10 myths -- and 10 truths -- about atheism

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By Sam Harris, SAM HARRIS is the author of "The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason" and "Letter to a Christian Nation."
December 24, 2006

SEVERAL POLLS indicate that the term "atheism" has acquired such an extraordinary stigma in the United States that being an atheist is now a perfect impediment to a career in politics (in a way that being black, Muslim or homosexual is not). According to a recent Newsweek poll, only 37% of Americans would vote for an otherwise qualified atheist for president.

Atheists are often imagined to be intolerant, immoral, depressed, blind to the beauty of nature and dogmatically closed to evidence of the supernatural.

Even John Locke, one of the great patriarchs of the Enlightenment, believed that atheism was "not at all to be tolerated" because, he said, "promises, covenants and oaths, which are the bonds of human societies, can have no hold upon an atheist."

That was more than 300 years ago. But in the United States today, little seems to have changed. A remarkable 87% of the population claims "never to doubt" the existence of God; fewer than 10% identify themselves as atheists — and their reputation appears to be deteriorating.

Given that we know that atheists are often among the most intelligent and scientifically literate people in any society, it seems important to deflate the myths that prevent them from playing a larger role in our national discourse.

1) Atheists believe that life is meaningless.

On the contrary, religious people often worry that life is meaningless and imagine that it can only be redeemed by the promise of eternal happiness beyond the grave. Atheists tend to be quite sure that life is precious. Life is imbued with meaning by being really and fully lived. Our relationships with those we love are meaningful now; they need not last forever to be made so. Atheists tend to find this fear of meaninglessness … well … meaningless.

2) Atheism is responsible for the greatest crimes in human history.

People of faith often claim that the crimes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were the inevitable product of unbelief. The problem with fascism and communism, however, is not that they are too critical of religion; the problem is that they are too much like religions. Such regimes are dogmatic to the core and generally give rise to personality cults that are indistinguishable from cults of religious hero worship. Auschwitz, the gulag and the killing fields were not examples of what happens when human beings reject religious dogma; they are examples of political, racial and nationalistic dogma run amok. There is no society in human history that ever suffered because its people became too reasonable.

3) Atheism is dogmatic.

Jews, Christians and Muslims claim that their scriptures are so prescient of humanity's needs that they could only have been written under the direction of an omniscient deity. An atheist is simply a person who has considered this claim, read the books and found the claim to be ridiculous. One doesn't have to take anything on faith, or be otherwise dogmatic, to reject unjustified religious beliefs. As the historian Stephen Henry Roberts (1901-71) once said: "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

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Although I do believe that religion is for controlling the masses and has little if any basis on fact.

I do have a problem with morality.

Without religion where do we get morality?

I mean would President Bush be responsible for our values and morals? Would it be a comittee somewhere?

How would you know murder was right or wrong?

An interesting question don't you think?
 

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Those are excellent videos -- short and succinct. The first one is also pretty funny, in the way it encapsulates the illogic of "belief."

Fundamentalists are scary -- Christian or any other religion.

I don't see why morality needs to be based in religion. "Do unto others..." seems like a good blueprint for behaviour for everyone, and is a very practical way to interact with the world. Atheists like me are just as likely to follow it as those who profess to be religious...and much more so than fanatics.
 

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oceanic said:
... Richard Dawkins in England (The God Delusion) uses "atheist" where many would use "agnostic". ...
That is a very important distinction. I wonder if it's widely understood these days?
 

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HankQuinlan said:
... And, by the way, agnostics are just wussy atheists. :)
Thanks Hank.

The American Heritage Dictionary has several definitions of agnostic, but the first one offerred is "One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God." In my own case I'd re-word that as "One who believes it is impossible to know the nature of God, and doesn't concern himself about it."

I also rather like Huxley's (who coined the term "agnostic") description of himself as a “man without a rag of a label to cover himself with”.

