best places in vancouver to view a decent lineup, if any?

[lenny]

I thought about MPs, but I thought they were staffed by mostly Asian girls. While I'm attracted to some Asian girls, they aren't my preference.

When i went to Mme Cleos they had a totally non Asian lineup. If there's nothing like that around anymore then Bill Gates should set one up and fill a void that is sadly lacking and in demand in the market, to make a fortune. Perhaps the boys in the MP section here would be willing to share their inside info with you, if something like that still exists, absolutely free.

 

[derkdiggler]

Lenny we appear to have different sources for our info, not to say one is wrong or right.
What I've found is Asia is in the top 4-5 continents for HIV while Europe is at the bottom end
of the scale. This info is 2003, from what I know its only gotten worse.

New HIV infections from a leading source
150,000 - 270,000 new cases of infections for Asia
30,000 - 40,000 for Europe

Hope you can see the images below

While you're obviously a hardcore Thailand lover, it just did not work for me. No mistake, no small sampling errors or lack of anything on my end. Sorry but you weren't there
so assuming perhaps there was some error on my part or someone does not change my experience. I can at least say "I went and saw, did and tried it" which means a alot
more than posting other people's opinions while never having been to a place. I mean if you're going to compare Germany then you need to go there.

Your mileage may vary with what people post about experiences for paid sex on the internet, I've found this to be true.
I never saw so many strange and odd (non-Thai) people walking around looking for sex as in Thailand. Seems like since its
so cheap the lowest form of human goes their for cheap sex. The obvious dirty old, perverted men were everywhere. Yes
guys its that cheap that you can live there on your retirement check. If that's what you're into.

You can buy anything in Thailand and they copy everything
from Rolex watches to a girls ID card which shows she is 18 years old. Scary... Almost anything you can counterfeit can
be found on every street corner.

While YES many things happen and there are stats about a countries crime rate fact is 3rd world countries will always be more dangerous then
a western country. Bomb threats are not what I was talking about those happen in the US. I mean people actually getting killed
like that huge event that took place at Thailand's airports not too long ago. Comparing Thailand to Germany per safety is like comparing
the US to Mexico. There is no comparison, not even going to go there.

So how many actual days have you spent in Thailand? You said you only just started going a few years ago? Where did you go
before, sounds like you'd be lost without Thailand. Don't knock a country until you've actually visited yourself. Sort of like me
telling you about Germany and having never visited (makes no sense). Try it you might like it.

Oh yes I like spending the day at a club in Germany, that was not my point. I don't go to these places to date the women, spend
several days (as if a paid girl is in love with me and not my money). I think you miss my points often. This is not my life, its a vacation
for a day or several days but its about the sex, with a variety of women, not marriage or staring a relationship with a working girl.

 

[lenny]

I can at least say "I went and saw, did and tried it" which means a alot
more than posting other people's opinions while never having been to a place. I mean if you're going to compare Germany then you need to go there.

Your approach is "The smart guys will try all the places and decide on their own." My approach is there are many smart guys who've been to these places already and have posted their many experiences on the internet. Rather than going to "all the places" to learn by hard knocks what best suits me, and wasting a lot of time and money, i'd rather learn from veteran sex tourists, avoid repeating their mistakes and maximize the fun times ASAP, not years down the road. By doing your homework you might have avoided wasting your time in Thailand, just as i will save myself the trouble of trying out places like Vietnam, PI, and probably Germany, too.

Your mileage may vary with what people post about experiences for paid sex on the internet, I've found this to be true.
I never saw so many strange and odd (non-Thai) people walking around looking for sex as in Thailand. Seems like since its
so cheap the lowest form of human goes their for cheap sex. The obvious dirty old, perverted men were everywhere. Yes
guys its that cheap that you can live there on your retirement check. If that's what you're into.

I'm sure there are no "old, perverted" types in Germany. So a person is automaticly a "lowest form of human" type because he prefers or can only afford "cheap sex"? IMO i'd get way more "bang for my buck" in Asia than Europe. Why would i want to flush many tens of thousands of dollars down the toilet by going to Germany instead?

http://www.aegis.com/news/re/2004/RE041138.html
http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2010/08/27/german-hiv-infected-pop-star-given-suspended-sentence/
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/201...-trial-for-sex-with-Thai-child--30143915.html

"As more German tourists come to Thailand than from any other European country, and as a large number of Germans has settled in Thailand, one finds a good number of authentic German restaurants in Bangkok."
http://www.cockatoo.com/english/thailand/thailand_german_cuisine.htm

You can buy anything in Thailand and they copy everything
from Rolex watches to a girls ID card which shows she is 18 years old. Scary... Almost anything you can counterfeit can
be found on every street corner.

Yeah, lots of good shopping in LOS.

http://thailandquestions.com/thai-nightlife-and-entertainment/counterfeit-shopping-in-bangkok.htm

While YES many things happen and there are stats about a countries crime rate fact is 3rd world countries will always be more dangerous then
a western country.

I feel just as safe in Thailand as in Canada. I doubt Germany is safer than Vanouver.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110105095122AAPYKw4
http://www.gadling.com/2008/01/08/canadian-man-shot-and-killed-in-thailand/

Bomb threats are not what I was talking about those happen in the US. I mean people actually getting killed
like that huge event that took place at Thailand's airports not too long ago. Comparing Thailand to Germany per safety is like comparing
the US to Mexico. There is no comparison, not even going to go there.

