2023 Canadian Political Thread

[80watts]

from the penis thread.... thought I would put this here...

Some people's dislike for the monarchy....

I congratulate you all above as having little foresight.
A constitution monarchy has little power for the monarch, and all the stability of a well balanced government. A well balanced government where there are checks and limits to a persons power. The monarchs power is to enforce the rules set in place for the government.

When you open up a power vacuum, something must fill its place.

Looking at the Queen's reign for over 70 years, many countries have left the commonwealth.. peacefully. She tided political scandals with silence, and didn't take sides and acted as a counselor for her PMs. What was the Queen's power, she loved the people and put them first. Also i think it was because she was a woman, no man could ever of withstood the loss of ego as member of the commonwealth left. The power of the British government was in the Parliament under the direction of the PM and thus political scandal ended there at the parliament/PM level.

Is there a better form of government that has the ability to act fast, without the slowness of a democracy, and without just 1 person in power, without the checks and balances? Look at Russia and China and all those half asses dictators from Africa. Those countries have serious problems today. Not the least of invading or the want to invade another country. The history of dictators is not a good one. Look at Hitler and Stalin and Musolini.

Look at the country south of Canada, the USA. Look at the politics that is driving that country apart due to its position of president and vying for it every 4 years. How the each of the 2 main parties have radicals driving policies that are not good for all the citizens.

The rich families/corporations of the world, are like the royal families of history, intermarrying to keep control of the wealth and money.

The worlds power influence is shifting from USA (western allies/nato) to a dual configuration west vs east (china/Russia, Iran), with India in-between. With a breakdown of trade between these sides the world becomes more polarized and conflict becomes more plausible.

Here in Canada, the PM gets to appoint a Governor General with the approval of the monarch.

The PM also puts forward senators through the GG. (Seriouly an elected senate- say I want to be an American). Although I would say that the province should select them not the PM. This makes more sense. Add aboringinal senators (BC, northern, prairies, ont, que, eastern provinces). Again mostly the senate is divided by lib/conservative factions. Not the regional one outlined in constitution.

Alot of people are saying Canada dosen't need a monarchy. Maybe they should put forth a new model of government for Canada. One that has better checks and balances, along with the ability to act quickly in emergencies.

Biggest threat to Canada is the interpretation of law at the supreme court level. Its the star trek dilemma, where the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many and vis versa. The problem is that the needs of the individual/minority groups are outweighing the needs of the rest of the public/citizens/majority.

 

[80watts]

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As long as the rules allow for economic expansion, while the rest of the world madly burns oil and gas....
Something like 90-93 % of cars are still gas engines. All semis for long haul transport are diesel. Trains are diesel.
There is not enough electricity production to charge electric cars, electric semis, electric trains....
Problems is battery storage. Cost of batteries (high cost of rare earth metal etc).

Maybe in some dark hole of the government someone has a zero-point energy machine....

Again these standards won't be met. Its a wish list with no punch to back it up. Its so sad....🙁

 

[rlock]

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As long as the rules allow for economic expansion, while the rest of the world madly burns oil and gas....
Something like 90-93 % of cars are still gas engines. All semis for long haul transport are diesel. Trains are diesel.
There is not enough electricity production to charge electric cars, electric semis, electric trains....
Problems is battery storage. Cost of batteries (high cost of rare earth metal etc).

Maybe in some dark hole of the government someone has a zero-point energy machine....

Again these standards won't be met. Its a wish list with no punch to back it up. Its so sad....🙁

They could do a lot to get us there, but they won't. Cons have no intention of doing anything but going backwards on this issue, forever. The oil business pulls their puppet strings. Billions poured into digging in their heels politically, rather than just adapting their businesses. Deny, deflect, delay, and destroy the alternatives. Voters are not blind to what's going on and reject them over it, but they just double down on being wrong, rather than getting back to reality. Like I said, puppet strings.

