2024 Canadian Political Thread

[80watts]

yeah, so would Alberta if it wasn't being used as a cash cow for the rest of the country

Denmark, Norway are like an individual province here or a small single state in the U.S.

hardly comparable

just like the simpletons who keep trying to link Norway's oil fund to AB's and say, why can't AB have that much

and they aren't really socialists, they have free market economies, go look at their school choices compared to Canada, where the socialists, teachers unions, don't want you to have a choice

and details, go look at the tax breaks, subsidies, tax credits, ect.... it's not as bad as the socialists here try to tell people to convince them that we should be doing it here

and if you look, the Turd has pretty much upped our top tax including the provincial rates to be as high as them, so we're already in the same territory as Denmark, Norway

and it's really working here, right?

equity gaps?

is that your speak for they are all pretty much whitey?

take all the margarine people out of the equation here, cause after all they just can't compete with whitey, at least that's what the Turd says, NDP

are we not in the "equity gap" too?

afraid of commies? you mean wannabe dictators, like the Turd, who doesn't think the law applies to him? that the constitution doesn't apply to people who don't agree with him? Truckers

go read about the TMU medical school discrimination being proposed by the socialists

afraid, no, sad, yes, that people think a race to the bottom by using ethnicity/gender/other DEI bullshit rather than one's character/abilities/intelligence

is "progressive"

anymore than taxing people into poverty, the line at the food bank, homelessness, never being able to retire

is progressive, so you can delude yourself into thinking you're leveling the playing field

I don't need to disagree

reality is doing it for me

Choices.
The Albertans choose to make the fund to support things for future Albertans. They also decided to not have Albertans pay provincial tax. So more oil dollars went into the provincial budget. The Albertans could of had a similiar fund as the Norweigans, but decided not to.
The Norweigans fund could only use a % of the interest made on the fund. Revenue - Expenses; about 80% of renvenue went into the fund. Thus more money went into the principle of the fund. Hence it turned into a Trillion dollar fund.
So the politicians made a bad decision in Alberta...

Also Denmark, Norway, Sweden are mostly socialist countries, but they have lesser infrastructure than Canada does. Canada being so big, more roads, more transportation (gas tax originally was to support maintaining roads, but was put into gen revenue because it made so much).

And that crap about the TMU is most likely going through, because the idiot supreme Court of Canada has issues with the wording of what equal is...

"But not in Canada. “Every individual is equal before and under the law,” says the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, “and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination …” But the Supreme Court of Canada has long insisted that the clause does not mean equal treatment but equity." National post.https://aristotlefoundation.org/col...ool-some-students-are-more-equal-than-others/

People are waking up to what happened 30 years ago, and saying "shit this happened"

Pretty much everything we see happening today, that we don't like; happened in a court room 30 years ago....

PS I wonder if the people of Canada are allowed to water-board the supreme court, to actually get the truth out of them......Its not like I'm saying that all the supreme court assholes are socialist in wolf clothing....

Maybe change the court to 1 person from each province and territory (so increase supreme court to 12 or so)... Again 3 of 9 are from Quebec.

 

[Crookedmember]

yeah, so would Alberta if it wasn't being used as a cash cow for the rest of the country

Denmark, Norway are like an individual province here or a small single state in the U.S.

hardly comparable

just like the simpletons who keep trying to link Norway's oil fund to AB's and say, why can't AB have that much

Oh what a pile of fetid horseshit. Not a dime of Alberta resource revenue goes to the rest of Canada. Albertans pay federal income tax like every other Canadian, but there is no transfer of cash from Alberta to Ottawa.

Alberta could be like Norway. Peter Lougheed created the Heritage Fund for that reason. Unfortunately, Lougheed was the last Conservative Premier with brains.

Future Conservative premiers plundered the fund rather than contribute to it.

The Heritage Fund could be as large as Norway's Sovereign Wealth fund, but Albertans are in the habit of electing kooks and drunks who would rather pick fights with Ottawa and hand out Ralph Bucks.

The other problem is those same Conservative regimes gave away most of Alberta's oil production to the Americans. Something like 75% of Alberta's oil wealth flows to the US.

Stupid is as stupid does. And Jesus Christ, Alberta really is stupid.

 

[rlock]

Oh what a pile of fetid horseshit. Not a dime of Alberta resource revenue goes to the rest of Canada. Albertans pay federal income tax like every other Canadian, but there is no transfer of cash from Alberta to Ottawa.