I'll stand by my opinion that Thailand is as safe as Canada or Germany. Re bombs, what i posted earlier in this thread about what happened in Germany was not a mere bomb threat but an actual bomb or bombs that would have killed hundreds w/o a mechanical failure. Bombings in Thailand are issues between Thais and not directed at foreigners.

So how many actual days have you spent in Thailand? You said you only just started going a few years ago? Where did you go
before, sounds like you'd be lost without Thailand. Don't knock a country until you've actually visited yourself. Sort of like me
telling you about Germany and having never visited (makes no sense). Try it you might like it.

Based on things like your 5 point list, my own personal preferences re women, plus all the advantages of familiarity, etc, i don't feel the need to go and try it elsewhere. It gets better every year, and even with the first visit i had the time of my life. Although if my research ever finds a place as suitable, or Thailand was ruled out of the picture, then i would probably be considering other locations, such as in South America, China and Germany.

OK so all added up where is the best place
1. Selection (different races, ages, sizes, countries)
2. Price
3. Cost effective (total price of experience, getting there, time to get there, prices once there).
4. Safety (Crime, disease, rip off )
5. Quality of service (do they CIM, DFK, BBBJ and overall the service.

Oh yes I like spending the day at a club in Germany, that was not my point. I don't go to these places to date the women, spend
several days (as if a paid girl is in love with me and not my money). I think you miss my points often. This is not my life, its a vacation
for a day or several days but its about the sex, with a variety of women, not marriage or staring a relationship with a working girl.

I get that. Though when i go abroad it's for months at a time. To travel half way around the world to spend only a day or a few would be like burning up my wallet full of cash. I couldn't justify it.

 

[87112]

First off, all this crime stuff is completely media hyped. You read this country is not safe and get it spreads like wildfire cause online sites needs your eyes to see their ads. I was among the sheep to believe that Russia was not safe and when I went there Nothing could be further from the truth. I would confidence would walk around Moscow or St. Petersburg at night pretty much anywhere 24/7. I cant believe I fell for that Russia mafia, Russia xenophbia crap. So for you guys thinking Germany or Thailand is not safe, give it a rest and realize people need to write about overhyped Bullshit to get your to read the article. Just grab your passport and go.

 

[derkdiggler]

You keep changing what is said and putting your own spin on statements, this adds to confusion. Fact and point is, personally going to a country YOURSELF is always the best way to determine if it suits you. Researching a place before you go is always a good idea, but never replaces going yourself. We don't really know who the SMART guys and dumb guys are. If you have not noticed the internet is often used for hype and promotion not the truth.

You said "By doing your homework you might have avoided wasting your time in Thailand" Why can't you just accept some people don't care for Thailand? People do their homework and I did not waste my time. You ASSUME and make an ASS out of U and ME with those assumptions. Give it up, you love Thailand, its perfect for you. I accept that and don't take away from that with (possible reasons why you're wrong). You miss my point almost every time. You need to let people share their experience instead of getting so defensive about anything that might burst your bubble about Thailand. You always ignore or fail to respond to anything that I state which you can't contest. You can keep learning from people on the internet who use fake handles that you don't know, that's your option. Everyone said the world was flat UNTIL some people personally went and discovered the truth. Just like a previous poster stated there's alot of hype on the internet.

I said I saw alot of odd or weird looking people in Thailand (especially around the sex areas) I did not say everyone was the lowest form of human. Lets see, Bangkok is known world wide for what? SEX? Probably the most well known prostitution destination in the world. CHEAP, one of the cheapest yes, OK so PI and other poverty ridden countries its even cheaper. Desperation does have something to do with it. Perhaps you think the women are with you for your good looks? You did not comment about why they are with you? Yes you are correct many of Germany's lowest forms of humans know its cheaper to go to Thailand and they can do things there they can't do in Germany. I agree with you. Thank you for supporting that all the bad Germans have immigrated to Thailand, now it is fact.

You ignore my counterfeiting claim which I believe means you agree. Its easy to get false ID cards in Thailand and false doctors examines. So visitors need to take care they are not with a 15 year old or a woman who claims to have been to a doctor but has not. Since its cheaper to buy a fake health card then a real one. You agreed you said "Yeah, lots of good shopping in LOS." So you agree

Yes I feel safe too, oh as far as if YOU were arrested in Thailand or you got HIV in Thailand "If that were true it would be all over the internet". Well lets think about that, if you were arrested in Thailand would you want everyone to know? I mean is that really what you would do is get on the internet and give you name, town and info and say "Hey everyone I was arrested for prostitution in Thailand"? Sorry don't think so, I would not do that even if it were legal. Plus HIV if you told everyone you basically end your life so most people hide the fact they don't broadcast it. Now the Thai media is controlled heavily by people who make the money and they don't want the world to think Thailand is unsafe as far as arrests and HIV so they are not going to put it all on the internet either.

Yes they found (a) bomb but no one was injured, they find bombs in the USA all the time. I was talking about REAL DEATHS such as these events in the last 10 years

This is actual FACT
2003 February - Controversial crackdown on drugs starts; more than 2,000 suspects are killed by late April. The government blames many killings on criminal gangs; rights groups say extra-judicial killings were encouraged by the authorities.

