2019 Election thread
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Lots of talk about coalitions on the Liberal side to retain power. What about Bernier and the PPC and the Bloc Québécois?
Does Bernier plug his nose and support the Cons? There could be a reemergence of the Bloc. The NDP did very well in Quebec last election and different news organizations are forecasting a loss of seats. Does the Bloc support Cons or Libs? In the Mulroney era a number of Quebec Cons were affiliated with the Bloc.
Does Bernier plug his nose and support the Cons? There could be a reemergence of the Bloc. The NDP did very well in Quebec last election and different news organizations are forecasting a loss of seats. Does the Bloc support Cons or Libs? In the Mulroney era a number of Quebec Cons were affiliated with the Bloc.
But Mulroney's party doesn't exist anymore, so that's easily not relevant. Could be, like for many of us, the CPC (unlike the PCs) is a bridge too far for the Bloc.
Incorrect actually as the NDP did quite poorly in Quebec last election under Mulcair,which is why he went through a leadership review and got the boot.Under Layton the NDP had the Orange Wave in 2011 which saw the Liberals decimated in Quebec.
The reason why Layton made those gains was how he campaigned and it was deceptive because in practically every riding Quebecers got hood winked into thinking Layton was their MP.
Notley ran the same type of campaign in Alberta with only her name on the signs with the exception of a handfull of high profile candidates.All through that election the NDP website had the names of the candidates running in each riding and as soon
as the election results were known ALL of that info vanished from the website as the |NDP were in damage control.The NDP did not properly vet all of their candidates like Deb Drever the beer box bimbo or the guy that had sworn allegiance to Hugo Chavez on a youtube video and so on.
I see the NDP and Liberals losing seats in Quebec to a resurgent Bloc.
SR
Cool. So if the Bloc is more likely to steal voters from the NDP and Liberals, then that means they're more ideologically aligned, which means the Bloc would be happy to be part of the NDP-Green-Liberal coalition. Sounding like the Conservatives don't stand a chance.
They exist to help people forget that the Reform was also a radical fringe party.
It's simple...........
Just vote liberals.......................
Out of office!
There you go, my diatribe, rhetoric, conspiracy theory destroying statement
all in a few words.
How simple.
Just vote liberals.......................
Out of office!
There you go, my diatribe, rhetoric, conspiracy theory destroying statement
all in a few words.
How simple.
Hope all the NDP and liberal supporters aren’t driven to jump off buildings when Scheer is elected prime minister.
lol, I've never seen Rebel Media in my life, ahaaaaa
neither tried to actually "Stay"
because that would involve having the Legislative branches reconvene, sit with those 2 Liberal caucuses in an attempt to gain the confidence of the legislative houses?
that would be them trying to "stay" in power
which is what the Liberals are yapping about
power at any cost
if they have any ethics, they should let Sheer, if he has more seats, let the house sit, defeat him with a no confidence vote, then go to the Governor General and propose his right to govern
let the people see he respects their vote
it's what someone with ethics would do
you think Sheer is bad?
MacKay is worse, he's the guy who brought in the current version of the Prostitution laws
he's an actual Bible Thumper
the stick is so far up his ass he couldn't have it removed if he wanted to, the surgery would kill him :heh:
Just do a simple Google search my friend, it is well documented. Christie's Liberals negotiated with the Greens to try and gain their support to stay in power. When that failed, she then went to the L.G. to ask for a new election. Instead the L.G. called in Horgan who had the Greens' support to form government and that government still governs. That is how the system works.
I think this has been a dismal election with mostly useless leaders.
Seriously, just one did not earn the "fuck you and the horse you rode in on" verdict from me.
