You only have to walk into Holt Renfrew once to see why most sp's charge $200/hr.It's not cheap having a vagina. Especially when your trying to keep up with the Jone's.
Are We Being Manipulated? Are you in this club?
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Anybody that can put a 300lb fat guys dick in her mouth & pretend that she likes it is a professional in my books.If the shoe where on the other foot & i had to go down on a 60 yr old 300 pounder,i just don't think i could do it(no matter how many acting lessons i took.
doesn't sound like you ripped any one of honey,
i don't know,
i have been close to a women for several years, she has been going through some stuff, which i won't go into,
but i have repeatedlly told her anything at all i can do to help.
all she has ever asked me to do is keep being her client, through some rough times.
i don't know what to say except were adults here, we offer friendship, or to help,
and when we do, it should be with no strings attached. you do it because your a friend, if well some one takes you or rips you off that i guess says more about them then you,
and i guess, in some sense, were all adults, and the questions is,
why did we get involved with some one, the lady is well a hooker, so why did we go beyond a simple business transaction what did we want in return what were we hoping for, that we went beyond money for sex. and started doing favours for some lady,
you go in with eyes wide open, would you ask a car thief to hold your keys, she is a hooker, and if you truested her beyond that then why,
all im saying is you should know the person your dealing with, were all adults, she is a hooker you went beyond the call of duty, why,
you thought she all of a sudden isn't going to be a hooker any more,
and i mean no disrespect to any ladies out there, the lady i talk to, she has mentioned hooker mode a few times,
in terms of well she goes into hooker mode she just wants the money,
and yeah i get it, girls want money, that is what there here for, lets not kid each other,
even though my sps has mentioned going into hooker mode and we talked about it laughed about, that is just what she does ok
but there is also another side of her, she is a women and she is a human being,
and as a guy you honestly can't be that stupid to be seeing a lady paying her for sex, and then not see or tell the difference between hooker mode and a true friend put your cards on the table,
i don't know, if you can't see it, your blind or looking for something else.
and please no disrespect to the ladies, i have had several ladies break down and cry and tell me alot of inner well just very personal stuff, there women, there people, and sometimes its just a job, yeah hooker mode, and sometimes, there just normal people.
but there friends, and i trust them with everything,
and i bet you for every guy that has been ripped off there is lady who has been ripped of and played for a fool to
and please no disrespect to the ladies there just people doing a job, earning a living, geting on through there life,
the ones that i know and have repeated with, once you get passed the working part of them there just a women same as anyone else.
i think its sad that some of you guys have so little respect for the ladies in this,
the two ladies i have spent any length of time, have told me alot about there personal life,
i respect the hell of them, i trust them completely,
have shown them both my drivers licence
there women human beings, who just happen to be hookers,
that is well what life dealt them, and
im a john that is how it worked out for me,
like i said i would trust them with anything,
but both of them have told me about being ripped of and guys stealing from them and lieing to them,
i don't get it why some of you guys are so down on these ladies,
there just people
for fuck sakes one of my own dam family ripped me off once,
i would trust the hooker i see more then my own inlaws,
the two ladies i have spent any length of time, have told me alot about there personal life,
i respect the hell of them, i trust them completely,
have shown them both my drivers licence
there women human beings, who just happen to be hookers,
that is well what life dealt them, and
im a john that is how it worked out for me,
like i said i would trust them with anything,
but both of them have told me about being ripped of and guys stealing from them and lieing to them,
i don't get it why some of you guys are so down on these ladies,
there just people
for fuck sakes one of my own dam family ripped me off once,
i would trust the hooker i see more then my own inlaws,
Some potential dumb things include loaning a SP money, prepaying for sessions, buying expensive presents which typically relates to falling for, or thinking you are in, or on the road to a relationship with an SP. I have been fortunate to the extent that I got played once in a normal "relationship" with a non SP, which cured me of a lot of delusions about being "nice" or the role of money in relationships. While you can certainly be friends with an SP (and I have met some genuinely nice ones), I believe this thread was started by someone who was taken advantage of by one -I.e. helping one with her car payments.....just take a step back and try to find a way to not find this delusional, really sad, or probably both.