2004 January-March - More than 100 are killed in a wave of attacks in the largely-Muslim south. The government blames Islamic militants. Martial law is imposed.

2004 April - More than 100 suspected Islamic insurgents are killed after launching coordinated dawn attacks on police bases in the south.

2004 October - 85 Muslim protesters die, many from suffocation, while in army custody following violence at a rally in the south. An enquiry concludes that they were not killed deliberately.

2004 December - Thousands of people are killed when massive waves, caused by a powerful undersea earthquake off the Indonesian coast, devastate communities on the south-west coast, including the resort of Phuket.

Sorry but while a volcano did affect air traffic in Germany, I don't recall any such events as above taking place in Germany.

2005 July - As violent unrest continues in the south, Prime Minister Thaksin is given new powers to counter suspected Muslim militants in the region. In November the death toll in violence since January 2004 tops 1,000.

2005 October - Thailand redoubles efforts to fight bird flu as fresh outbreaks of the disease are reported.

2006 August - Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra accuses several army officers of plotting to kill him after police find a car containing bomb-making materials near his house.

2006 September - Six simultaneous motorcycle bombs kill three people and wound more than 60 on a busy street in the southern town of Hat Yai.

2006 31 December - Series of bomb blasts in Bangkok kills three people. No-one claims responsibility. (Imagine that a bomb that actually goes OFF and kills people) no its very safe in Thailand (if you were not affected)

2007 January - Martial law is lifted in more than half of the country. (Did Germany have Martial law in the last 20 years? Nope)

2008 September - State of emergency declared in Bangkok after thousands of pro- and anti-government demonstrators clash in the city. The clashes followed a week of mass protests calling for the resignation of Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej, and the occupation by protesters of Bangkok's main government complex.

2008 October - Sixteen killed and hundreds injured in Thailand's worst anti-government protests in 16 years.
Thai troops shoot dead two Cambodian soldiers in an exchange of fire on the disputed stretch of the two countries' border, near the Preah Vihear temple.
Thai Supreme Court gives fugitive former PM Thaksin Shinawatra a two-year jail sentence after finding him guilty of corruption over a land deal.

2008 November - Opposition People's Alliance for Democracy rallies tens of thousands for protest around parliament building in Bangkok in "final battle" to topple the government.
Flights from Thailand's main airports are suspended after anti-government protesters blockade terminal buildings. Thousands of foreign visitors are left stranded. 1000's are stranded not by act of nature but a battle to topple.

2009 April - Continuing unrest forces the cancellation of an ASEAN summit after anti-government protesters storm the summit venue in the resort of Pattaya.
PM Abhisit Vejjajiva declares a state of emergency and moves troops into Bangkok to end an opposition protest sit-in. Over 120 people injured in resulting clashes. Emergency lifted on 24 April.

2009 June - The Thai army denies possibility for an attack on a mosque in Narathiwat in the south, in which at least 10 people died. Most observers accused Islamist militants, but some locals suspect army involvement.

Lenny I know you'll have excuses for all of the above, fact is NOTHING like the above happens anywhere in, around or near Germany. I noticed you did not dispute the fact that Thailand has over double the HIV of Europe not just Germany. Fact is some of the info above supports that HIV is out of control in Thailand since the people are so poor they can't even think about buying drugs.

Our disagreement about Thailand is actually common on the internet, Thailand may have dyed blonds, a few non-Thai's and Thais that don't look like Thai's. The point is THEY BASICALLY ONLY HAVE THAI OR ASIANS. They can't compete with the true variety of Germany.

You still fail to answer HOW MANY TOTAL DAYS have you actually visited in Thailand? This would shed light on perhaps your chances of experiencing things that do happen. As much info as you post you leave a whole bunch of questions untouched and constantly mis-state my posts and what I said. Enough already with the, maybe you did not do your homework, you made mistakes, you were unlucky bullshit. Accept it someone does not agree with your beloved Thailand.

I know people who love the place, BUT they don't pretend things don't happen. In fact these are actual people not posters I can speak to face to face about it. There are people who enjoy Germany AND Thailand since they know both countries have their merits. I'll be the first to agree Germany prices have gone up which is bad. I won't candy coat the fact. When it gets too high I won't go.

It comes down to this:
1. Selection (different races, ages, sizes, countries) THAILAND FALLS SHORT
2. Price THAILAND IS AHEAD
3. Cost effective (total price of experience, getting there, time to get there, prices once there). 20 hours flight time ONE WAY, Germany is double the price per session
4. Safety (Crime, disease, rip off ) SEE ABOVE EVENTS OF LAST 10 YEARS
5. Quality of service (do they CIM, DFK, BBBJ and overall the service. See internet and visit in person to decide, In Thailand remember to ask "do you smoke" that means give head, plus consider doing things without a condom.

I've found tons of stats on HIV for Thailand, but since you did not address my previous post I assume you can't contest that either.

Finally WHY would Germans go to Thailand instead of staying home? Price, what they can do in Thailand and can't in Germany? and they like Asians. ASIANS is the biggest clue, if you like that there is no mistake, no homework to do, no you were not with experts etc. Its obvious if you like Asians go to Thailand. I hear ya Lenny. Lets just not mislead people, "going IS KNOWING not knowing someone who goes".