Process of elimination:
The LIBERALS: If the issue was policy, they would probably win the election in a cakewalk. Middle of the road party, decent economic conditions, and at least some promises kept. Yet here they are, impaled on their own hubris, squandering every advantage they once had in every place they once had it. They straight-up broke their electoral reform promise, and thought it wouldn't matter (but it has them quite completely fucked today). Unlike the other scandals, the effect was not temporary. Trust was broken, and never returned. As for Trudeau, the guy's got terrible judgement. He ignores and then punishes Jody Wilson Raybould for trying to warn him that interfering in the SNC Lavalin case was a legal landmine. Surrounded by bad advisors like Butts, Telford, Wernick and Scott Brison, who clearly give him bad advance. The Vice-Adm. Mark Norman case was just as bad; dude saves the navy from being fucked by political interference, and his reward was to be put up on charges for basically slamming Scott Brison's dick in a door. Blackface or brownface or India dress-up? I don't think he's a real racist, but he's so in love with his own coolness he wants to perform for an audience, without thinking about what he's really doing. He's not Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder - he's Kirk Lazarus in Tropic Thunder. The Liberals are notorious for being indecisive fence-sitters, but Trudeau still thinks that, on personality alone, he can sell a pipeline policy that is absurdly both pro and anti oilsands at the same time; thus, Alberta blames him for not building it, and BC blames him for building it. Someone tell this fool that chemistry and physics aren't going to be compromising at some bargaining table. Even my own local MP, a Liberal, has really tried talking about problems rather than doing something to stop them. So while I can't buy into the "the Trudeau Liberals are the worst ever!" argument, what they are is mediocre. And mediocre doesn't get my vote.
CONSERVATIVES:
Scheer is a marshmallow. leading a party of unrepentant sociopaths. Charisma? He has none. Resolve? He's only resolved to continue exactly what the Cons were doing before. Even with all of his main opponent's foibles, Scheer actually lost support as he campaigned. He got overshadowed by Kenney and even the MIA Doug Ford. So who really leads the Conservatives in Canada? Clearly not him. He's got the puppet strings on him, from Alberta's bullshit "war room", and from Washington. For all of Scheer's mouthniness on the subject, the Chinese would smell a Trump proxy, and diss him even harder than Trudeau. The CPC are also unable to stop using the dirtiest of smear tactics and and trying to sneak scummy candidates under the radar (Heather Leung, for example). Last and biggest of all, the Conservatives are the party of Big Oil and total environmental destruction. Full stop. They simply do not give a fuck about climate change or anything else related to it. Denial is still the core of the party ideology, despite their recent paper-thin "plan" where somehow by doing absolutely nothing, GHG emissions magically reduce themselves as the oil industry keeps expanding. The Conservatives learned nothing from their defeat in 2015, about why they were defeated. They and their leader are still just sock puppets for Harperism; they made no effort to change, just to sell it harder and dirtier. It's not like there is nothing I agree with them on ideologically, but the bad stuff is just so fucking bad I'd have to slit my wrists in shame if I ever voted for them.
[WHITE] PEOPLE'S PARTY: Yeah, they're just Conservatives who are too bitter to keep their mouths in check. Despite the smear tactics Scheer is using to try and reclaim their voters, I have no sympathy for them. No vote from me.
NDP:
I've never voted NDP. They would only get a "consider" from me if the choice was really only between the Conservatives and them. Last election, Trudeau stole their "woke" SJW credentials, and this election they took it back. Does that leave them as anything other than the usual NDP ? Nope. But what about Jagmeet Singh ? Well, he proved to be an able debater, if by "able" you mean able to sound less robotic when reciting party talking points, and firing off "zingers". How clever. If this was some game show, maybe he'd deserve to be the winner. But it's a contest to see who can actually run Canada, and trendy shallow charm doesn't cut it. Don't believe me? Just ask all the people who aren't voting for Trudeau this time now that the "magic" has worn off. That the NDP was not wiped out (as many predicted) is a credit to Singh, for climbing a very tough hill. But I still see a party that would rather silence its members the same was as the Cons and Libs do. And the smear campaign the NDP waged against the Greens was despicable. Met the local candidate, and she seemed nice enough, but still no vote from me.
BLOC QUEBECOIS: Well, Blanchet is clearly a sharp guy, and I don't live in Quebec anyways, but I'm quite sure I would not be voting for them if I did. I wish they were not doing so well.