Alberta could be like Norway. Peter Lougheed created the Heritage Fund for that reason. Unfortunately, Lougheed was the last Conservative Premier with brains.

Future Conservative premiers plundered the fund rather than contribute to it.

The Heritage Fund could be as large as Norway's Sovereign Wealth fund, but Albertans are in the habit of electing kooks and drunks who would rather pick fights with Ottawa and hand out Ralph Bucks.

The other problem is those same Conservative regimes gave away most of Alberta's oil production to the Americans. Something like 75% of Alberta's oil wealth flows to the US.

Stupid is as stupid does. And Jesus Christ, Alberta really is stupid.

Exactly. BC is so sick of their egotistical attitude. Whiny "poor me" bullshit some years, their bragging bullshit in other years. And their fucked up superstitions are increasing every year. They cry hardship but have never known it, and somehow always have plenty of money to buy media coverage for their militant nonsense.
Albertans did very little with what wealth they extracted, squandered most of it in the USA rather than invest it in this country's self-reliance; nobody took it from them unjustly. Could have collected enough royalties, but didn't. Premiers like Stelmack who tried to got whacked by the oil bosses straight away. Could have saved what little they did collect in royalties, but didn't and used their savings as a slush fund to celebrate themselves.
This is oil brain at work - it's like economic cocaine. When they were mainly farmers, they didn't act that way - obnoxious, ungrateful, thinking they're immune to reality, and then comes the wild flailing tantrums when things do not go their way. "Oh, it's all Ottawa's fault! Toronto's, Vancouver's, and Montreal's - especially Montreal where they speak the devil's language !"
If they even are fucked (very doubtful), then they fucked themselves, and BC does not want any part of a "western Canada" movement where they are the boss of it.
The last Albertan PM (Harper) was a nightmare for Canada, and tried to play dictator and run Canada right into the ground - the next one (Poilievre, who is from Calgary not Ottawa) would be worse.

 

[rlock]

This is the path set by the BC Liberals and the Socreds before them that the BC Cons want to continue - unhindered real estate as primary industry and seeking foreign capital investment no matter what the cost.
The NDP has continued the policy IMO, but at least made some attempts to mitigate the negative effects. I still think the whole policy as short sighted and will prove ephemeral. Industrial development done in a sustainable fashion would pay longer term dividends.

Very true. The alliance between real estate development / speculation / money laundering in the urban areas, and everywhere else letting dirty industries do long term damage that is self-defeating so their shareholder dividends do not get reduced today.

At least once upon a time you could count on the right in BC to build things, but these days they are all about destroying things or preserving the pattern of self-destruction, at any cost.

The NDP are just the flip side of that same coin, the union side instead of the management side. Oh sure, some token "social justice" stuff gets thrown in, but they are easily bought off just by the fear of that backlash among union supporters who also never think beyond their next contract negotiation. And the "social justice" dogma leads them to some very absurd decisions at times.

 

[rlock]

that's my point, unless you get China/India to reduce, which they can't, which they've stated they won't, over and over, cause they haven't even come close to giving half their populations

the same luxuries, heat/electricity/cars/air travel/economics to have good paying jobs, like the west

if they ever do, it would become pointless for Canada to bother doing anything

it would be like spitting on the Jasper fire and expecting it to go out

China isn't going to listen to anyone, unless you force them to, by making it in their interest

stopping dealing with them, Europe/U.S. then they might start to listen, cause the 3rd world doesn't have enough money to sustain their needs

This much is true, at least. But they are all vulnerable if their ability to export (and undercut us) dries up.
Instead of killing our carbon taxes, impose carbon tariffs on them, and they will no longer be able to undercut us while remaining dirty.
But if we do that, it also means we have to clean up our grid, and that is where such revenues need to go (not half-assed rebates while we still subsidize the kind of energy projects we should no longer have).

Our fossil fuel big-wigs of course would rather burn all of Canada down than let this transition take place, even if it means the China and India problem never goes away. As it is, those nations are investing in cleaner energy, though not without keeping the dirty kind as they do, and that is the problem.