 

[subtlestylez]

To the OP, is there a Perb version in the US? Or is this hobby completely illegal in the US?

As a resident of the northwestern United States, I can no longer justify to myself the cost of air fare and hotel reservations for the sake of purchasing the services of legal escorts in Vancouver. Given that the first two escorts that I had ever been with were beautiful and provided excellent service(both from Carmen Fox), I thought I had discovered a simple and bullshit-free method of having sex with women that come close to meeting my physical ideal. The third girl, however, was in Victoria (Seduction Unlimited), and although she got positive reviews here, I was horrified by her appearance and had to turn her away -- she looked like a tweaker. I figured that Victoria didn't have enough money in it to keep pretty girls employed there, and decided to stick to larger cities like Vancouver and specifically Carmen Fox, as they made me happy the first two times. However, the next two girls that Carmen Fox weren't as pretty as I had hoped. The first was okay, but didn't merit the cost of the trip for me, and I turned the last away because I wasn't attracted to her at all (although she wasn't bad looking in the way the Victoria girl was).

I'm considering giving up on this hobby because it is apparently not as simple as I thought. Quite the opposite, it's more like gambling -- I just happened to draw two really good hands during my first two tries. I'd be able to accept this level of risk if I actually lived in Vancouver, but the cost of visiting a city that's already lost its novelty to me after visiting a few times is just too high if I can't get some sort of guarantee.

I might be able to get around this if there are good options for viewing a lineup of at least 4-5 women, selecting what I want, and freely leaving without paying anything if I don't like what I see. I prefer a place that's close to downtown, doesn't require driving, and that employs Caucasian and Eurasian girls. I'm not sure if Vancouver even offers this possibility -- I might have to go to Prague or Amsterdam for something like that, although I could only do that sort of trip about once a year. Basically, physical beauty is my thing -- I have to have some guarantee of accessing the services of a girl as hot as the MetArt'esque Russian escort that was my first experience, or the trip just isn't worth making. If anybody can tell me what my options are, I'd would be much obliged.

 

[lenny]

You said "By doing your homework you might have avoided wasting your time in Thailand" Why can't you just accept some people don't care for Thailand?

What makes you think otherwise? If you will review this topic, i was the one who introduced
German FKK's and suggested them to the OP with a link to a site. What does that tell you?
Then within hours of my post you showed up for your first ever post on PERB, touting the
exact same FKK site.

You can keep learning from people on the internet who use fake handles that you don't know, that's your option.

That's the point of SP review sites like this one. If a guy does his homework he can improve his chances of a successful session. The same idea applies to locations abroad for the purpose of sex tourism.

I'd take the views of 10 online seasoned pooners over a guy i know who's only been to a place once. In fact i know a few guys who've been to Siam and had little to offer except they loved it.

Perhaps you think the women are with you for your good looks? You did not comment about why they are with you?

This sounds like questions for a beginner who has never seen or heard of prostitutes.

Yes you are correct many of Germany's lowest forms of humans know its cheaper to go to Thailand and they can do things there they can't do in Germany. I agree with you. Thank you for supporting that all the bad Germans have immigrated to Thailand, now it is fact.

LOL. So the ones who stay in the Fatherland visiting FKK's are superior beings? Or is it that they can't afford the airfare to travel so far, or they have a fear of foreign countries and flying? I could see many possible reasons why a guy could not or would not want to get too far away from his mommy. Not being able to speak English, for example.

Its easy to get false ID cards in Thailand and false doctors examines. So visitors need to take care they are not with a 15 year old or a woman who claims to have been to a doctor but has not. Since its cheaper to buy a fake health card then a real one.

I don't know if i'd say it's easy, but i believe it is possible. It is also possible to get fake ID in Western countries though i suggest it rarely occurs anywhere in the world.

Of course it would be foolish to believe a stranger who "claims" she's "been to a doctor" and has tested negative for STIs. Better to take her to an accredited clinic or world class hospital and see the test results yourself.

If a prostitute in Thailand, Germany or anywhere looks like she might be too young, or you don't trust her ID which says otherwise, there is a simple solution. Walk away. Alternately one could take a photo of the ID as evidence in case she was being deceitful.

as far as if YOU were arrested in Thailand or you got HIV in Thailand "If that were true it would be all over the internet". Well lets think about that, if you were arrested in Thailand would you want everyone to know? I mean is that really what you would do is get on the internet and give you name, town and info and say "Hey everyone I was arrested for prostitution in Thailand"? Sorry don't think so, I would not do that even if it were legal.

Re HIV, people do in fact speak up online about getting HIV infected.

I'd definitely plaster my story all over the internet. Why worry about doing this on anonymous forums? As the news spread it would soon be on dozens of popular online discussion sites about Thailand, informing and warning others of the danger. But it seems we haven't even heard a peep from these guys you allegedly know. In fact, we've barely heard a peep from you about the story. Why haven't you told it, in all its gory details? Tell us the "stories" of how these guys were arrested and imprisoned for nothing other than prostitution charges with an adult Thai hooker in Thailand. In fact if anyone has heard of this ever happening to anyone, i'd love to hear about it. With millions of tourists going there every year, it seems unlikely that if it were happening you are the only one who knows anyone it has happened to, don't you agree?