And the opportunity in my case with a long term SPECIAL 'friend' is to help her out of this business into school were she would end up with an entry level job into an important part of our society. Despite her pleas that she hates this SP work and wants out I sense a reluctance to let it go even if she has to sneak around to keep in it. So now what is worrying me is this question....Am I helping a gal out of prostitution or am I helping a prostitute into a precious part of our system where she could do damage with a prostitution type of mentality?
Is she really able to let it go and be thankful or will it always be a part of her?
How do you tell? Well one call is to look at what she does rather than what she says and so far I see all actions pointing towards a continuous involvement. Actions such as a revamped web site, staying even later at this work, telling me that she is unable to work certain times but web site indicates she is. You know...
Is she really able to let it go and be thankful or will it always be a part of her?
How do you tell? Well one call is to look at what she does rather than what she says and so far I see all actions pointing towards a continuous involvement. Actions such as a revamped web site, staying even later at this work, telling me that she is unable to work certain times but web site indicates she is. You know...
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Let's keep a little perspective here... you're having this discussion in the context of SP's. Let's not forget the girlfriends out there who are taking many a guy for a ride. I've had a few girlfriends start 'borrowing' money off me. Don't ever think that this kind of behaviour is limited to SPs. For the most part the reason most of us engage in this behaviour is because the relationship is more direct and honest in many ways. It's clear what the benefit is for the woman and there's no confusion that she's doing it for her financial betterment.
If you want to worry about being manipulated marry a materialistic woman and go through a divorce.
Strangely I have actually loaned money to an SP - and she actually paid me back. I did it expecting to never see it again and true to her word she met me for lunch and handed me a cheque. I wondered what the chances were of it clearing. It did. Of all the women I've helped it was a working girl who kept her word and paid me back.
But if you're paying her anyway... that should suffice. That's the whole point. You may be putting out signals that you are an easy mark, you are looking for intimacy and a relationship that goes beyond sex and some people will take advantage of that.
The world is full of takers and givers... just be aware of what side of the line you're sitting on. And when you give, do it without expecting much in return. That's the key to it.
I agree. The guys that do "more" give "more" are in LOVE. Stupid as it is and you know it. They are hoping you will fall in love with them. The beginning of the Girl friend experience started in and about the late 90's. Its almost a conflict of interest and the "rules" should be explained. If you want to be a "professional" and not just another gold digger in another outfit.
Men are easily manipulated by sex, but if you "like" men.....don't ruin their lives. Or for that matter the lives of the "real" people who love them like wifes, girlfriends, daughters, son's and mothers and fathers. Being a mistress on the side is cool. But making them think anything else is cruel.
Men are easily manipulated by sex, but if you "like" men.....don't ruin their lives. Or for that matter the lives of the "real" people who love them like wifes, girlfriends, daughters, son's and mothers and fathers. Being a mistress on the side is cool. But making them think anything else is cruel.
This is crazy don't be a captain save a ho. Theres no need to give them money for nothing, maybe just a small tip like any other business transaction if you want. If they need money that bad maybe book more appointments. You shouldn't be doing them favors or helping them out you are just a client. They should be asking their friends or family for that help. You are not friends if the only time you see them is when you got your wallet open. Friendship is a two way street how do you think it would go if you were down on your luck and asked the SP you've been helping for the same kind of help back. Like others have said here it's the guy trying to make the SP like him back, he wouldn't do the same for some guy he barely knows.
I agree with dantheman totally
Sp are not some dating site you use to find a soul mate or friend
They make a lot of money.....someone averaged it to 400,000 a yr
Now unless they are incorporated and accept credit cards that income is not being taxed.
So really add a way bigger net income than a high end lawyer.
Sure they need two identities, cannot buy a property without raising the over 20 grand in cash being reported and have to produce last two tax returns.
So what's you got understand it costs a lot to have two lifestyles?.....
Or another person to put their assets thru
Like washing drug money
Anyway.....helping out is like your lawyer or doctor asking for a loan. Geeez guys
And for you SP's out there
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO YOUR DAD IF HE WWAS DOING THIS
OR YOUR BROTHER????
Hey will you visit in the hospital when your benefactor gets sick.
If you can say yes than ask for favors
Guys if she for free visits you on life support ....do her that favor
And her boyfriend....the one they never talk about will thank you by letting you have his woman....but not her heart or head my friend
Sp are not some dating site you use to find a soul mate or friend
They make a lot of money.....someone averaged it to 400,000 a yr
Now unless they are incorporated and accept credit cards that income is not being taxed.
