assaulted by this fuck bring private prosecutions, someone in power will notice. Also, they will look like utter and complete shit when someone is killed and they have done nothing (because it will be on the record).

I don't know who you call for private prosecutions, but they can be done (essentially this is a privately brought criminal charge). Call the BC law society for a referral to a criminal lawyer.

Someone knows.

Stop this asshole before it is too late. The last thing the world needs is one more dead woman killed because of a misogynist prick.
 

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Vigilante action is dangerous on many levels and encouraging it may not be helpful.

I expect a private prosecution starts when you go to the courthouse and ask to lay an information before a justice of the peace. It may be that simple. The clerks will scramble around and complain that you should have a lawyer but at the end of the day they probably have to help you fill out the papers so you can lay the information.

Concerning the comment "I reported him to the police and all they said was, "guess it's part of the job". I suggest that laying formal complaints against any officer that says or does anything of this sort would be helpful. I understand that if there are no witnesses to this sort of abusive behaviour by the police then there can be little hope for a concrete response from the police department. Despite this I believe filing the complaint and forcing the officers to explain themselves will have value. If you want respect you have to demand it whenever it is denied.

If the published article highlights the lack of police response the police should be motivted to act.
 
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