What i suggest might be a more likely scenario is that i went to a site about FKKs in Germany and posted a link to it here in this thread. Shortly thereafter you showed up touting this same site. Consequently it would be better for such a FKK business if Thailand was falsely accused by an imaginary story. How convenient that it cannot be verified or proven false.

If i were touting gogos in Thailand i might have countered with some horror stories about German FKKs that some guys i know experienced, but are too afraid to talk about online. Of course they wouldn't have any friends or people who know them to tell their story for them either.

Furthermore the whole idea of this made up story flies in the face of what i posted earlier:

"The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, B.E. 2539 (1996) (the “Prostitution Law”), is the central legal framework prohibiting prostitution. The law defines prostitution as any act done to gratify the sexual desire of another in exchange for money or any other benefit, but only if it is done “in a promiscuous manner”. The Prostitution Law does not define what exactly a “promiscuous manner” constitutes, and the act of prostitution by itself is not outlawed anymore, while solicitation is. The crime of solicitation is vaguely defined.

"A person soliciting the services of a prostitute is liable under the Prostitution Law if the solicitation is done “openly and shamelessly or causes a nuisance to the public”, the penalty being a fine of up to 1,000 baht.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand#Legal_situation_and_history

Of course it's also going to be better for business if people try a place [like FKKs] out rather than using their intelligence to research the matter and possibly rule it out on that basis.

Yes they found (a) bomb but no one was injured, they find bombs in the USA all the time. I was talking about REAL DEATHS such as these events in the last 10 years

I think it's likely real deaths occur in Germany, too, but what do i know.

"The victims generally fall into three categories, the reporters said: the homeless or drunkards, left-wing youth or punks and foreigners who stand out as not being German "because of the color of their skin."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,717800,00.html
http://www.euronews.net/2011/08/31/kosovar-albanian-admits-us-murders-in-germany/
http://www.mafia-news.com/expert-says-mafia-murders-pose-new-risks-in-germany/

•We advise you to exercise caution and monitor developments that might affect your safety in Germany because of the risk of terrorist attack.
•The German Government continues to express concern about possible security risks in Germany and maintains heightened security measures around the country, including at airports and major train stations.
•In 2010 and 2011, the US Government warned its citizens of the potential for terrorist attacks in Europe, including on public transport and tourist infrastructure. A number of terrorist attacks on passenger railway systems, aviation interests, including passenger terminals, and other places frequented by travellers have occurred in Europe. In recent years these types of attacks have occurred in Moscow, London, Madrid and Glasgow. In addition, a number of planned attacks have been disrupted by European security services recently, underscoring the continuing interest of terrorists in attacking such locations.

http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/Germany
http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-living-abroad/travel-advice-by-country/europe/germany

If you're a sex tourist travelling to Thailand are you going to the Southern areas where many of the deaths you listed occurred? That's extremely unlikely, as almost all sex tourists go to places like Bangkok, Pattaya and Chang Mai. So i don't see the relevance of listing those deaths under this topic.

Further, government travel advisories warn tourists to stay out of certain areas. Similarly there have been warnings for tourists of colour to stay out of various areas of Germany, as i posted before.

Moreover, these deaths in the south are issues between Thais and they are the ones being targeted, not foreigners from other countries. I don't know who the Germany train bomb was targeting or if any tourists would have been killed amongst the hundreds who would have died in that incident.

2004 December - Thousands of people are killed when massive waves, caused by a powerful undersea earthquake off the Indonesian coast, devastate communities on the south-west coast, including the resort of Phuket.

Sorry but while a volcano did affect air traffic in Germany, I don't recall any such events as above taking place in Germany.

As a sex tourist to Thailand, if one is worried about this occurring again, go elsewhere in the country. Phucket is quite a small mongering location, anyway.

"Fortunately there is little chance that another Phuket tsunami disaster will occur. Please remember that it was the first time that a tsunami ever occurred on Phuket. In case there would ever be a danger of another Phuket tsunami event, measures have been put into place to avoid another tsunami tragedy."

http://www.phuketlist.com/guide/phuket_tsunami

"There is a chance for a devastating tsunami in San Francisco too but I'd say that in Phuket is a bit higher."

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080420221301AAoXzfA

"Chances of one happening again...virtually zero in your lifetime. Before the 2004 one there hadn't been one that affected Thailand for 80 years."

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"What will be will be, be it a tsunami, a plane crash, your tuk tuk might roll over, could get stabbed by a ladyboy. Jesus Iv'e scared myself now, that;s it I'm not going."

"Dont worry just plan your holiday and plan to enjoy it. Did I mention getting crushed by an elephant????"

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"... the risk is no bigger than in a lot of other places in the world.

"The biggest risk here: the traffic, and getting hit by a coconut."

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"I would say there is a greater chance of dying in the plane to the island."

http://www.tripadvisor.ca/ShowTopic-g293920-i5037-k2037863-Tsunami_risk-Phuket.html

2006 August - Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra accuses several army officers of plotting to kill him after police find a car containing bomb-making materials near his house.

2007 January - Martial law is lifted in more than half of the country. (Did Germany have Martial law in the last 20 years? Nope)

2008 September - State of emergency declared in Bangkok after thousands of pro- and anti-government demonstrators clash in the city. The clashes followed a week of mass protests calling for the resignation of Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej, and the occupation by protesters of Bangkok's main government complex.