So really add a way bigger net income than a high end lawyer.
Sure they need two identities, cannot buy a property without raising the over 20 grand in cash being reported and have to produce last two tax returns.
So what's you got understand it costs a lot to have two lifestyles?.....
Or another person to put their assets thru
Like washing drug money
Anyway.....helping out is like your lawyer or doctor asking for a loan. Geeez guys
And for you SP's out there
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO YOUR DAD IF HE WWAS DOING THIS
OR YOUR BROTHER????
Hey will you visit in the hospital when your benefactor gets sick.
If you can say yes than ask for favors
Guys if she for free visits you on life support ....do her that favor
And her boyfriend....the one they never talk about will thank you by letting you have his woman....but not her heart or head my friend
Apparently, it wasn't a loan and, within a few months, the harassment caused her to just quit the business altogether.Sonny Burnett™;1251508 said:
The point was that they had a certain professional respect for each other; when she had the problem, he was willing to help out financially. No drama, no strings attached...
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Maybe the board needs a new acronym for this, like SDGFE (Sugar Daddy's GFE).
To some degree, isn't it predictable that this happens? The best SP's are probably those that can slip, in the moment, into a reality where they are having sex with their boyfriend. I don't know about most, but at least some Johns are predisposed to this alternate reality. If that alternate reality is so much better then real-life, I could see some Johns having a hard time leaving it.
Also, I've done plenty of favors for people. Some I did with the hope and (my) expectation that they would do one in return for me. Others where I gave just because I wanted to help them out, with no hope or expectation of anything in return. We're not talking contracts here. We're talking favors.
Let go of your vendetta. Either chalk it up to a life lesson learned, or consider yourself a better person because you gave with no strings attached.
To some degree, isn't it predictable that this happens? The best SP's are probably those that can slip, in the moment, into a reality where they are having sex with their boyfriend. I don't know about most, but at least some Johns are predisposed to this alternate reality. If that alternate reality is so much better then real-life, I could see some Johns having a hard time leaving it.
Also, I've done plenty of favors for people. Some I did with the hope and (my) expectation that they would do one in return for me. Others where I gave just because I wanted to help them out, with no hope or expectation of anything in return. We're not talking contracts here. We're talking favors.
Let go of your vendetta. Either chalk it up to a life lesson learned, or consider yourself a better person because you gave with no strings attached.
Loaning money to an sp has had some interesting consequences. First you find yourself concerned about payback and that can cause stress when it doesn't happen. Had one experience where it was evident that she was avoiding me. Really turned out to be that she didn't want me in her place at prime time since she already had the money. Eventually got paid in full but never loaned again to her. Other experience with other Sp have been very good. Trust between us has been so good that I never carry cash but just email them payments.
I stopped lending money as I never got it back. It always starts out with a few hundred then a $1,000 here and there then $4,000 then $5,000 then $10,000. I rather give a gifts of clothes, shoes, handbags, spa treatments, flowers, etc... a more personal event. I remember buying a car once only to be slapped by the GF because it was the wrong red. Yea WRONG RED!!! I was so excited to give it to her but once I looked at her face and she looked at me and said "It is the wrong red" I felt like a stupid piece of shit. I said I would never do it again. It was not the money thing it was fact that she did not appreciate it.
I am sorry to say I have bought a house for a SP that I thought was my GF. She knew all things to say, She lead me down a road only to have her dump me for her ex who abused her. I was an idiot. I have always been like that with GF and SP. I now say no more. I do not date ladies I only see SPs. I think I know what I am going to get. In someways I have come to hate it when a SP tells me she wants to be Friends. Once that happens and I don't pay then it is expected I will help out with fixing her roof, helping her with new toliets, or car payments, or new washer. If I want help I offer but if they ask, I say Oh NO here it comes. I hate the feeling of being taken advantage of. Yet I keep doing it.
Reading your comments makes feel better. I thought I was the only Idiot out there. How could I be taken. I don't blame the SP as I let it happen. However I love SP who I take shopping and rather than buying the 600 dress they go to the discount rack. I had a SP in Toronto who I took shopping and she took me to Holt Renfrew and I thought here we go again. But she took me to the discount floor and tryed on dresses. She really liked two but Was only going to buy one. It was like half price. So well she was changing I bought her both of the dresses. She was so thankful. The fact that she was concerned about my money I was impressed. I had another who wanted a sweater at $180.00. When I said sure I would buy she ended up buying all the colors. Well that pissed me of as she was taking advantage of me.