GREENS:
Well, this is almost certainly May's last campaign as leader. The Greens proved to have the best policies (IMHO), but they showed that they were not good campaigners. Climate change is the most important issue (by far), but I suspect someone gave May bad strategic advice that the way to not be a "single issue" party was to try and compete with the NDP and Libs on being "progressive". They could have shown that they were really a different party, not just way more committed on environmental issues, but also not willing to play the old game of "left versus right". May (along with Blanchet) tried to talk a more intellectual game in the debates, but she got crowded out and exasperated among other candidates who were just there to talk over each other and unleash their tag-lines. Repeating "Mission Possible" at every turn was also bad advice; a gimmick line like that can be said maybe 2-3 times, not 2 or 3 hundred. It wasn't that good. Does anyone want to make Greta Thunberg a Canadian citizen in time for the next election? She was not even in the race, or a native English speaker, and she was the one leader who was just killing it during our election. *sigh*
Well, the Greens got my vote, and I think (unfortunately) will also need my sympathy.
Seriously, just one did not earn the "fuck you and the horse you rode in on" verdict from me.
Process of elimination:
The LIBERALS: If the issue was policy, they would probably win the election in a cakewalk. Middle of the road party, decent economic conditions, and at least some promises kept. Yet here they are, impaled on their own hubris, squandering every advantage they once had in every place they once had it. They straight-up broke their electoral reform promise, and thought it wouldn't matter (but it has them quite completely fucked today). Unlike the other scandals, the effect was not temporary. Trust was broken, and never returned. As for Trudeau, the guy's got terrible judgement. He ignores and then punishes Jody Wilson Raybould for trying to warn him that interfering in the SNC Lavalin case was a legal landmine. Surrounded by bad advisors like Butts, Telford, Wernick and Scott Brison, who clearly give him bad advance. The Vice-Adm. Mark Norman case was just as bad; dude saves the navy from being fucked by political interference, and his reward was to be put up on charges for basically slamming Scott Brison's dick in a door. Blackface or brownface or India dress-up? I don't think he's a real racist, but he's so in love with his own coolness he wants to perform for an audience, without thinking about what he's really doing. He's not Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder - he's Kirk Lazarus in Tropic Thunder. The Liberals are notorious for being indecisive fence-sitters, but Trudeau still thinks that, on personality alone, he can sell a pipeline policy that is absurdly both pro and anti oilsands at the same time; thus, Alberta blames him for not building it, and BC blames him for building it. Someone tell this fool that chemistry and physics aren't going to be compromising at some bargaining table. Even my own local MP, a Liberal, has really tried talking about problems rather than doing something to stop them. So while I can't buy into the "the Trudeau Liberals are the worst ever!" argument, what they are is mediocre. And mediocre doesn't get my vote.
CONSERVATIVES:
Scheer is a marshmallow. leading a party of unrepentant sociopaths. Charisma? He has none. Resolve? He's only resolved to continue exactly what the Cons were doing before. Even with all of his main opponent's foibles, Scheer actually lost support as he campaigned. He got overshadowed by Kenney and even the MIA Doug Ford. So who really leads the Conservatives in Canada? Clearly not him. He's got the puppet strings on him, from Alberta's bullshit "war room", and from Washington. For all of Scheer's mouthniness on the subject, the Chinese would smell a Trump proxy, and diss him even harder than Trudeau. The CPC are also unable to stop using the dirtiest of smear tactics and and trying to sneak scummy candidates under the radar (Heather Leung, for example). Last and biggest of all, the Conservatives are the party of Big Oil and total environmental destruction. Full stop. They simply do not give a fuck about climate change or anything else related to it. Denial is still the core of the party ideology, despite their recent paper-thin "plan" where somehow by doing absolutely nothing, GHG emissions magically reduce themselves as the oil industry keeps expanding. The Conservatives learned nothing from their defeat in 2015, about why they were defeated. They and their leader are still just sock puppets for Harperism; they made no effort to change, just to sell it harder and dirtier. It's not like there is nothing I agree with them on ideologically, but the bad stuff is just so fucking bad I'd have to slit my wrists in shame if I ever voted for them.
[WHITE] PEOPLE'S PARTY: Yeah, they're just Conservatives who are too bitter to keep their mouths in check. Despite the smear tactics Scheer is using to try and reclaim their voters, I have no sympathy for them. No vote from me.