2009 April - Continuing unrest forces the cancellation of an ASEAN summit after anti-government protesters storm the summit venue in the resort of Pattaya.
PM Abhisit Vejjajiva declares a state of emergency and moves troops into Bangkok to end an opposition protest sit-in.

Those mongers who have done their homework and know Thailand are aware that their politics is a constant soap opera that has little if any effect on them. They just laugh at it and carry on with their lives banging hot TGs. Tanks can be rolling down the streets or a coup may be in progress, yet for the average joe thai and in the red light tourist areas it's business as usual.

"Thailand has a past of turbulence and turmoil. It has witnessed at least 10 successful coups and 7 abortive attempts even before military forces seized power on September 19, 2006 dismissing Prime Minister Thaksin Sinawatra’s government..."

http://zeenews.india.com/news/archives/history-of-military-coups-in-thailand_324005.html
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Specials/20060919/thailand_coups_060919/

"In our uncertain and unpredictable world, there are few things we can rely on. But Thailand’s military, reassuringly, always tends to behave in accordance with a few simple and easy-to-understand rules.

"For one thing, we can generally assume with a high degree of certainty that at any time, some group of disgruntled and ambitious Thai military officers is plotting a coup. In the 80 years since Thailand abolished absolute monarchy and began tentative steps towards democracy, the military has launched 18 coups - some successful, some not. The military is far less enthusiastic when it comes to inconvenient distractions like having to defend the country from external threats."

"...Such is the enthusiasm for coups among the country’s armed forces that they have even been known to launch a military takeover of a government they were already in charge of..."

http://blogs.reuters.com/andrew-marshall/2011/04/06/coups-in-thailand-never-say-never/
http://www.zenjournalist.com/2011/04/coups-in-thailand-never-say-never/

2008 October - Sixteen killed and hundreds injured in Thailand's worst anti-government protests in 16 years.
Thai troops shoot dead two Cambodian soldiers in an exchange of fire on the disputed stretch of the two countries' border, near the Preah Vihear temple.
Thai Supreme Court gives fugitive former PM Thaksin Shinawatra a two-year jail sentence after finding him guilty of corruption over a land deal.

2008 November - Opposition People's Alliance for Democracy rallies tens of thousands for protest around parliament building in Bangkok in "final battle" to topple the government.
Flights from Thailand's main airports are suspended after anti-government protesters blockade terminal buildings. Thousands of foreign visitors are left stranded. 1000's are stranded not by act of nature but a battle to topple.

Once again more Thai political navel gazing that has little effect on mongering there. These type of incidents you posted have scared many people away from travelling to Siam. That means all the better mongering for those still going, which may be in the millions.

Lenny I know you'll have excuses for all of the above, fact is NOTHING like the above happens anywhere in, around or near Germany.

The thing is [without detailing bomb dangers, racist murders, and so forth in Germany], the news items you mentioned are more or less irrelevant to the safety of foreigners travelling to and picking up prostitutes in LOS.

Our disagreement about Thailand is actually common on the internet, Thailand may have dyed blonds, a few non-Thai's and Thais that don't look like Thai's. The point is THEY BASICALLY ONLY HAVE THAI OR ASIANS. They can't compete with the true variety of Germany.

Thailand has much greater variety when it comes to Thai ladies, obviously. And if a guy wants some white skinned, Euro, or Russian pussy, that is easily obtainable also. But go ahead, tell me in detail what German FKK's have that Thailand doesn't.

 

[Umbras]

Holy fucking hijacked thread!!

 

[badbadboy]

Holy fucking hijacked thread!!

No shit ound:

Lenny, you sure have a lot of time to post stuff. Glad you feel passionate about it.

 

[FunSugarDaddy]

Why doesn't the OP just tell the fine people at Carmen Fox what he likes and ask them if he would allow him to have his choice of ladies when he arrives. Surely they could accomodate that request. The other alternative is to keep booking the same lady every time you come here.

 

[derkdiggler]

Lenny, Why is it you won't post exactly how many days you've spent in Thailand?

I'm not sure what you're expecting, this was suppose to be an exchange of info, comparing places that had line ups etc. I do recall your long, drawn out reponses promoting Thailand with many photos of women that look Thai. I guess I will never understand your position about how Thailand has more variety, Asian is Asian (where is the variety in that).

I agree with the last few posters, this thread has gone out of control. You're great at making what ever you want into something totally different. Moral of the story "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder":clap2: There are many places in the world to visit and have fun, they all have negatives and positives. Some people can't see the forest for the trees, I guess this is why they never try something else. Shall we talk about Nevada (but not compare it to Thailand). I personally prefer to judge people and places first hand by going there NOT by what someone I don't know posts on the internet. Even children or promoters can be on the other end of a keyboard.

Original question: BY Pacnwus "best places in vancouver to view a decent lineup, if any?"

MY POINT WAS AND IS:

My response and answer:
My point was a place where women mingle with the men (women are totally nude) thus no pressure
sort of line up where men can mingle with up to 100 women at one time. No clothing hiding anything, normal day light conditions
at times, relaxed food, drink and one cover charge to enter this sort of brothel, resort etc. Women from every continent, size, shape
and ethnic background. Safe and 100% Legal, not illegal but tolerated thang. More details at http://www.fkktour.com
Germany by the way is as short as 7-8 hours non-stop from the East coast about $500-800

Some people have just too much time on their hands, which is another sign......sorry guys did not mean this to be a waste of anyone's time.