The Libs and NDP like greenwashing, but not consistent meaningful action anyway. As you say their targets are aspirational. Some target for reduction is better than none, but forever saying "one day maybe we'll get there" without actually doing what is necessary is just wishful thinking. As long as they are giving rebates to make themselves look more generous, instead of pouring that carbon tax money into decarbonizing the energy grid, they are still just hoping industry & consumers will clean up on their own. Well consumers cannot rebuild the whole power grid! It takes long-term planning, and serious engineering. At the same time, they are still supporting fossil fuel projects with huge amounts of tax money, so whatever GHG reductions they might achieve, they wipe out by their own actions. It's absurd, but they are just counting on the Cons being worse, which they would be, but that's an excuse for complacency.

I can only think off one party that would have the balls to actually get this issue sorted (Greens), but can you see people jumping over to them as long as the leaders of the big two parties are so polarizing? Everyone is stuck trying to vote against the leader they think is the biggest asshole. Lose little or lose big.

 

[rlock]

from the penis thread.... thought I would put this here...

Some people's dislike for the monarchy....

I congratulate you all above as having little foresight.
A constitution monarchy has little power for the monarch, and all the stability of a well balanced government. A well balanced government where there are checks and limits to a persons power. The monarchs power is to enforce the rules set in place for the government.

When you open up a power vacuum, something must fill its place.

Alot of people are saying Canada dosen't need a monarchy. Maybe they should put forth a new model of government for Canada. One that has better checks and balances, along with the ability to act quickly in emergencies.

Biggest threat to Canada is the interpretation of law at the supreme court level. Its the star trek dilemma, where the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many and vis versa. The problem is that the needs of the individual/minority groups are outweighing the needs of the rest of the public/citizens/majority.

I am definitely a monarchist. I think people who talk shit about it have never taken a serious look at what it does, nor how republics have fared by comparison.

Sure, we need some imporvement politically / constitutionally, but I would never want too emulate the dumpster fire nightmare down south. Nor other republics like China, Russia, Iran, etc. - the world's worst monarchy might be Saudi Arabia, but what goes on there is nothing like what goes on here.
The world's best republic might be Germany, but their system is federal too, and their president is ceremonial, almost exactly like our Governor General (or a ceremonial monarch). Their chancellor is basically PM, and that's who actually runs things.

The indigenous argument is there to consider, but taking a look at actual history, the actual Crown was not the one to fuck them over - it was the elected officials who came up with all the bad ideas, and often in emulation of trendy bad practices done elsewhere.
Being a republic would in all likelihood exposed them to even more betrayal and abuses, perhaps even outright genocide. Republics have a way of acting without any restraint, and the history of the Americas is full of terrible precedents, so you'd be wrong to only look at Canada to judge how bad things have been or could be.

Of course, we could have an elected Senate as an improvement, if only we could agree on what form it would take, and that is where the idea people want has fallen down from 1867 until now. (Yup, it's been talked about for that long).

We could have a better electoral system too - that's never far from peoples' minds, considering what a polarized shit-fest our current politics are like. That's a global trend, but if you understand just how much of that ugliness is driven by seeking short term tactical advantages, you'd see how FPTP locks them all into dishonesty and negativity, as well as making the party leaders so all-important (almost presidential) in their powers.

I'm glad we have appointed judges in Canada, not elected / partisan ones, but I am also glad we do not make those Supreme Court appointments judges for life.

 

[Forum mod]

The next year or two and the next election will be interesting. The conservatives are opening up quite a lead on the Liberals in the polls, however Poilievre has a lower approval rating that Justin Haircut. PP is really unpopular among females and those under 35. They are working night and day to make him more approachable and less like a stormtrooper. Wonder if they'd dump him for a more electable leader at the 11th hour. He's still more charismatic than Stephen Harper and we elected that bag of crap more than once. Probably will stick with PP and they'll likely still win unless Trudeau stops turning everything he touches to shit. We don't historically like governments that last more than 10 years and swing back and forth like a reliable pendulum.