But Hank says I'm a wussy atheist. I don't mind being a wussy (a willing wussy?), but atheist I aint.
 

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Atheism is a religious belief? I mean seriously, read what 'atheists' say. They so completely disbelieve that no evidence would sway them. I am not saying there is any evidence, I am saying that they have faith there is no evidence.

- TR
 

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Read the full link in the first post again. There is nothing there at all to suggest atheism is a faith; quite the opposite. Atheism means refusing to believe without evidence. That is rational, not "religious."

If God Almighty appeared with a flaming sword, there would be evidence, and therefore I would believe.
 

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oceanic said:
An atheist makes their conclusion as a matter of faith because we can never know whether all of the evidence is in yet. But conversationally, it is not consistant. See Hank Q above whom I would call an agnostic (after his last post), yet he calls himself an atheist.
Does this mean no conclusions can be drawn about anything? That is philosophy, not science. We should make no conclusions about global warming (for example) or evolution because all the evidence isn't in yet? Galileo was wrong to stand by his conclusions about our place in the solar system because there could have been more evidence?

So, sure, philosphically, all of our actions and beliefs are based on faith. I have faith that brushing my teeth is a good thing, but all of the evidence may not be in. I have faith that mass murder is bad, that torture and rape is bad, but I could be wrong because maybe other people don't really exist except in my mind and all life is meaningless. But I would prefer to keep laws in place against those things rather than waiting for all the evidence to come in.

As far as I am concerned about religion or gods, there is overwhelming evidence that it is bullshit, and none whatsoever supporting it.

If you are talking about believing in a "god" which has no interest in human affairs, and which takes no actions of any sort, that is not the concept held by any organized religion. That is deliberately creating a theory that cannot be proved or disproved.
 
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Model of a Modern Atheistical

This poem by Lee Goldsmith, a fellow member of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, will hopefully be enjoyed by both Oceanic and HankQuinlan:

I am the very model of a modern atheistical---
Rejecting all religions, both the macho and the mystical---
For Judaism, Islam, or what's known as Christianity
are all about intolerance which borders on insanity---
The horrors they've inflicted by their longing for theocracy
Can only be exceeded by their hatred and hypocrisy---
So here's a fact about me both immodest and statistical---
I am the very model of a modern atheistical!


---Dr. Moe
 

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HankQuinlan said:
If you are talking about believing in a "god" which has no interest in human affairs, and which takes no actions of any sort, that is not the concept held by any organized religion.
I don't believe in any form of God(s) however the above statement isn't exactly true.

The bible clearly lays out the concept of a God who does not interfere in human affairs in the parable of Job. In the story Job is a stand-up human being, good in every way and successful. Suddenly his life turns to absolute shit and he asks God why he got screwed and the response is pretty much "Tough luck.. that's life. Pick yourself up and move on ".

The medieval catholic church eventually changed the story with a happy ending (Job get's his good life back) for obvious reasons but the original text still turns up in Islam and Judaism (and I think Gnostic scrolls)
 

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forgottenrebels said:
I don't believe in any form of God(s) however the above statement isn't exactly true.

The bible clearly lays out the concept of a God who does not interfere in human affairs in the parable of Job. In the story Job is a stand-up human being, good in every way and successful. Suddenly his life turns to absolute shit and he asks God why he got screwed and the response is pretty much "Tough luck.. that's life. Pick yourself up and move on ".

The medieval catholic church eventually changed the story with a happy ending (Job get's his good life back) for obvious reasons but the original text still turns up in Islam and Judaism (and I think Gnostic scrolls)
Still, God talks to him, and in the normal interpretation, causes Job's woes to test him. And the essence of organized Christianity is a God that has a personal interest in man -- rewards those who are good, punishes those who don't believe, etc.
 

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What came first the chichen or the atom?

Really believing that there is a god or not.. is allways missing the point.
Would you denie that you exist.. and that everything around you exists at this very moment?That is really all we have .
 
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