But 25 years from now, they're going to be flush with cleaner energy and we'll have wasted all this time when we had the clean energy advantage to start with, by not actually investing in the cleaner energy while we could have. That takes a singular will to get it done, and willpower is what our politicians lack - they are still clinging to the apron strings of their fossil fuel sponsors. Either taking their orders directly, or else afraid to challenge them openly.

It's really quite pathetic, the drive to declare "business as usual", when business can never really be "as usual" if it wants to survive.

 

[rlock]

Well, looks like they are still going to slap duct tape on that gash in the side of the Titanic and try to keep on sailing ...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/tru...g-and-united-despite-caucus-dissent-1.7083855

Like "just smile and it will all fix itself on its own", at least that is the message from the PMO. He should have resigned after 2021 turned out no better 2019; he should have been made to resign.


Meanwhile Christy Clark wants in ?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/for...onversation-on-liberal-party-future-1.7081624

🤣

 

[masterpoonhunter]

Daniel Smith is a joke. Might have been an OK radio announcer but lacks any leadership skills. Seeing her and the ultra right wing do what they do makes me ashamed to have come from Alberta.
Meanwhile Christy Clark thinks she should get a shot at being PM.
For FUCKS Sake
Remember when she organized a kumbaya yoga party on what, the Granville Street Bridge? On the then Aboriginal Day? Twit is the only word that could describe her.
The only individual out there that shows even an inkling of leadership skills is Mark Carney but why would he want that kind of job.
It all sucks!

 

[masterblaster]

Well, looks like they are still going to slap duct tape on that gash in the side of the Titanic and try to keep on sailing ...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/tru...g-and-united-despite-caucus-dissent-1.7083855

Like "just smile and it will all fix itself on its own", at least that is the message from the PMO. He should have resigned after 2021 turned out no better 2019; he should have been made to resign.


Meanwhile Christy Clark wants in ?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/for...onversation-on-liberal-party-future-1.7081624

🤣

To my way of thinking it will be more satisfying to see Trudeau voted out of office rather than being forced to quit by his caucus.

 

[uncleg]

To my way of thinking it will be more satisfying to see Trudeau voted out of office rather than being forced to quit by his caucus.

Oh ya......

 

[overdone]

Daniel Smith is a joke. Might have been an OK radio announcer but lacks any leadership skills. Seeing her and the ultra right wing do what they do makes me ashamed to have come from Alberta.

list them, all the ultra right wing things they are doing

what is it that you think they are, cause I live in AB, I don't see anything that would be considered "ultra"

you sound like the useful idiots from the CBC/Star, repeating the talking points of the Liberal cult members, the one's they send out to lie about Pierre and all the nasty Nazi things he's going to do to Canada

list them, it should be easy, obvious

 

[Crookedmember]

To my way of thinking it will be more satisfying to see Trudeau voted out of office rather than being forced to quit by his caucus.

Trudeau has beaten 3 CPC leaders so far, so I wouldn't bet the farm that he'll be defeated next year. Of course, I wouldn't bet the farm he won't be defeated either.

Poilievre is hiding something; this is why he's afraid of the background checks required for security clearance. So there is a good chance he'll self-destruct before the next election.

Michael Chong basically just admitted PeePee is hiding something.

So I guess the old explanation that Poilievre was turning down security clearance so he could "speak freely" was just so much bullshit. Just more lies from a liar.

 

[appleomac]

Trudeau will win again in '25.

Trudeau has beaten 3 CPC leaders so far, so I wouldn't bet the farm that he'll be defeated next year. Of course, I wouldn't bet the farm he won't be defeated either.

LOL! Apparently even the the most hardcore Lib zealots are starting to change their tune about Dear Leader! LOL

 

[overdone]

Trudeau has beaten 3 CPC leaders so far, so I wouldn't bet the farm that he'll be defeated next year. Of course, I wouldn't bet the farm he won't be defeated either.

Poilievre is hiding something; this is why he's afraid of the background checks required for security clearance. So there is a good chance he'll self-destruct before the next election.

Michael Chong basically just admitted PeePee is hiding something.

So I guess the old explanation that Poilievre was turning down security clearance so he could "speak freely" was just so much bullshit. Just more lies from a liar.



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haha, so you think someone, who's possibly next in line to become the PM

is soooo fucking stupid, knowing, that they would need to pass a background check, eventually, if they become PM

is afraid and hiding something?