 

[lenny]

Lenny, Why is it you won't post exactly how many days you've spent in Thailand?

Firstly, i asked you how long you were there and you never answered. It was only after that that you asked me. So it would be the polite thing for you to answer first.

Secondly i did tell you, twice, how long i've been there, namely 2 years. I trust you can convert that into days.

post 36 - "how long were you there"
post 36 and 40 - 2 years
"I've spent about 2 years total since 07"
"I've only spent 2 years there since 07"
post 45 - "So how many actual days have you spent in Thailand? You said you only just started going a few years ago?
post 48 - "You still fail to answer HOW MANY TOTAL DAYS have you actually visited in Thailand? This would shed light on perhaps your chances of experiencing things that do happen.
post 54 - "Lenny, Why is it you won't post exactly how many days you've spent in Thailand?

So when and how long were you in Thailand?

I'm not sure what you're expecting, this was suppose to be an exchange of info, comparing places that had line ups etc.

It has been an exchange of info, misinfo, alleged stories, and cheap entertainment.

I guess I will never understand your position about how Thailand has more variety, Asian is Asian (where is the variety in that).

Why do you post so much misinformation? Here's what i actually said:

"Thailand has much greater variety when it comes to Thai ladies, obviously. And if a guy wants some white skinned, Euro, or Russian pussy, that is easily obtainable also."

Also African girls in BKK are easy to find, though i'd avoid that pussy for several reasons.
There are even reports of P4P ladies there who are S. American, Azeri, German, etc

Yes, "Asian is Asian", like "European is European". Where is the variety in the latter.

The variety in Asian women is that no two of them look the same and there are differences from country to country. In Asia you can find hookers from all over the world.

I agree with the last few posters, this thread has gone out of control.

I question if those guys even read the whole thread.

It seeems the OP has found what he was looking for and left the theatre. In any case,
he didn't respond to my post number 44 or another members [#53] re his initial query.
Moreover his expressed interest was in lineups, which included the possibility of travelling
to Europe and SE Asia, and a desire for various types of beautiful ladies, including Eurasians
and Russians. This naturally led to a discussion with him re German FKK as well as Thai
lineups and other possibilities there. From that evolved a discussion comparing sex tourism
to those 2 nations.

You're great at making what ever you want into something totally different.

I must be a magician...you got any examples of it?

Moral of the story "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

Moral of the story...Thailand is a lot safer and better for sex tourists than the misinfo you posted about it. And touts shouldn't make up stories to aid a business, lest they get caught red-handed.

There are many places in the world to visit and have fun, they all have negatives and positives. Some people can't see the forest for the trees, I guess this is why they never try something else.

Or maybe they have done their research, found their perfect fit, confirmed by experiencing it
themselves, and see little reason to go elsewhere plus many not to, since research has
indicated that nowhere else stacks up.

Of course some people realize they don't need to be in a whore house full of towel clad men to know they'd never want to go there, especially if they are full of women under mafia/pimp control.

Shall we talk about Nevada (but not compare it to Thailand). I personally prefer to judge people and places first hand by going there NOT by what someone I don't know posts on the internet.

If that works for you, then fine. I'm more like the OP wanting to get a sure thing/guarantee in advance. That could involve spending a lot of time in research, but save a person going to dangerous places or ones that just waste his life and money. It looks like my studies paid off, bigtime. Maybe they will help others to make informed choices based on facts rather than your misinformation and a lack of knowing how to get what you want in Thailand.

Even children or promoters can be on the other end of a keyboard.

Like touting FKKs and a particular FKK site, for example?

It takes some time, effort and average intelligence to separate the garbage from the useful info on forums but i don't think a guy has to be Sherlock holmes to do so. See Pillowtalk's post in this thread, for example, which has some excellent advice. Post number 35.

My point was a place where women mingle with the men (women are totally nude) thus no pressure
sort of line up where men can mingle with up to 100 women at one time. No clothing hiding anything, normal day light conditions at times, relaxed food, drink and one cover charge to enter this sort of brothel, resort etc. Women from every continent, size, shape and ethnic background. Safe and 100% Legal, not illegal but tolerated thang. More details at http://www.fkktour.com

You forgot a rep for mechanical service and mafia influence, as per the following opinions, for example:

The real difference in between a Rio Therma and a DUS/FRA FKK club is just one thing:

The Brazilian Therma girls "seem" to have way more fun doing their business than European gilrs (east or west). How many trip reports state "we left the cabin/room etc. 1/2 hour later.......well this is not happening in a German FKK club. That's just 'good old cold' Germany with the girls watching the seconds on the clocks...

But hey, things can go different. I once met a future girl friend in a German FKK club - lol, she was Brazilian !



