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clu

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Still no reaction or opinions about Trudeau ducking out/dodging the biggest televised leaders debate for the hustings?

SR
What's to say? He's a write off. But he's got his ride or die supporters who will forgive him, just like every other party has.

I do find all the promises being made by the Liberals this month comically desperate, like the lazy boyfriend/girlfriend who's got wind their significant other has had enough of their shit and is about to kick them to the curb. Only, even if you are interested in what they're selling, what good is the word of a hypocrite?
 

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Oh so you care about the FACTS.The FACTS are that Omar Kadr was raised and LIVED in Syria.He was raised and bred to hate ALL western ideologies that were against his Jihadist Islamist beliefs....he was recorded and had videos shown on youtube on making IED's used to to kill INFIDELS.He lobbed a grenade at a MEDIC whose purpose on the field of battle is to administer/give aid to ALL wounded on the battlefield and who sports a BIG red CROSS who would have GIVEN aid to Omar Kadr but did not get the chance to do so as Omar Kadr blew him to bits.Omar Kadr CLAIMED Canadian citizenship as a way to save his ass and along the way enriched himself by the means of a Lieberal government that thinks nothing about it.Comes down to brass tacks.....some guy lost the balls to shoot that jihadi POS in the forehead as he deserved.

He got wakened each night whilst in custody in Gitmo.....he was not waterboarded or tortured....life was just uncomfortable....he still got 3 hot meals a day which is a fuck of a lot MORE than Canadian Veterans get....and then the fucking scumbag MURDERING TERRORIST gets 10.5 MILLION from tax payers thanks to Trudeau whilst our veterans get fuck all because "Canada cant afford it right now"......per Justin Trudeau....look it up!A town hall in Edmonton....same one when Trudeau mansplains to the gal with the utter bullshit nonsensical does not exist in the dictionary word of "peoplekind".

If you are all for that then the very mention of the Sponsorship Administration Scandal means jack shit to you.....you will vote Lieberal and believe the bullshit to the end of your life and to you Trudeau is the messiah.

SR

You miss the point entirely. I'm not saying sleep deprivation is torture, the LAW is. Omar Khader was born in Toronto, which under the LAW makes him Canadian citizen. As I said before I am not excusing anything Omar Khader did or even saying he deserves $10.5 million. The point that I am trying to make is that the present government, regardless of my opinion of Justin Trudeau, had little choice under the LAW to compensate him. These are the facts whether I like it or not.

I never said I liked Justin Trudeau or had any intention of voting for him.

Your comment about veterans is laughable, the present government restored most but not all of the benefits cut by Stephen Harper.
 

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Re: “Syria”

IBM’s Watson was loaded with the entire Wikipedia database and won at Jeopardy. To wit:

“Khadr was born in Toronto on September 19, 1986, to Ahmed Khadr and Maha el-Samnah, Egyptian and Palestinian immigrants who became Canadian citizens. The Khadr family had moved to Peshawar, Pakistan…”

The intelligence of these boards could be greatly improved.
 

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The Khadr thing is looking like a "false flag". A lady interviewed on radio last night said that the U.S. Army medic was found 80 feet beyond an 8 foot high wall that Omar Khadr would have to throw the granade over. Kadar was found under a pile of rubble unconcious with injuries that left Omar Khadr blind in one eye.
 

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Admit it, you only read 3-4 words then angrily hit reply, am I right? In any case you missed the edit where I explicitly wrote:



Clear now?

You continue:



You're changing the topic unless you think every Green supporter is a dubious immigrant. How are you conflating what you see as "fringe" with illegal immigration?

No party advocates illegal immigration.

Now if you are saying you don't want acceptance of legal immigrants, that's not the same thing. If you're calling people who aren't xenophobic of immigrants "fringe" well that's your opinion, and that carries only equal weight -- no more, no less -- to each born-here Canadian that would disagree with you.

And that's the whole point: you don't want to acknowledge that actual born-here Canadians with every bit as much right to steer the country don't think like you. But to your mind they're either foreign ideologies or fringe. I'm not saying there aren't such things. You're just applying the label way too liberally.

lol, no Justin, I did read what you wrote, heard you, it was make-up, when you were learning

after taking a course a couple of years later, you know the one you were bragging about a few years ago to some teachers in Toronto

about how you were 19/20 on the privilege scale

of course that was after you put on make up another time with a shirt with bananas on it, a sock in your pants then started jumping around like an ape