 

[80watts]

This is gonna be a interesting court case. I think this case is alot more than his right to speak his mind. I actually watched his utube video on why he decided to go to court. The man was very livid...

 

[LLLurkJ2]

The next year or two and the next election will be interesting. The conservatives are opening up quite a lead on the Liberals in the polls, however Poilievre has a lower approval rating that Justin Haircut. PP is really unpopular among females and those under 35. They are working night and day to make him more approachable and less like a stormtrooper. Wonder if they'd dump him for a more electable leader at the 11th hour. He's still more charismatic than Stephen Harper and we elected that bag of crap more than once. Probably will stick with PP and they'll likely still win unless Trudeau stops turning everything he touches to shit. We don't historically like governments that last more than 10 years and swing back and forth like a reliable pendulum.

In Canada as in many other countries, its not your platform that wins but how much the other guys fuck up instead.

 

[80watts]

There are many problems in Canada right now, and a major one is jobs that pay well for the middle class. With rising interest rates and increase in inflation, middle class people are having a hard time to put food on the table.
The economy is diverse, but the major one is building construction, and yet Canada has a lack of low income housing.
House price today reflect on the practices of yesterday. Starting in the 80's a housing bubble started in Toronto and led to all the major cities. Where space was restrictive prices increased accordingly. It seems that every housing contractor wants to make a yearly wage on every single house. Not to say people flipping houses didn't contribute to the housing prices, but it did. Along with mortgage/broker and estimator scams, which banks went with anyway. In the 80s a nice large 4-5 bedroom cost 60-80,000. depending what city/town you were in. The outrages markets of Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver that price creep slowly moved to smaller cities and towns that is almost the equivalent of those major cities now. Those smaller town houses are cheaper, but not by much.

As for the political side of things, both Trudeau and that NDP guy will loose the next election, because right now the government has fucked up with its energy plan. No fucken way can Canada do that with over 90% of cars being gas fueled, lack of solar/wind projects, with no place to store that energy.

The conservatives will win the next election only if they keep their mouth shut and not talk about abortion and fucken religion and when they get to power not do anything to overturn our abortion laws as it stands. They could get rid of that stupid Islamic hatred law, as other laws about hate work just fine. But our country is a socialist country and the liberal and NDP still might form a minority government again due to the boundaries on electoral districts and types of voters in those districts.

 

[Forum mod]

This is gonna be a interesting court case. I think this case is alot more than his right to speak his mind. I actually watched his utube video on why he decided to go to court. The man was very livid...

Peterson is many things, some love him, some hate him, but he's not stupid. The college here has dramatically over reached its authority and he's going to embarrass the hell out of them here.

 

[rlock]

The next year or two and the next election will be interesting. The conservatives are opening up quite a lead on the Liberals in the polls, however Poilievre has a lower approval rating that Justin Haircut. PP is really unpopular among females and those under 35. They are working night and day to make him more approachable and less like a stormtrooper. Wonder if they'd dump him for a more electable leader at the 11th hour. He's still more charismatic than Stephen Harper and we elected that bag of crap more than once. Probably will stick with PP and they'll likely still win unless Trudeau stops turning everything he touches to shit. We don't historically like governments that last more than 10 years and swing back and forth like a reliable pendulum.

Well, that's the problem. Pee-pee is just a weaselly scumbag. Not a real boss villain (Harper), but more like the villain's irritating & mouthy toady. It's a common trope, but why on earth would anyone try that be that guy on purpose, as a PR strategy? IF Trudeau's really just some empty-headed pretty-boy, you'd think that just standing by some solid set of different ideals would be enough to defeat him. Nope - instead they decide the best way is to be exactly what the worst version of Liberal negative ads say they are. Deluded, hateful, crooked, and just rubbing their hands at the idea of gaining power and doing a bunch of shit almost nobody in Canada wanted. (As long as it's being done in America first.) To me, it really just seems like a symptom being too proud to admit they did anything wrong, or understand why they got defeated at all.