NDP:
I've never voted NDP. They would only get a "consider" from me if the choice was really only between the Conservatives and them. Last election, Trudeau stole their "woke" SJW credentials, and this election they took it back. Does that leave them as anything other than the usual NDP ? Nope. But what about Jagmeet Singh ? Well, he proved to be an able debater, if by "able" you mean able to sound less robotic when reciting party talking points, and firing off "zingers". How clever. If this was some game show, maybe he'd deserve to be the winner. But it's a contest to see who can actually run Canada, and trendy shallow charm doesn't cut it. Don't believe me? Just ask all the people who aren't voting for Trudeau this time now that the "magic" has worn off. That the NDP was not wiped out (as many predicted) is a credit to Singh, for climbing a very tough hill. But I still see a party that would rather silence its members the same was as the Cons and Libs do. And the smear campaign the NDP waged against the Greens was despicable. Met the local candidate, and she seemed nice enough, but still no vote from me.
BLOC QUEBECOIS: Well, Blanchet is clearly a sharp guy, and I don't live in Quebec anyways, but I'm quite sure I would not be voting for them if I did. I wish they were not doing so well.
GREENS:
Well, this is almost certainly May's last campaign as leader. The Greens proved to have the best policies (IMHO), but they showed that they were not good campaigners. Climate change is the most important issue (by far), but I suspect someone gave May bad strategic advice that the way to not be a "single issue" party was to try and compete with the NDP and Libs on being "progressive". They could have shown that they were really a different party, not just way more committed on environmental issues, but also not willing to play the old game of "left versus right". May (along with Blanchet) tried to talk a more intellectual game in the debates, but she got crowded out and exasperated among other candidates who were just there to talk over each other and unleash their tag-lines. Repeating "Mission Possible" at every turn was also bad advice; a gimmick line like that can be said maybe 2-3 times, not 2 or 3 hundred. It wasn't that good. Does anyone want to make Greta Thunberg a Canadian citizen in time for the next election? She was not even in the race, or a native English speaker, and she was the one leader who was just killing it during our election. *sigh*
Well, the Greens got my vote, and I think (unfortunately) will also need my sympathy.
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You know, one possibility that nobody talks about (in case neither left nor right can govern without the BQ as a partner) is a German-style "grand coalition" between the two big parties. They should consider it, though I'm 99% sure they won't.
I wouldn't be happy about it, since it means the two pro-TMX parties would then have the power to force it through, but I think it says something about Canada's fucked up politics that there's no way they put away their egos and lust for power to give the country some stability. Good thing the nation's not in a world war.
Also, I just want to say this:
1) This election will once again demonstrate why the First-Past-The-Post voting system is archaic and terrible - and why it should have been gone already. Just you wait and see, how the seats don't match the actual levels of support. Just wait and see how depressed voter turnout, strategic anti-voting, and wasted votes decide the outcome even more than policy or genuine leadership. And then watch the chaos that will probably result from a parliament where even a so-called "majority" party can't even make 40% of voter support. Shit, even the big two will be lucky to get 33% each.
2) The secret weapon of the Conservative Party is the Chinese. The Sikh voting bloc gets a lot of attention and is very much in the open, but in Metro Vancouver (and Toronto ?) nobody seems to pay much attention to Chinese people. Generally they are relatively affluent and business-oriented, socially traditionalist (some are very hardcore christian), and do not like leniency for street crime. All of this tends to steer them towards Conservative supporters, plus the other parties also under-represent them and do not make enough effort to campaign in Chinese. They may generate some surprise results if their turnout is high.
3) Turnout will be a very big story. The Conservatives always have the strongest get-out-the-vote efforts; older voters tend to vote more regularly, plus the Tories always have more money for outreach and transportation. The NDP (union groups and activist networks) and Liberals (pretty flush with cash, and ties to ethnic community groups) are very strong in some areas, but can they convince younger voters to go out in the rain and vote? The Greens probably have the least established "ground game", which is a paradox because they're also the most grassroots type of party. Pollsters can tell voting intentions, but turnout is always a mystery. Advance poll usage was very high, but that's because elections themselves seem to be changing, with more people wanting to vote early and more parties trying to get their voters to "lock in" support before anything can change their mind.