I guess you believe the Turd when he said he's going to "reflect"

on how he's fucked up our country in 9 short years too

and how he's the only one that can fix all

of the damage he's done

what chapter of Tru-Anon are you president of?

 

[overdone]

To my way of thinking it will be more satisfying to see Trudeau voted out of office rather than being forced to quit by his caucus.

did you see his little group of sycophants huddled around him yesterday?

the only one I recognized, was his butt buddy Miller and the Terrorist sympathizer with the Hijab, don't know her name

I couldn't name any of the others, can't even say I've seen them on the news before

but none of his main people were there

the one guy who did publicly speak out, about him leaving, from Atlantic Canada, now, he said, it's over

and he's going to concentrate on trying to keep his seat

so it looks like you'll be satisfied

cause there isn't anyone with even the slightest character or ethics in the Liberal Party of Canada right now, not that there was since the Turd became their dear leader

well, there was a couple, with some, they quit or got run over by a bus

 

[carvesg]

I don't like Trudeau version 2.0 and never liked version 1.0 .

2.0 has never come across as all that quick or that knowledgeable when answering about his policies . Always voted Blue...Never voted liberal at the federal level in my life .
With that said i find that calling him a Nazi is highly disingenuous as he and his bunch for all their faults are quite far from being the machiavelic evil that nazis were . People have to be better informed than that and read more about history before using false equivalency of that sort . Repeating crazy talking point read online or heard from Trudeau's political opponents' rhetoric doesn't make it true.

No need for that ...if you are trying to convince people to vote differently at the next election as he has screwed up enough in so many files to make a solid argument.

Calling him a Nazi would only incite people like me to vote for the twit to make a point . Which would be a shame....voting red ...me...id blame the extremism online

 

[Crookedmember]

haha, so you think someone, who's possibly next in line to become the PM

is soooo fucking stupid, knowing, that they would need to pass a background check, eventually, if they become PM

is afraid and hiding something?

I guess you believe the Turd when he said he's going to "reflect"

on how he's fucked up our country in 9 short years too

and how he's the only one that can fix all

of the damage he's done

what chapter of Tru-Anon are you president of?

Actually, even if someone as stupid as Pierre "Three Word Slogans" Poilievre becomes PM, there is no requirement for him to obtain security clearance.

He could continue to spew bullshit excuses. Which seem to satisfy his cult.

 

[Crookedmember]

My guess is the Liberals know the sordid details of Poilievre's past that prevent him from submitting to background checks.

There have been stories circulating Ottawa for years about Poilievre commingling with male prostitutes and his wife's involvement with drugs and South American crime.

I'd expect several October surprises in '25. Have your popcorn ready.

 

[Crookedmember]

I applaud this. It will be interesting to see if Poilievre can come up with a slogan that will successfully herd the anti-abortion freaks in his party. (I believe there are 86 of them)

OTTAWA — The NDP is taking aim at the Conservatives on abortion by putting forward a motion to call out what it calls a "creep" of legislation, petitions and threats aimed at reducing access to abortion.

Leader Jagmeet Singh says his party will use its next opposition day to force the House of Commons to debate and vote on a motion calling for urgent action to improve abortion access.

Singh claimed that anti-choice Conservative MPs are "often calling the shots" in the Official Opposition, and that leader Pierre Poilievre has "let his MPs bring in anti-choice laws, anti-choice motions."


"There is a real threat from the Conservatives," he said, speaking to the media at a news conference in Montreal.

The NDP in its press release cited several examples of what it called "anti-choice" moves from the Tories, including a petition presented earlier this year by a Conservative MP that claimed more than 98 per cent of abortions "are for reasons of social or personal convenience."

 

[masterblaster]

My guess is the Liberals know the sordid details of Poilievre's past that prevent him from submitting to background checks.

There have been stories circulating Ottawa for years about Poilievre commingling with male prostitutes and his wife's involvement with drugs and South American crime.

I'd expect several October surprises in '25. Have your popcorn ready.

Kind of like the story that Fidel Castro is actually Justin’s father.

 

[Crookedmember]

Kind of like the story that Fidel Castro is actually Justin’s father.

Nope, that rumor is dumb because Justin was born well before Margaret met Castro in '76(?).

But nobody can look at Poilievre and seriously believe he's straight. My gaydar is aflutter.

At any rate, PP is hiding something and sooner or later it's gonna come out.

Maybe come out of the closet, maybe come out of someplace else.