I have ripped off more times than I care to remember. I have a lawyer who wants to go after them but to be honest what for. They have nothing so what am I going to gain. I usually walk and marked off as an experience. I swear I will never do that again. But well Guys I am a sucker or a pretty face and the whisper.
I guess my question to you is Why do I feeling like shit if I have a SP as a friend and if we have sex and I don't pay I feeling like I am using them. If I pay them they say they feel like shit so I feel bad. This used or be used thing with a friend makes it impossible to have a relationship. I don't know how guys do it. Damed if you do and damed if you don't. So one answer is don't do it. But I get lonely on the road. So What is a guy too do?
oh one other thing is when you start out and you open the door for them they are so impressed. Over time it is expected. Then you buy them little things like flowers they are in tears as no one has done this for them. Then they expected it. Then you buy the one out fit. Next time it is two. You pick them up in a limo WOW the next time you pick them up in a town car they are dis appointed. The first time they stay in a suite they are impressed. Next time a 600 Sq ft suite is a disapointment. I take them to Gotham Steak house impressive then next time they are shocked you would consider the Keg. On and on it goes. I find they come to expect things. They are less impressed and the lose the appreciation. They think I an a asshole because I can not get a first class ticket to LA. What is wrong with people?
I am sorry to say I have bought a house for a SP that I thought was my GF. She knew all things to say, She lead me down a road only to have her dump me for her ex who abused her. I was an idiot. I have always been like that with GF and SP. I now say no more. I do not date ladies I only see SPs. I think I know what I am going to get. In someways I have come to hate it when a SP tells me she wants to be Friends. Once that happens and I don't pay then it is expected I will help out with fixing her roof, helping her with new toliets, or car payments, or new washer. If I want help I offer but if they ask, I say Oh NO here it comes. I hate the feeling of being taken advantage of. Yet I keep doing it.
Reading your comments makes feel better. I thought I was the only Idiot out there. How could I be taken. I don't blame the SP as I let it happen. However I love SP who I take shopping and rather than buying the 600 dress they go to the discount rack. I had a SP in Toronto who I took shopping and she took me to Holt Renfrew and I thought here we go again. But she took me to the discount floor and tryed on dresses. She really liked two but Was only going to buy one. It was like half price. So well she was changing I bought her both of the dresses. She was so thankful. The fact that she was concerned about my money I was impressed. I had another who wanted a sweater at $180.00. When I said sure I would buy she ended up buying all the colors. Well that pissed me of as she was taking advantage of me.
I have ripped off more times than I care to remember. I have a lawyer who wants to go after them but to be honest what for. They have nothing so what am I going to gain. I usually walk and marked off as an experience. I swear I will never do that again. But well Guys I am a sucker or a pretty face and the whisper.
I guess my question to you is Why do I feeling like shit if I have a SP as a friend and if we have sex and I don't pay I feeling like I am using them. If I pay them they say they feel like shit so I feel bad. This used or be used thing with a friend makes it impossible to have a relationship. I don't know how guys do it. Damed if you do and damed if you don't. So one answer is don't do it. But I get lonely on the road. So What is a guy too do?
oh one other thing is when you start out and you open the door for them they are so impressed. Over time it is expected. Then you buy them little things like flowers they are in tears as no one has done this for them. Then they expected it. Then you buy the one out fit. Next time it is two. You pick them up in a limo WOW the next time you pick them up in a town car they are dis appointed. The first time they stay in a suite they are impressed. Next time a 600 Sq ft suite is a disapointment. I take them to Gotham Steak house impressive then next time they are shocked you would consider the Keg. On and on it goes. I find they come to expect things. They are less impressed and the lose the appreciation. They think I an a asshole because I can not get a first class ticket to LA. What is wrong with people?
This is too deep to even attempt a response, here in this venue.
You sound like a gem, Dickson. Hope you find the relationship balance you're seeking...xox
The Flying Lizards were so bad that it's fun to watch them.This song seemed so fitting for this thread ...
sorry guys I couldn't help myselfound:
Kisses Melina*