I heard you, repeat talking points again and again

I did read them honest, I'm not angry

oh wait, wrong

what you wrote, oh, Ok :lalala:




you don't make me angry, I'm not that fast of at typing either

I also get the dog to sound out the big words you keep using :sad:



never said fringe is related to illegal immigrants :loco:

pretty sure most Green supporters are white, the few that aren't are probably just white in Blackface :eyebrows:



no Party? lol

the Liberals under Justin might as well be promoting it, they sure as hell aren't doing anything to stop it, he surely promoted it, encouraged it, think that's the same thing, more or less



what I said was people with Ideologies, born here or not, but Canadians, legal ones

if they spout those Ideologies where they clearly don't mesh with LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC IDEALS, VALUES, what our system is based on

which we have in Canada, have had, hopefully will continue to have, then they are on the fringe

Sharia, Islamists, Commies, Facists, don't care about their numbers, they are fringe in our system

their Ideologies aren't democratic


fringe: not part of the mainstream; unconventional, peripheral, or extreme

the current Greens, fit that def, if you don't think what they are proposing is extreme, well, you clearly haven't listened to May enough



you change to FPP, Ranking, those systems won't help with that

and it won't help achieve what you think it will

that's my point

your other conjectures, they're yours alone :suspicious:
 

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Now its funny that everyone just gets heated up by politics... Everyone here has lots in common then they realize. First you are Canadian.... You are free, or as much as you think you are free from your obligations (like paying taxes, family etc).
So lately the parties have been putting out party platforms on the environment, housing, social systems, home improvements, tax breaks,etc.

Lets debate what would work best for all Canadians; what issues are good what are not.

Thing to remember is that Canada is basicly a socialist country due to EI, Welfare, Health and other programs to help the less fortunate (eg when we fall there is a social safety net). How can these areas be improved and is there a plan Canadians can make as a whole to protect future generations.

A minority government can make the best choices for all Canadians. Example when Harper had his minority government, he had budgets that supported his party and the opposition parties that seem to work for all Canadians. Then he started changing things with his majority... Hence why Trudeau got elected PM, with a majority when a minority was predicted.

I'm older and much more resistant to change, but younger people want change, because they don't see how they can afford things in their lifetime. A house, 2 cars for the family etc. vacations.

One of the biggest problems is the cycle of manufactured goods to final owner. Manufacturer, distributer, distributer, store, final purchase. Too many middle men. Today we have Walmart (man - store- FP) and Amazon and Ebay (Both man - distributer- final purchase). Ever notice the price on Amazon is exactly that of goods in stores (sometime its a little less). What exactly can Amazon sell? is there stuff off limits to them?

Its hard for people to run a business when you have to pay the retail price for raw materials, which is why everything is so darn expensive. Yes Labour is expensive, but you can be your own handyman.

In the big boxstores I now never seem to see the discounts that Canadian Tire puts out (even then they aren't as much/many as they used be).

Social programs which ones are good for Canada?
Health programs which ones are good for Canada?
 

clu

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No, overdone. No party promotes illegal immigration. They may want to change the rules on what legal immigration means but that's not the same thing.

Fringe parties and "wanting" what, say, the Greens are selling: no I do not. But I'm one vote. You're one vote. You don't get to tell other people what's acceptable. I'm not trying.

Case in point. You've got me pegged wrong: I was proudly a Progressive Conservative voter until they tanked and lost official party status. I remember when the Reform Party first debuted federally and I read their literature. They sounded fringe, borderline Neo-Nazis to me.

So from my perspective it's pretty ironic that their supporters (now that they've become the Conservative Party after the PC's demise) are fearing what happens if fringe ideologies take hold.

You don't have to wonder. We're living in the result.
 

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Oh so you care about the FACTS.The FACTS are that Omar Kadr was raised and LIVED in Syria.He was raised and bred to hate ALL western ideologies that were against his Jihadist Islamist beliefs....he was recorded and had videos shown on youtube on making IED's used to to kill INFIDELS.He lobbed a grenade at a MEDIC whose purpose on the field of battle is to administer/give aid to ALL wounded on the battlefield and who sports a BIG red CROSS who would have GIVEN aid to Omar Kadr but did not get the chance to do so as Omar Kadr blew him to bits.Omar Kadr CLAIMED Canadian citizenship as a way to save his ass and along the way enriched himself by the means of a Lieberal government that thinks nothing about it.Comes down to brass tacks.....some guy lost the balls to shoot that jihadi POS in the forehead as he deserved.