1) This election will once again demonstrate why the First-Past-The-Post voting system is archaic and terrible - and why it should have been gone already. Just you wait and see, how the seats don't match the actual levels of support. Just wait and see how depressed voter turnout, strategic anti-voting, and wasted votes decide the outcome even more than policy or genuine leadership. And then watch the chaos that will probably result from a parliament where even a so-called "majority" party can't even make 40% of voter support. Shit, even the big two will be lucky to get 33% each.
2) The secret weapon of the Conservative Party is the Chinese. The Sikh voting bloc gets a lot of attention and is very much in the open, but in Metro Vancouver (and Toronto ?) nobody seems to pay much attention to Chinese people. Generally they are relatively affluent and business-oriented, socially traditionalist (some are very hardcore christian), and do not like leniency for street crime. All of this tends to steer them towards Conservative supporters, plus the other parties also under-represent them and do not make enough effort to campaign in Chinese. They may generate some surprise results if their turnout is high.
3) Turnout will be a very big story. The Conservatives always have the strongest get-out-the-vote efforts; older voters tend to vote more regularly, plus the Tories always have more money for outreach and transportation. The NDP (union groups and activist networks) and Liberals (pretty flush with cash, and ties to ethnic community groups) are very strong in some areas, but can they convince younger voters to go out in the rain and vote? The Greens probably have the least established "ground game", which is a paradox because they're also the most grassroots type of party. Pollsters can tell voting intentions, but turnout is always a mystery. Advance poll usage was very high, but that's because elections themselves seem to be changing, with more people wanting to vote early and more parties trying to get their voters to "lock in" support before anything can change their mind.
Called it back in September a Turdeau win. As quite of few on here also knew.......Turdeau, once again, takes office for another 4 years. Granted, by minority, but nevertheless......he won. Question now.....will TMX get the go ahead, and will our energy ( oil ) sector struggle for another 4 yrs under him? This will be interesting.
As I predicted....a resurgent Bloc in Quebec to the cost of the Liberals and NDP.And the seat count is not over by far....the Conservative seat count will grow larger as polls close west of Ontario.
It will see a Minority Lieberal governmet maybe that wont have many choices....an NDP that most likely wont be able to prop them up and a Bloc that most likely WONT prop them up.The Green party and the PPC have the same chance of a fart vanishing into the wind of getting any seats for the nutbar Elizabeth May and ol Maxime Bernier has no chance of keeping his own seat much less get any other people elected.If anything he opted to save his ego and go down in a blaze of glory but it was not glorious....just kind of pathetic really....if he has more than 5 years in Parliament he is better off than any average Canadian as he will get to feed at the trough of the MP solid gold pension plan.
What bothers me most though is that after 4 years of really shitty governance that yet again so many Canadians chose "style" over "substance" and with all of the scandals well known and I wont list the scandals.
It truly blows my mind that Canadians gave this entitled disengenous prick a second mandate.
It matters not though as Trudeau is skating into a Canadian winter and he is on very thin ice.....try and pass a Confidence motion that pisses off the Bloc and the Conservatives pile on.
It will be sooner rather than later for the next federal election.....before that though Jagmeet Singh will LOSE a leadership review......my prediction.
SR
It will see a Minority Lieberal governmet maybe that wont have many choices....an NDP that most likely wont be able to prop them up and a Bloc that most likely WONT prop them up.The Green party and the PPC have the same chance of a fart vanishing into the wind of getting any seats for the nutbar Elizabeth May and ol Maxime Bernier has no chance of keeping his own seat much less get any other people elected.If anything he opted to save his ego and go down in a blaze of glory but it was not glorious....just kind of pathetic really....if he has more than 5 years in Parliament he is better off than any average Canadian as he will get to feed at the trough of the MP solid gold pension plan.
What bothers me most though is that after 4 years of really shitty governance that yet again so many Canadians chose "style" over "substance" and with all of the scandals well known and I wont list the scandals.
It truly blows my mind that Canadians gave this entitled disengenous prick a second mandate.
It matters not though as Trudeau is skating into a Canadian winter and he is on very thin ice.....try and pass a Confidence motion that pisses off the Bloc and the Conservatives pile on.
It will be sooner rather than later for the next federal election.....before that though Jagmeet Singh will LOSE a leadership review......my prediction.
SR