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well guys as the starter of this thread i feel its my duty to report the pros and the cons of the Termas Vs Fkk. i went to one club in Cologne called Samya url]www.samya.de[/url] but got shut down and not allowed in, now this is either the fact that i am a american with some non caucausoid features,dress to hip hop,or that this is just a place for locals, the excuse i got was that the house was full yeah right but whatever the excuse they just lost my business and will get a bad review everytime someone ask me about it, so the only FKK club i got to visit was in Frankfurt called The Palace www.the-palace.de this place is not far from the central station but i vaguely remeber , FKK entrance is paid upfront 65 euro, that includes unlimited access to all there services as far as rooms,showers,sauna,jacuzzi,buffet,drinks(non alcoholic) then you can choose what girl u want to have some fun with now that cost 50 euro for 30 minutes, everything has to be discussed about what she does and doesnt do, then she takes you to a room and handle your business, you could either have your money in your bathrobe or have it placed in the seperate locker just for your money, because up entrance you are given a bracelet with a key and a number, that key works with 2 lockers one for your clothes and the other for your money, all services are paid for after not before, this is just the Palace im not sure if its the same in all the German FKK clubs so to me FKK clubs are cool in the fact that atmosphere is a lil bit better than the termas, but the girls are not as into there job as there counterparts in brazil,if you plan to bang 3 or 4 girls then this is legit, i think you have to pay for the room each time in the Brazil Termas (correct me if im wrong on that) the price is about the same more or less in US dollars, people can have sex all over the place except for the jacuzzi in the FKK if your into voyeurism, but the pro is that they have an international selection of women if you want variety the con is its only 30 minutes as oppose to 45 the Termas offer, so basically its almost the same but a little different but to each his own, any other questions please feel free to reply as my post might not be as informative as i think it should be........... peace
Considering German salaries, FKK are dirt cheap. They cost about as much as a Brazilian termas, but low pay jobs in Germany pay at leat 5-10 times as much as in Brazil.


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In Rio, a shop saleslady makes US$ 7 a day. In Germany, she would make US$ 50 a day. Relatively to local wages, FKK are more priced like cheap Rio brothels.

In absolute value, they are priced about equally.

You have to drive far to get to a FKK. In Rio, you can stop by at one on the way home after work, or during lunch break.

German FKK are less formal, more sleazy. I like that ;-)
Cheap Brazilian brothels are less formal too (naked girls taking shower in front of you), but you will not get a blow job in the public waiting room.

Brazilian girls have more fun, are happier and nicer. But foreign girls in FKK (avoid German girls) are pretty nice too.

In Germany, you might find girls exploited by the Mafia, though you will not notice. In Brazil, girls are free and after paying their dues to the house all proceeds are theirs. In Germany, the house gets their dues. Then the girl gets her money, but she might have to pass most to her pimp. It is hard to verify and to prove.

But when in Eastern Europe, I got offers to BUY or RENT a girl and they calculated how first 100% of the girl's money would go to covering my expenses like her ticket and her monthly rental price (!), after that I would get 50%

So in short: a Brazilian luxury prostitute in a termas is filthy rich, makes more money then the local bank branch manager. A German FKK prostitute has decent income if she can keep it, or might actually be fairly poor if she has to give up large part of her money.

http://www.worldsexguide.com/forum/showthread.php?15700-Brazil-Termas-v.s.-Germany-FKK-Clubs

Personally I think the prices at Artemis are not worth the candle wax. The entry fee is over the top as is the asking price for a half hour coupling of the wagons. Berlin in general has a poor reputation when it comes to quality and price. That is the trouble with capital cities, they tend to be a rip-off. Also Berlin is overrun with Polish and Russian mafia types forcing girls into the sex trade. Look how close it is to the border for one. Easy escape route if you get to feel the heat from the cops.

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Also Berlin is overrun with Polish and Russian mafia types forcing girls into the sex trade.

Don't forget the Turkish mafia. When I weas living in Berlin a few years ago (before Artemis) the clubs were controlled by either the Russian or turkish mafia.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-2588.html

I am quite sure that both the clubs in Vienna and Berlin are run by some sort of Eastern European mafia.


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I am afraid to venture in those European zones because I think that whole trade is control by the mafia and the girls may not have any says in the matter hence a case of bad sex but it sounds like you are having fun.

http://playgroundbooks.blogspot.com/?zx=596246c7e7bcba1b

More on prostitution and the mafia in Germany:

http://www.vnnforum.com/archive/index.php/t-43494.html
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=43494

"Regular health checks for prostitutes are not mandated by law in Germany. In Bavaria (Bayern), law mandates the use of condoms for sexual intercourse with prostitutes, including oral contact.[49][50]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Germany#Forms_and_extent_of_prostitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Germany#Human_trafficking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Germany

Germany by the way is as short as 7-8 hours non-stop from the East coast about $500-800

I think the vast majority of readers here are closer to the West coast of Canada.

Some people have just too much time on their hands,

it seems from your posts in this topic, you have some time, too.

 

[sensualsixty]

This thread had a lot of interesting links - but some seemed dated. The FKK clubs sure piqued my interest, so I did a bit of research. I think the following might just be the ultimate on the FKK clubs - www.FKK24.DE

 

[DavidMR]

I don't do a lineup because I am independent, true. But if he booked a session with me and showed up and I was not what he was hoping for, he is welcome to leave and not go through with the session if he is not happy with the way I look

Really? That's incredible. Surely no one has ever taken that out, have they?

 

[Mojo]

Want some insight into Pattaya, Thailand ( The single man's "Disneyland" ), check out Pattaya Addicts http://www.pattaya-addicts.com/forum/index.php

Enough of the thread pirating