He got wakened each night whilst in custody in Gitmo.....he was not waterboarded or tortured....life was just uncomfortable....he still got 3 hot meals a day which is a fuck of a lot MORE than Canadian Veterans get....and then the fucking scumbag MURDERING TERRORIST gets 10.5 MILLION from tax payers thanks to Trudeau whilst our veterans get fuck all because "Canada cant afford it right now"......per Justin Trudeau....look it up!A town hall in Edmonton....same one when Trudeau mansplains to the gal with the utter bullshit nonsensical does not exist in the dictionary word of "peoplekind".

If you are all for that then the very mention of the Sponsorship Administration Scandal means jack shit to you.....you will vote Lieberal and believe the bullshit to the end of your life and to you Trudeau is the messiah.

SR

You miss the point entirely. I'm not saying sleep deprivation is torture, the LAW is. Omar Khader was born in Toronto, which under the LAW makes him Canadian citizen. As I said before I am not excusing anything Omar Khader did or even saying he deserves $10.5 million. The point that I am trying to make is that the present government, regardless of my opinion of Justin Trudeau, had little choice under the LAW to compensate him. These are the facts whether I like it or not.

I never said I liked Justin Trudeau or had any intention of voting for him.

Your comment about veterans is laughable, the present government restored most but not all of the benefits cut by Stephen Harper.
Omar Kadr became a Canadian when it was convenient after he got to destination fucked.....why oh why some US infantryman did not end his life is beyond me.

As for the Trudeau government helping veterans I guess you did not search for it.At a townhall in Edmonton a veteran who was wounded and no longer able to serve due to a lost limb who re-trained himself and was disqualified to get a full pension was told by Trudeau that "veterans are asking for more than Canada can give right now"...same as the RCAF cant afford new jets so as a stop gap it buys used Austrailian F-18 jets for parts.

As for Veterans just barely getting by there are a lot.Many use the Veterans food bank in Calgary and the conditions they live in are pretty bleak.I know as I have delivered to food and seen the situation.

WONT take responsibility financially for Canada's veterans as well as the current people serving the armed forces BUT Canada can spend over a BILLION on Syrian refugees as well as illegal border crossers and at the same time this same "WOKE" Government says it will help "save the planet".....fuck they cant even take care of tax paying Canadians properly.

SR
 

clu

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My personal perspective: Since the Progressive Conservatives' demise I've been a ship without a port. (Feel free to point out I made the wrong choice. Not really my point.)

Back then, I saw the Reform and the Green as equally radical extremes, and the NDP as inexperienced optimists who wanted to blow taxes up to pay for everything, and who would be hit with a heavy dose of reality if they ever got power. Actually I used to think of NDP as radicals until Green showed me it was possible to take it further. I didn't recall thinking much of the Liberals. Waffling panderers, at best, I guess.

So Green and Reform are the polar opposites the way the NDP and PC used to look like opposites, but taken to greater extremes. I can see how Reform supporters would fear Greens, but to me they're both radicals so not that different.

In recent years, I have sometimes voted Liberal on the basis of that they were often the most middle-ground, equal-opportunity offenders of the viable choices, but I'm not married to them by any stretch. And I do have my limits. If they weren't so prone to corrupt hypocritical behaviour I could see myself not hating them, but that's not the reality. Even at the best of times, their saviour complex gets in the way of their integrity.

If I were in the Granville riding I would 100% vote JWR this time around. Just to stick it to Trudeau and send the message that integrity means something.

But my whole "no party works" conclusion is why I've come to favour proportional representation. We may as well be united in our misery and forced to learn to play together again, because one team having sole possession of the ball for 4 years (getting there with less than 50% of the votes) leaves the majority of Canadians miserable anyway. I'd rather we were all somewhat miserable than 60% totally miserable so the other 40% could be happy. Seems like the fair answer.
 

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Laughable? Since the NDP formed, there has been one party that managed to squeeze out almost exactly 50% of the popular vote. That was under Brian Mulroney in 1984. But that's going to be your rebuttal? That my statement about what does happen is "laughable" because it's theoretically possible for it not to be true, even though it has been the case every election but one since we had 3 Federal party contenders? The winning party usually hovers more under 40%. So yes practically it "means" FPtP, in the Canadian political geography we have, will almost guarantee a government that is not elected by the majority of voters. But please do continue to focus on semantics of what "means" means as a way to avoid a meaningful rebuttal.

BTW:



See that big black line in the late 90s and early 2000s? That's a radical "fringe" party called the Reform Party (who are now the Conservatives). But of course we shouldn't be allowing radical fringe parties to gain a foothold.
What was laughable was your attempt to justify your statement, that was clearly wrong, with some rhetorical nonsense that was never in your original statement.

Once again you are wrong. The Conservative Party and the Reform Party are not one and the same. Check it out. There was more than one party involved in the creation of the Conservative Party. And neither needed proportional representation to “gain a foothold.” And I don’t think either of those was the Reform Party.
 

