A good read for liberals

[hornydude]

For all the anti-Iraq war snivelling punks: Here's an interesting article that shows how your beloved friend the insurgent treats HIS prisoners...before reading, ask how you would wish to be treated if you'd survived a helicopter crash and had a broken leg...and were alone facing many

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/04/21/iraq.main/index.html

 

[BushPilot]

I find it interesting that nobs like you link any act of brutality in Iraq with us 'anti-Iraq war snivelling punks.' I'm a liberal, one of those you alluded to in the subject of your post. I don't, however, support the needless killing of anybody, let alone a helpless civillian. I'm sure you are trying to justify the excesses of Abu Ghraib, the illegal circumvention of the Geneva Convention at Guantanamo Bay, and other crimes of the current US administration with the tired, 'at least we're better than those guys' argument. If you wish the standard of our civilisation to be merely 'better than the other guy,' than you have very low standards. What you're really trying to do is run a circular argument that uses the events that have occured in this war to justify starting the war in the first place. Let me assure you, had there not been an invasion of Iraq, those people who died in that crash and afterwards would still be alive today. Since you feel so strongly about the moral imperative behind the Iraq war, why don't you head down south and enlist. I hear the American military is looking for a few new warm bodies.

 

[hornydude]

no commentary required

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/isla..._execution_video_of_surviver_Apr_21_2005.html

 

[dirtydan]

For all the anti-Iraq war snivelling punks: Here's an interesting article that shows how your beloved friend the insurgent treats HIS prisoners...before reading, ask how you would wish to be treated if you'd survived a helicopter crash and had a broken leg...and were alone facing many

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/04/21/iraq.main/index.html

Are you suggesting that since the insurgents are brutal, such as killing prisoners, that it makes correct all of the wrongs the US has committed?

As for the crap about anti-Iraq war snivelling punks, just what makes you support a war that is based on lies? If there ever was a war to oppose it is the American conquering of Iraq.

 

[timec98]

For all the anti-Iraq war snivelling punks: Here's an interesting article that shows how your beloved friend the insurgent treats HIS prisoners...before reading, ask how you would wish to be treated if you'd survived a helicopter crash and had a broken leg...and were alone facing many

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/04/21/iraq.main/index.html

You obviously don’t understand the term liberal. Your point loses its impact when you unnecessarily label anyone with an anti-war persuasion as a “sniveling punk”. You can also be against the U.S. occupation of Iraq without embracing the, as you say, “beloved friend the insurgent”. You appear to have a passion for what you think – don’t hesitate to come back again when you can state your position sans attitude and misunderstandings.

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[hornydude]

perogative

attitude is anyone's perogative

...and there is no misunderstanding: believe it or not there really is a right and a wrong opinion...people who see the world in shades of gray are the ones who don't understand

 

[BushPilot]

attitude is anyone's perogative

...and there is no misunderstanding: believe it or not there really is a right and a wrong opinion...people who see the world in shades of gray are the ones who don't understand

There you go, now you're talking like a true whacko. You believe that your opinion is the only one that counts. All those who disagree with you are wrong. You believe in illegal wars that cost thousands of innocent lives. Those lives are insignificant when balanced against the morally correct goals that you hope to achieve. Congratulations! Grow yourself a long beard, put on some flowing, white robes, move to a cave in Afghanistan and call yourself Osama. Fucking morons are everywhere.

 

[hornydude]

Hmmm

So were many of the Gitmo detainees summarily executed?

Did the US not let a few go when they determined they were harmless?

And correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're a prisoner, doesn't that offer some chance of future redemption? (release)

And a hypothetical question: If you had to choose who to surrender to, would it be a US soldier or a jihadi? I'm sure the shade of gray would fade into black real quick if you were staring donw the barrel of an AK-47.

Anyhow...doesn't look like I'm winning this debate...many against me here, but what the hell, I never was one to take the easy, popular line in public.

Keep it coming, keep it coming...

 

[Fudd]

Not all liberals oppose the war in Iraq

Quit stereotyping us liberals as opposing the war in Iraq. I'm liberal but I don't oppose the war. It's neccessary to free the people of Iraq from tyranny.

 

[hornydude]

Fair enough

Quit stereotyping us liberals as opposing the war in Iraq. I'm liberal but I don't oppose the war. It's neccessary to free the people of Iraq from tyranny.

Good point...now someone makes sense. Point conceded.

General questions for anyone out there to answer:

Now, again, perhaps I'm just dense, but if one is a liberal, then one would be most opposed to someone at the very opposite of the political spectrum: a fascist. True? Now, if that's the case, then wouldn't a Baathist be a more logical target for all sorts of vitriol from the left, than, say, oh, George Bush?

