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this video is making the rounds in recent days...

Images of Tehran... Before Bush gets there!

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The Iran war drumbeats are intensifying - lot's of conveniently placed mainstream media segments in recent days... all playing up the influence of Iran in Iraq. Movement of U.S. jets to their Turkey bases - 2 carrier fleets positioned. Iran... the "big prize"!

Anyone been to Tehran... anyone with first-hand comment on how they found the people, the city, the country?
 
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Hmmmm Tehran looks a lot like North Vancouver! Actually, Persians I've known have remarked that it is why N.Van is populated heavily by them because the big mountain against the city and the water and landscape are very much like Tehran.

Hopefully Bush and company don't proceed with such a disaster as war with Iran will be for the US, Iran, the Middle East, and the whole world.
 
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Thats a good foreign policy, blow em to hell!

No, the US needs to understand that they cannot simply use destructive force to control people who by all accounts do not have to listen to the US. Why not a trade embargo? It's good enough for Cuba. Why a war? Because it creates a unified nation of the USA. Even if the average American does not approve of the war, he/she will still stand behind his/her governments action. Its a huge PR stunt to stage this war on terror, and let's be honest, Bush will NOT kill every terrorist. It is impossible. But he needs his ratings, which are falling, so maybe switching targets will bump his approval ratings up? Who knows? All that matters is that they made a mess in Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Iran. Who next, Mexico?
 
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I would disagree that it is simply ratings the president is after. Powerful people paid a lot of money to get this puppet into power, powerful people with vested interests in the US being in a conflict with other countries. The President's backing comes mainly from Oil corporations and Weapons manufacturers. His grandfather sold munitions to both Nazi Germany and the Allies. Whose pocket do you think that half a trillion dollars is going into? Yes it does cost money to fight a war, you need lots of money for TWO principle things: weapons and oil. Weapons to use against your foe and oil to power your fleets, airforce, tanks, etc.. The President is surrounded by some of the smartest people in the country with years of experience in political affairs, isn't it odd that somehow, these people of ALL people did not know going into Iraq would be a disaster? Its the American people that are the morons that think that politicians like Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney is really that oblivious to whats going about in the world. You have these moronic American soldiers filled with national pride to die/blow off a limb for their country yet in the end, they die an empty meaningless death. They didn't die for their country, they died so that they can make a small group of already rich men, richer.
 
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I like North Vancouver... very picturesque.

The Jewish lobby has a tremendous influence with both parties in the US. Israeli spies have provided "documented" claims on a continuous basis over the last 15 years to the IAEA about Iranian plans for a nuclear enrichment program outside of use as an energy source. Israel has no desire for any country in the region save for itself to contest it for nuclear and military supremacy. Israel has done everything including forcing the issue with the US and referring Iran to the Security Council for violations of IAEA inspection protocols, a preemption for a first-strike on Iran utilizing American forces to further Israeli objectives. It is no wonder that there has been bellicose statements made by the Iranian president (who is only head of state) against Israel as of late, though the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khameini expressed dismay at aggressive war with Israel and vetoed the president on measures that would have put Iran on an aggressive military posture.

Though many in the west refuse to believe it, Iran has desired only peaceful use for enrichment of uranium to augment domestic energy supplies while it builds an economy based on petroleum export. Under the constant harrassment of Israel, Iran subjected itself to protocol after protocol, inspection after inspection until its own national security interests were at risk of being fully exposed. Now Iran is pushed to militarize conventionally and also develop nukes because Israel refuses to allow it equal treatment within the region. Note that the Israeli nuclear program was never subjected to IAEA inspections, and its nuclear weapons program is still "unknown" and Israel never signed any nuke treaties. Hopefully you all see the hypocrisy and manipulations of the Jewish state.
 
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Every Persian that I have met in Vancouver have all been very anti-war. Contrary to what you hear in the media, alot of people from these areas are not religious at all. They just want to have a normal life.

The fact that they all lived through it tells you going that a war is the last thing that any of them want. They recall losing friends and relatives during the Iran-Iraq war as well as living through the scud missile attacks against Tehran.
 
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HeMadeMeDoIt said:
And more images of Iran pre Bush for a more acurate picture:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3d81824a08

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/video/stoning_video_100kbps.wmv

http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/women.html
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It's always easy to pick things wrong with a society. Just looking at BC current events, such as the Pickton trial, or the pregnant school teacher who was murdered and her body burned. Or the guy that got turned to charcoal for trying to steal copper wire, or seniors being beaten to death by teenagers in Surrey. Judging by these events, one could say we are a bunch of cold hearted bastards, but obviously as a society as whole that is not the case.

Why all the hate???
 
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George might as well take 'em all on!!

 
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Mike Hawk said:
Amen!!

I hate North Vancouver. Nuke it!!
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ha! ... and this is why you should spend more time in the Lounge. Good to see you're back (a bit more lately)
 
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Buntoss said:
It's always easy to pick things wrong with a society. Just looking at BC current events, such as the Pickton trial, or the pregnant school teacher who was murdered and her body burned. Or the guy that got turned to charcoal for trying to steal copper wire, or seniors being beaten to death by teenagers in Surrey. Judging by these events, one could say we are a bunch of cold hearted bastards, but obviously as a society as whole that is not the case.
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Agreed - do those links provide a, as stated, "more accurate" accounting/reflection of Iranian people/society than does the original video? Of course not.

The original video shows a view that typically isn't played up; a view that, in the narrowest of time allotment, is able to convey a sense of a modern, prosperous, progressive people/society..... not that other image the neo-cons would like to foster; one of Iranians as nothing more than a group of rag-tag mud-hut dwelling terrorists..... or adultery stoning fanatics.
 
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so we have the US Senate's Foreign Relations Committee holding hearings on Iraq in a Strategic Context or Iraq in the broader context of American foreign policy and strategy in the region... with minimal mainstream media coverage of last week's appearance of former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski:

Brzezinski offered up a scathing critique of the war in Iraq, warning that the policy of the Bush administration was leading inevitably to a military confrontation with Iran..... suggesting that the Bush administration might manufacture a pretext to justify a military attack on Iran. Presenting what he called a “plausible scenario for a military collision with Iran,” Brzezinski laid out the following series of events: “Iraqi failure to meet the benchmarks, followed by accusations of Iranian responsibility for the failure, then by some provocation in Iraq or a terrorist act in the US blamed on Iran, culminating in, quote/unquote, ‘defensive’ US military action against Iran...”

... Brzezinski suggesting, without explicitly stating as much, that the Bush administration was capable of manufacturing or allowing a terrorist attack within the US to provide a justification for war with Iran.
 
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Enjoyed the Yusuf Islam accompaniment ...

Bush will not invade before the election as for sure the Republicans will lose if he does. If they get in again its pretty much guarateed they will I think.
 
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Iran's president never actually called for the destruction of Israel. Turns out western newspapers interpreted the Farsi incorrectly although Iran never bothered to correct them and instead just rolled with it.

Iranian President Ahmadinejad:
- has no real power
- was ONLY elected on a platform of economic reform
- his entire party was defeated in a vote of non-confidence very recently
- is disliked by the 'Supreme Leader' who publically bashes him in newspapers for ignoring domestic affairs.


considering the piss-poor shape of the Iranian economy right now Ahmadinejad is not going to last in office very long.. UNLESS something really stupid happens like the Americans bomb Iran. Then he can cling to office forever
 
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