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What's to say? He's a write off. But he's got his ride or die supporters who will forgive him, just like every other party has.

I do find all the promises being made by the Liberals this month comically desperate, like the lazy boyfriend/girlfriend who's got wind their significant other has had enough of their shit and is about to kick them to the curb. Only, even if you are interested in what they're selling, what good is the word of a hypocrite?
Agreed. Justin is no ordinary hypocrite though. He is a sanctimonious hypocrite. Let’s all go camping.

Q: Why does Justin like camping so much?
A: The charcoal from the campfires make excellent blackface makeup
 

clu

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What was laughable was your attempt to justify your statement, that was clearly wrong, with some rhetorical nonsense that was never in your original statement.
Hate to disappoint you but that's not true. The intent of my statement never changed. Argue that I phrased it poorly if you like but I always meant it to mean the same thing. I just didn't think in the first attempt that I had to be so pedantic to be understood.
 

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Hate to disappoint you but that's not true. The intent of my statement never changed. Argue that I phrased it poorly if you like but I always meant it to mean the same thing. I just didn't think in the first attempt that I had to be so pedantic to be understood.
I firmly believe in say what you mean and mean what you say. In my business, and in most I would say, pleading that “the intent of my statement never changed” doesn’t mean shit if it was wrong to begin with. In some professions it’s an admission of negligence.
 

clu

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I firmly believe in say what you mean and mean what you say. In my business, and in most I would say, pleading that “the intent of my statement never changed” doesn’t mean shit if it was wrong to begin with. In some professions it’s an admission of negligence.
Do you understand the meaning of "intent"? My intended meaning was not wrong. Either you misunderstood or I expressed it poorly, but the meaning was always "in Canada, practically, FPtP almost always results in a majority government that was not elected by 50% or more of the voters." That statement is not wrong. You chose to misinterpret that as me saying it can't happen, due to poor phrasing on my part and/or poor comprehension on yours.

Look you can not agree with me (though given the actual facts and history I don't know how) but for God's sake at least allow that I actually meant what I said and said what I meant. There was just a misunderstanding.
 

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Do you understand the meaning of "intent"? My intended meaning was not wrong. Either you misunderstood or I expressed it poorly, but the meaning was always "in Canada, practically, FPtP almost always results in a majority government that was not elected by 50% or more of the voters." That statement is not wrong. You chose to misinterpret that as me saying it can't happen, due to poor phrasing on my part and/or poor comprehension on yours.

Look you can not agree with me (though given the actual facts and history I don't know how) but for God's sake at least allow that I actually meant what I said and said what I meant. There was just a misunderstanding.
Sorry Greta. You go girl
 

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Still no reaction or opinions about Trudeau ducking out/dodging the biggest televised leaders debate for the hustings?

SR
The reason no one is reacting is because it is not true! Show even one link to a credible news source that states that Trudeau will not take part in the English language debate. You have obviously been visiting the Chinese or Russian fake news web sites lol.

JD
 

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"Trudeau won't attend Munk and Maclean's/CityTV debates | Power & Politics"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKKGTOfjBoU

Not saying it's the "biggest" debate, but it is an English debate.
This has been known since early September. SR implied that Trudeau would be skipping "the" major English language debate, and that this news came out on Sept 23rd. No such news came out anywhere near to Sept. 23rd. SR further stated that Trudeau would only be particapating in French language debate(s), which is pure and simple fake news!

JD
 

storm rider

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This has been known since early September. SR implied that Trudeau would be skipping "the" major English language debate, and that this news came out on Sept 23rd. No such news came out anywhere near to Sept. 23rd. SR further stated that Trudeau would only be particapating in French language debate(s), which is pure and simple fake news!

JD
Let me say it more simply.Thus far there have been 2 televised debates this campaign.Trudeau participated in neither.I am of the opinion Trudeau will end up doing the french televised debate only,for strategic reasons.Right off the bat anyone who watches it LIVES in Quebec.Do you think say people from west of Ontario people will be watching it in mass numbers?Not likely at all.Trudeau is avoiding the live debates as he cant campaign on his record of governance for both of the direction of Canada nor his own buffoonery over the last 4 years.The last thing Gerald Butts will do is let Trudeau campaign on his record.That would be like telling Trudeau to tap dance in a mine field....oh the carnage!!!!!

In Quebec he can pander to them.He will stand behind SNC Lavalin and saving jobs.

Canada is well into the Hustings and the promises are a flying.Yet at no time has the current Prime Minister campaigned on his record.

SR
 
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