For that matter, wouldn't a radical islamist be a logical target, too?

Speaking of black and white: How 'bout those guys who detonat car bombs that target people because they're Shia vs Sunni? Don't hear much protest from the left about anti-Shia bigotry and deliberate mass murder. Why is that?

 

[hornydude]

Btw

It seems the 1st portion of my original post, particularly the words, "sniveling", "punks", and "anti-Iraq war" generated the most heat and light in terms of replies.

Did anyone who took the time to reply take the time to read the article and ponder that last part of the question?

I challenge everyone to forget the politics for one second and just think about how one man spent his last minutes on earth. Forget the bs...just read the article, watch the video, and imagine...if you don't find this hard to stomach, then I would be very interested to hear how that is.

 

[HankQuinlan]

You can't argue unless you have a point to make. Your point is that the insurgents are brutal. Logic does not then point to the war being justified. War is brutal. Being bombed is brutal. Being shot is brutal. NOT starting wars would be a more logical solution to avoiding brutality.

 

[Herb_The_Perb]

Well, I guess the underlying meaning of Horny Dude's handle is that he only has one head to think with, and it's not the big one.
I've never seen such arrogant, presumptuous, and uninformed crap in my life.

 

[Herb_The_Perb]

I challenge everyone to forget the politics for one second and just think about how one man spent his last minutes on earth. Forget the bs...

Well, it looks as though you also want us to forget the tens of thousands of Iraqi combatants that we killed, and the added hundreds of thousands of innocent non-combatant men, women, and children that we have killed or maimed befire this one guy died.
If rational thinking is not your thing, please don't post politically here.

 

[LonelyGhost]

I don't get this whole labelling thing anyway: I am all over the 'political' spectrum when it comes to issues:

I am absolutely pro-abortion, but marginally anti-child support -- if a guy can't ask you to have an abortion, then why can you ask a guy for child support?

I am absolutely pro-death penalty ... not as a deterent but simply because some idiots are incurable and its cheaper than life in prison -- and what's a human life worth? ask the people who were devastated by some pedophile!

I don't believe in middle-class social programs and corporate welfare ... but I do believe in helping people in need.

I am pro-union but reserve the right to fire slackers, drunks, idiots, lazy bastards, idiots, and most managers, directors and other high priced bureaucrats (with NO severence package, golden parachute or bloated private contracts or pensions ... fired is fired!).

I believe somethings should be privatized but others shouldn't.

Finally, I am absolutely anti-war, however, if you have to 'go in' then do it right and protect your own! This half-assed police action or whatever Iraq is supposed to be just sucks shit for the people getting maimed and killed over there. A good war never solved anything, but a bad one just costs lives.

 

[hornydude]

Muffman

Here's one of your buddies from Iraq...too bad he can't join the debate

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2005/january/ogrish-dot-com-samara_battle1.jpg

 

[donnyknotts]

Leave hornydude alone, guys. Haven't you heard its impossible to argue intelligently with a dumbass?

 

[BC visitor]

Quit stereotyping us liberals as opposing the war in Iraq. I'm liberal but I don't oppose the war. It's neccessary to free the people of Iraq from tyranny.

So I guess North Korea or Iran are next up in the liberation hit parade?

In the war on terror, the strategy that will beat the US is getting us to squander our financial resources by freeing people from tyranny. Why is this suddenly our job to do? Why are we not looking to free others from tyranny? God knows the people of the Congo could use a break from tyranny.

 

[Hondius]

After twenty years of wearing the Queen's uniform I find it amazing how easily some people think they can send me out to die for their political views. If horney dude thinks war is such a great thing he should slip over the border and join the American military. They are always hiring. Now I also support the war but the democratically elected Government of Canada said no so I stay here and go to other fun places like Afghanistan and Africa. I guess I just want you guys to know that we are real people too and I don't want to die because someone saw weapons of mass destruction where there were none.

 

[LonelyGhost]

I guess I just want you guys to know that we are real people too and I don't want to die because someone saw weapons of mass destruction where there were none.

they only went in because there was oil ... does that count as a weapon of mass destruction?

and while I am against war I am 100% behind the people that have to do the damn work from the front line back ...

i grew up during the vietnam war and was disgusted by people who spit on soldiers or worse and am still disgusted by that behaviour: you can protest against something but unless you're willing to step up and offer the guy or gal a job to replace the one they have to do, don't take it out on them.

now if we all collectively spit on G.W. maybe he'd drown and the world would be a better place!