On the other hand, I often want to slap the Trudeau Liberals in the mouth, because they could be easily defeating Poilievre and his "fuck reality" party, if they just acted more decisive and competent themselves.

Seriously, they get tripped up on the dumbest shit. Not the "how dare Trudeau blah blah blah!" bullshit that the CPC is always ragging on. No, it's the little annoyances, and above all, their indecision. Their is no plan, or if there is, none but Trudau's 2 or 3 advisors knows what it is. Their problem seems to be thinking they can forever do things half-assed, as long as they sound fashionably empathetic while doing it. In 2015, they had it all, the golden ticket, and what did the Libs do with that? They muddled. They fucked around. They chickened out on their best ideas, because they were afraid of having to take a strong position on something and actually stick to it.

The thing that pisses me off in general is knowing that instead of debating ideas, policies, the future of this country, we'll just see this "clash of personalities" shit. And a lot of stupid memes that only their own supporters think are funny or clever. Blah blah blah. All just noise. When political parties have nothing legitimate to say about their own beliefs, or their enemies', then they try to make everything about the leaders. Framing this as a contest between leaders - a creep, a peacock, and a care bear - is a disservice to voters, because none of them are actually well liked by Canadians anyway.

Be smarter than that. Ask yourselves, if the leader of each party suddenly dropped dead, would that be a bad thing or a good thing for that party? Which is really a way of asking yourself who would replace them, and whether what they would supposedly believe is really just the current leader's cult of personality.

 

[licks2nite]

Smoke choked US blog posters complain that Canadians don't build fire breaks.

I say technically challenged Canadians, that long lost their manufacturing economy and suffered decades of exodus of skilled labour chasing good jobs, don't know how to build fire breaks or even recognize that fire breaks impede spread of fire. And if they do, don't have the authority to do anything.

 

[westwoody]

PP is nothing but a front man for Harper and his IDU buddies. They are the real globalists that you should be worried about.
Canadians generally don’t have any clue about politics. They can blab on for hours about the PM’s marriage but know nothing about inter provincial transfer payments or jurisdiction issues. I bet one in ten can name their city councillor or provincial MLA.

 

[Larry's Torch]

From 4 montha ago.

Time stamp 6:00-7:02

Just shows how the "standards" are arbitrarily applied.

 

[Larry's Torch]

(snip)
. . .instead of debating ideas, policies, the future of this country, we'll just see this "clash of personalities" shit.
(snip)

Pretty much sums up politics for the las 200 or so years.

 

[80watts]

I guess everything is grey. The Canadian Charter of Rights is not black and white. Your right to freedom of expression can be infringed apon; and you have to pay a 25,000 dollar fine. The courts are playing politics and this decision is so wishy-washy it stinks. Its a message to "keep people in line" from all respective "professional colleges" vs a person right to freedom of expression (free speech).

There are alot of people in alot of professions that have to bite their tongues or face the consequences of their "Board of Discipline". And because they need their jobs they keep quiet (the silent majority).

If you repeat the "mantra" enough times, it begins to be true. When you make people say it or write it down, it will eventually become fact even though the person does not think so, but their works makes them say it or write it down, because its company policy. If you go against company policy, no promotion etc etc....

There is only so much Bull Shit people are going to put up with!

 

[80watts]

PP is nothing but a front man for Harper and his IDU buddies. They are the real globalists that you should be worried about.
Canadians generally don’t have any clue about politics. They can blab on for hours about the PM’s marriage but know nothing about inter provincial transfer payments or jurisdiction issues. I bet one in ten can name their city councillor or provincial MLA.

Skippy vs LemonNoHead

LemonNoHead has fucked too much with this country.

