Wondering what are some of the good streets to cruise down on the low. Anyone have a favourite route? I went as far east as Princess the other day, and could only find one SP out criss-crossing back and forth from Powell to Hastings. Advice would be appreciated.
A good low track circuit?
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low track circuit?
SirLoin
Good ? Mine, yeah..........................
Travelling west on Hastings, I usually take a right on Dunlevy (sometimes go a block further to Gore), 1 block north to Cordova, right/east on Cordova (don't take the diversion to Powell, but straight through and over the tracks). Make a left 1 block past the tracks and north to Powell.
At this point , I usually head for the mid track as it is so close.
Take a right on Powell, heading east to Commercial, right on Commercial, first left on Pandora, 2 blocks east to Victoria, right on Victoria and 1 block south to Franklin. Another right on Franklin and 2 blocks west back to Commercial.
Left on Commercial, 1 block south to Hastings, make a right , you're heading west, and you can do the whole dammed thing all over again.
SirLoin
Good ? Mine, yeah..........................
Travelling west on Hastings, I usually take a right on Dunlevy (sometimes go a block further to Gore), 1 block north to Cordova, right/east on Cordova (don't take the diversion to Powell, but straight through and over the tracks). Make a left 1 block past the tracks and north to Powell.
At this point , I usually head for the mid track as it is so close.
Take a right on Powell, heading east to Commercial, right on Commercial, first left on Pandora, 2 blocks east to Victoria, right on Victoria and 1 block south to Franklin. Another right on Franklin and 2 blocks west back to Commercial.
Left on Commercial, 1 block south to Hastings, make a right , you're heading west, and you can do the whole dammed thing all over again.
just curious
Far be it for me to cast moral judgements BUT do you guys who cruise the streets ever consider how exploited these girls are and have been probably all their lives...not to mention the health risks of having sex with hardcore drug users...not to mention the negative impact this activity has on neighbourhoods...etc?
Far be it for me to cast moral judgements BUT do you guys who cruise the streets ever consider how exploited these girls are and have been probably all their lives...not to mention the health risks of having sex with hardcore drug users...not to mention the negative impact this activity has on neighbourhoods...etc?
Re: just curious
Different strokes for different folks... who are we to judge??Veronica Fox said:
Re: just curious
How does Holland handle this situation? Isn't it supposed to be a model?
Meanwhile, if every John stopped patronizing, what would these women do? Would their lives be better or worse?
Yes, these are all social and medical problems that should be addressed. But they are not caused by customers (usually). They should be addressed politically and by non-governmental organizations.Veronica Fox said:
How does Holland handle this situation? Isn't it supposed to be a model?
Meanwhile, if every John stopped patronizing, what would these women do? Would their lives be better or worse?
Would the girls be better off if johns didn't patronize?
Yes...some girls would most likely resort to b&e's which is a total drag but it's a better option than selling their bods for a myriad of reasons and the streets, parks and local elementary schools wouldn't be littered with used tampons and condoms. Others might begin the long road to rehab and stop the cycle of abuse.
Unfortunately, comparing Vancouver to Holland is impossible. BC has no comprehensive drug program and there's no way that all the agencies who are splitting the massive amounts of cash the government hands out are ever going to work together in any productive way and why should they...there is zero accountability in this province and city.
Not to mention the fact that our neighbours down south get totally irked when we try to be progressive with federal drug and prostitution policies.
The best we can do is just each be as responsible as possible about our vices. Boinking some exploited, drug addicted and probably diseased creature who has been physically and emotionally abused all her life is just wrong IMHO.
Yes...some girls would most likely resort to b&e's which is a total drag but it's a better option than selling their bods for a myriad of reasons and the streets, parks and local elementary schools wouldn't be littered with used tampons and condoms. Others might begin the long road to rehab and stop the cycle of abuse.
Unfortunately, comparing Vancouver to Holland is impossible. BC has no comprehensive drug program and there's no way that all the agencies who are splitting the massive amounts of cash the government hands out are ever going to work together in any productive way and why should they...there is zero accountability in this province and city.
Not to mention the fact that our neighbours down south get totally irked when we try to be progressive with federal drug and prostitution policies.
The best we can do is just each be as responsible as possible about our vices. Boinking some exploited, drug addicted and probably diseased creature who has been physically and emotionally abused all her life is just wrong IMHO.
Re: just curious
Quote:Originally posted by Veronica Fox...
Far be it for me to cast moral judgements BUT do you guys who cruise the streets ever consider how exploited these girls are and have been probably all their lives...not to mention the health risks of having sex with hardcore drug users...not to mention the negative impact this activity has on neighbourhoods...etc?
Response:
How to answer without sounding evil? I think the problem is they do not think...with the big head anyhow. It is easy to cast aspersions against those who hire sw's, but I imagine that they are the exact type of guy who would hire, say, Veronica Fox and co...just that they have less disposable income.
It's shitty that the working girls have addiction problems, and it's true that hiring them will enable their drug habits, but the real culprits are the dealers imho....
If this country had judges with balls and common sense politicians, they would make it mandatory for arrested addicts to get treatment in prison, and they would put to death heroin dealers...and I mean put'em against a wall and shoot 'em and let 'em die slow so we don't spend too much on bullets if the firing squad misses their heart kind of put 'em to death...
Wow, do I feel better getting that off my chest!
This is Canada, though, so perhaps there will be a parliamentary committee struck, and girls will keep getting sucked into drug adicted misery on the streets...oh, well!
Quote:Originally posted by Veronica Fox...