Skippy will win, if he keeps Canadians and (Canada first policy) as the #1 objective, and keep the same laws on abortion (don't fucken change them). Keep religion out of politics. Stick to the business side of things and promote Canada and Canadian businesses. Manufacturing, Environment (companies clean up their waste), Recycling (recycle more plastics (science and technology has improved for this area), less shit in landfills, mine old landfills). Clean water and ways to get clean water.

Personally I always though Skippy was a derogatory nickname.
As for LemonNoHead. He is Yellow (hiding behind his office and others in government) and his wife left him because he dressed her up in cosplay too often (India), hence no head...

The future for Canada is for Canada to invest in its own people. Clean up the Environment. Recycling of all materials. Canada is a Energy powerhouse, if it had the manufacturing to make it so (Solar, wind, nuclear, and geothermal and hydro). Manufacturing is 3D, on printers. Canada will need megaprojects for transportation between cities (high speed rail), cargo. With climate change, Canada will need to police the North West Passage, not just ship patrols but have land based areas to base the patrols from regardless of season (hovercraft and ships and airplanes). Canada will also need pipelines, not just oil, but water pipelines/canals.

Above all get a simpler tax system. Flat rate it, no deductions.
Environmental impact- no longer than 6 months to complete. To fast track projects.
Canada also need a top notch health research system outside of universities.
Canadian health records to be maintained in Canada, not in the US, employ Canadians not Americans.

 

[rlock]

Skippy vs LemonNoHead

LemonNoHead has fucked too much with this country.

Skippy will win, if he keeps Canadians and (Canada first policy) as the #1 objective, and keep the same laws on abortion (don't fucken change them). Keep religion out of politics. Stick to the business side of things and promote Canada and Canadian businesses. Manufacturing, Environment (companies clean up their waste), Recycling (recycle more plastics (science and technology has improved for this area), less shit in landfills, mine old landfills). Clean water and ways to get clean water.

Personally I always though Skippy was a derogatory nickname.
As for LemonNoHead. He is Yellow (hiding behind his office and others in government) and his wife left him because he dressed her up in cosplay too often (India), hence no head...

The future for Canada is for Canada to invest in its own people. Clean up the Environment. Recycling of all materials. Canada is a Energy powerhouse, if it had the manufacturing to make it so (Solar, wind, nuclear, and geothermal and hydro). Manufacturing is 3D, on printers. Canada will need megaprojects for transportation between cities (high speed rail), cargo. With climate change, Canada will need to police the North West Passage, not just ship patrols but have land based areas to base the patrols from regardless of season (hovercraft and ships and airplanes). Canada will also need pipelines, not just oil, but water pipelines/canals.

Above all get a simpler tax system. Flat rate it, no deductions.
Environmental impact- no longer than 6 months to complete. To fast track projects.
Canada also need a top notch health research system outside of universities.
Canadian health records to be maintained in Canada, not in the US, employ Canadians not Americans.

Yes, they could probably beat the Liberals on just one or two other issues, but they are just not that sort of party anymore. Clean water, recycling, protecting the food supply, forward-looking economic plans, real criminal justice reforms, etc. - they will never be about that. If the CPC wanted to take a path of being reasonable & sane, they could have stuck with O'Toole.

Instead, they got rid of him because they wanted to be MAGA Junior: gun mania, climate denial, conspiracy theories, race baiting & incel winking, convoy nazis, sovereign citizen lunacy. Basically their preference was for all the worst political sewage from the USA to overflow and cover Canada too.

Poilievre will not be the one to change that for the better, when he has been all-in for the hardcore lunatic side of the party for years, and then doubled down on it as CPC leader. Sure, he's trying some bullshit makeover campaign right now, but who the fuck would be dumb enough to believe that? No amount of Trudeau trolling, bot networks, or puff pieces from a shilling news media (some of which are US owned) can polish that turd.

All the CPC seem to offer Canada is insanity & disaster - the more you look at them, the more clear it becomes.