Far be it for me to cast moral judgements BUT do you guys who cruise the streets ever consider how exploited these girls are and have been probably all their lives...not to mention the health risks of having sex with hardcore drug users...not to mention the negative impact this activity has on neighbourhoods...etc?
Response:
How to answer without sounding evil? I think the problem is they do not think...with the big head anyhow. It is easy to cast aspersions against those who hire sw's, but I imagine that they are the exact type of guy who would hire, say, Veronica Fox and co...just that they have less disposable income.
It's shitty that the working girls have addiction problems, and it's true that hiring them will enable their drug habits, but the real culprits are the dealers imho....
If this country had judges with balls and common sense politicians, they would make it mandatory for arrested addicts to get treatment in prison, and they would put to death heroin dealers...and I mean put'em against a wall and shoot 'em and let 'em die slow so we don't spend too much on bullets if the firing squad misses their heart kind of put 'em to death...
Wow, do I feel better getting that off my chest!
This is Canada, though, so perhaps there will be a parliamentary committee struck, and girls will keep getting sucked into drug adicted misery on the streets...oh, well!
Hey, you guys missed my post on Asian girl on Kingsway....
I was out with a friend late one night on Kingsway and Joyce, and there were these really young asian and white girls out on the prowl. Very nice looking.
2:30 in the morning.
Havent been back there yet, but they've been seen around.
I was out with a friend late one night on Kingsway and Joyce, and there were these really young asian and white girls out on the prowl. Very nice looking.
2:30 in the morning.
Havent been back there yet, but they've been seen around.
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Perhaps our society should spend more time tackling the issues of emotional and physical abuse which most of these youth suffer in their childhood. Escape from their emotional pain is easily provided with an artificially induced 'feel good'. And from there its all downhill. It's sad that so many people are looking for a high, or an escape fueling a demand for all sorts of narcotics.hornydude said:
Here's my 2 cents on the whole johns/prostitute topic.
1 there is a demand for sex out there obviously. 2 people either pay for better quality (escorts ect.) or they look for better deals (street workers). It is a vicious circle. The girls get hooked on drugs and need to support that habit. Johns need sex and need to support that habit. Both are at fault and both are to blame. The Johns are not forcing the girls to do drugs to cope with that lifestyle (many 'pimps' get then on it and they are the real problem).
3rd not all the girls on the street would ever get hired by an escort agency. The fact is SP have been arounds for many years and will be around for many more.
1 there is a demand for sex out there obviously. 2 people either pay for better quality (escorts ect.) or they look for better deals (street workers). It is a vicious circle. The girls get hooked on drugs and need to support that habit. Johns need sex and need to support that habit. Both are at fault and both are to blame. The Johns are not forcing the girls to do drugs to cope with that lifestyle (many 'pimps' get then on it and they are the real problem).
3rd not all the girls on the street would ever get hired by an escort agency. The fact is SP have been arounds for many years and will be around for many more.
Not sw's are that terribly bad! I worked on the streets last summer.. There is alot of drug addicts that for sure but there is alot of desperate single mothers needing rent money.. There is alot of very beautiful girls that could do very well at an agancy but the thing with working on the street is it's quick there's not f*cking around guys know why your there you do the deed you got your money done! It's quick money!
Many thanks to those who replied to my question.
Here's a follow-up: What is considered low versus mid track? Specifically, what is the area around Franklin/Commercial/Pandora/Salisbury, and what sort of rates can one expect there? I've heard of some pooners getting action for a green or even less on the low track, but that's a little too down-market for me. The area I allude to above seems a bit more 'upscale'.....is that right?
Here's a follow-up: What is considered low versus mid track? Specifically, what is the area around Franklin/Commercial/Pandora/Salisbury, and what sort of rates can one expect there? I've heard of some pooners getting action for a green or even less on the low track, but that's a little too down-market for me. The area I allude to above seems a bit more 'upscale'.....is that right?
It really verys in the area.. some of the blonds that work between woodland and mclane charge up words of 300 (Lisa, Angel those girls) but up a few blocks past commercial there's girls that work for 40..
the thing with the low track is the girls there are mainly addicts and lower quality . It is sad to go there because many of them are in very bad conditions. I personally do not recommend going down there too much if you are the average joe because once you are down there, there are a lot of wierdo and I mean a lot. You don't want to risk anything. Heard horror stories where girls will steal money, threaten, and also not deliver. Again, there are good stories where girls will do almost anything for $10 bucks.
With regards to SW or SP, there is no one to blame. Basically it is all business! Johns are willing to pay, they are not forcing them, girls are willing to go at it. So I think there is no fault. The dumbest thing is that all our tax dollars go to welfare recipients and they use the money to go buy drugs. Basically the normal citizen is helping drug dealers get rich. The poor will mainly use the money to go gamble or get high with welfare money and in the end, they sell themselves.
With regards to SW or SP, there is no one to blame. Basically it is all business! Johns are willing to pay, they are not forcing them, girls are willing to go at it. So I think there is no fault. The dumbest thing is that all our tax dollars go to welfare recipients and they use the money to go buy drugs. Basically the normal citizen is helping drug dealers get rich. The poor will mainly use the money to go gamble or get high with welfare money and in the end, they sell themselves.
There is an unbelievable amount of crap spoken and written over the issue of prostitution. Basically it should boil down to this one question: is there a victim or not? If it is two consenting adults then there is no victim, therefore no crime has been committed. Period, end of story.
Juveniles cannot be considered to be making informed decisions so no one under 18 years of age should be part of the discussion.
Juveniles cannot be considered to be making informed decisions so no one under 18 years of age should be part of the discussion.