If only, if only. There's no "if only" for these parties and these leaders. They are what they are.
Canadians are stuck choosing between the mediocrity of one and the anti-Canadian hellspawn that is the other.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

Yes, they could probably beat the Liberals on just one or two other issues, but they are just not that sort of party anymore. Clean water, recycling, protecting the food supply, forward-looking economic plans, real criminal justice reforms, etc. - they will never be about that. If the CPC wanted to take a path of being reasonable & sane, they could have stuck with O'Toole.

Instead, they got rid of him because they wanted to be MAGA Junior: gun mania, climate denial, conspiracy theories, race baiting & incel winking, convoy nazis, sovereign citizen lunacy. Basically their preference was for all the worst political sewage from the USA to overflow and cover Canada too.

Poilievre will not be the one to change that for the better, when he has been all-in for the hardcore lunatic side of the party for years, and then doubled down on it as CPC leader. Sure, he's trying some bullshit makeover campaign right now, but who the fuck would be dumb enough to believe that? No amount of Trudeau trolling, bot networks, or puff pieces from a shilling news media (some of which are US owned) can polish that turd.

All the CPC seem to offer Canada is insanity & disaster - the more you look at them, the more clear it becomes.

If only, if only. There's no "if only" for these parties and these leaders. They are what they are.
Canadians are stuck choosing between the mediocrity of one and the anti-Canadian hellspawn that is the other.

YES what our fellow pooner wrote.

This old boy used to be a card carrying member of the old "Free the West" movements in the early 80's. Pretty right of center on most topics, definitely a conservative. But at that time there were real leaders. Peter Lougheed for one, and although I could not stand him, Trudeau the first. These were leaders not at all like the bull shit we have today. At least at that time there was a degree of accountability and responsibility to the welfare of the country. But today, all the parties shift to try to stay in power, stay with the populace misguided or not. Hell the GOP in the US used to be the good guys and look at it today. For fucks sake!

Look at the various crises we have today. Ever widening wealth disparity. A judicial system completely out of touch with the criminal system. Runaway costs of everyday items. Inner cities being taken over by homelessness and the despair that brings. Climate Boiling! Add up the costs of the wildfire season just in BC this year. How many homes and properties. How much of the forestry industry affected. What cost to commerce by road closures, loss of tourism, the hell the communities are being put through. And downstream costs of inhaling micro particles of wood ash. Where in the fuck is our leadership? Impotent, useless, fucks. And we put them there by our lack of voting responsibly, by being lazy fucks and not giving a fucking shit. Are any of these political hacks doing anything meaningful. No, just pushing their fucking paper around, never answering anything straight up, shuffling this and that, spending our taxpayer money on this and that, nothing that is going to make a difference nothing fixing anything anymore. If I wasn't such an optimist I would get downright fucking depressed. And has anything changed in almost 50 years?

I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore! Speech from Network (1976) - YouTube

 

[Drjohn]

PP is nothing but a front man for Harper and his IDU buddies. They are the real globalists that you should be worried about.
Canadians generally don’t have any clue about politics. They can blab on for hours about the PM’s marriage but know nothing about inter provincial transfer payments or jurisdiction issues. I bet one in ten can name their city councillor or provincial MLA.

I would take a monkey or a bag of hockey pucks over Trudeau and his crew of virtue signaling clowns.
Justin has the rare ability to be a sanctimonious, condescending empty suit and devious shape shifting liar at the same time.
Liberal economic policies are causing deep damage in multiple areas.
If you're a fan of inflation, crumbling infrastructure and declining public services, make sure you vote Liberal in the next election.

 

[Wakeup]

Speaking of forest fires I saw Coulson Aviation based in port alberni got a 10 year contract with the US for their H130s, 737s and helicopters. 6 other companies also got the 10 year contracts . Bombardier is building bombers along the lines of the martin mars , the new planes will scoop and fill in 12 seconds apparently, all orders so far are for Europe. Hmmm. Build em here and send them away! Guess we don't need any fast reactors.