Swine Flu Shot

[gpchillin]

I have never gotten a flu shot and I don't think I will now. I'm sure the H1N1 is a more virulent strain then normal but i'm also sure that the media is as usual blowing things way out of proportion to get more viewers it's what they do.

Governments have to tell people that getting a flu shot is a good idea because when you analyze the numbers the flu shot prevents a lot of strain on the health care system because they do lower the amount of sick by a large number and flu shots also saves companies countless amounts of money in lost revenue that they would loose with lots of sick employees.

There is always going to be a very few who get an adverse reaction because your basically injecting a diluted form of potentially deadly virus into yourself but vaccines have saved far far far more people then they have ever harmed so overall they are a good idea when looking at it from a government point of view.

And you have to remember that at one point in time the spanish flu wiped out a very large portion of the human population and nobody wants that to happen again so they have to look at the flu and a more dangerous version like the H1N1 in worst case scenarios.

 

[Shakerod]

Hilarious instructions on how to turn yourself into a mindless vaccine zombiehttp://www.naturalnews.com/027293_flu_vaccine_swine.html

 

[zaig]

Difficult issue. What to do. Personally, I haven't decided yet, but I don't fall into any of the at risk catagories.

People, if you are concerned, I suggest you do research, question your health care provider, and anyone else that may have pertinent information on the subject. Don't listen to anyone from boards such as this, too many ill informed people.

Are vaccines perfect?, certainly not, but in the long run they do help more than harm. When was the last time you heard of a North American coming down with Polio.

I am sure there are more than ample places to research on the web, but I do suggest you stay away from anything connected to Alex Jones, and any follower of his, they are not well. They see the NWO at every corner, mind control, concentration camps, and of course my personal favorite, mass extermination of the planet, so that only 10-15% of the people are left alive.

I do hope no one does get sick, but if you do, try a little chicken soup, it might not help, but it couldn't hurt.

 

[HankQuinlan]

Yes Big K i agree. Autism and ADD in children has been directly linked to vaccination. Since i was old enough to disagree(Grade 4) me and my friend hid while everyone else was getting their shots. I am glad i was smarter than i knew at the time.

And if you were a bit older, you could have avoided the vaccines for polio and smallpox, which have saved countless lives. That might not have been smart.

 

[Shakerod]

I can understand why the Alex Jones show might not be everyone's cup of tea. He can be obnoxious, aggressive, and a little looney at time when he's trying to get his point across, but I admire his passion and the research involved on some very important subject's. He must be doing something right, because he is stirring a lot of shit in Washington at the present time.

 

[HankQuinlan]

I can understand why the Alex Jones show might not be everyone's cup of tea. He can be obnoxious, aggressive, and a little looney at time when he's trying to get his point across, but I admire his passion and the research involved on some very important subject's. He must be doing something right, because he is stirring a lot of shit in Washington at the present time.

Something other than encouraging morons to show up at meetings with signs like "Keep the Government out of my Medicaid?" Oh, sorry, that's Fox News. What exact shit is he stirring up that anyone with a brain pays attention to?

 

[zaig]

It's like Yogi Berra used to say,





"It's like deja vu all over again."

 

[Shakerod]

Something other than encouraging morons to show up at meetings with signs like "Keep the Government out of my Medicaid?" Oh, sorry, that's Fox News. What exact shit is he stirring up that anyone with a brain pays attention to?

He has millions of listeners all over the world, and his videos(which you can get for free on the internet) are the most watched on youtube, his latest' Fall of the Republic' just came out today.You would have to be naive if you think the government is not worried about the mass of followers he projects.

 

[namssa]

Not that I expect this will change the current direction of this thread, but.............

NO Swine Flu shot for me. It's just the flu people, deal with it. Your body is made to kill those pesky little buggers on it's own and it makes your body stronger to do it without assistance. Never had a flu shot, and never will.

 

[deberry]

Not that I expect this will change the current direction of this thread, but.............

NO Swine Flu shot for me. It's just the flu people, deal with it. Your body is made to kill those pesky little buggers on it's own and it makes your body stronger to do it without assistance. Never had a flu shot, and never will.

+1... Anyone who is going to take it needs desperately to be educated. Start with http://www.vran.org

VRAN — Vaccination Risk Awareness Network — is a not-for-profit educational society. Formed in response to growing parental concern regarding the safety of current vaccination programs in Canada, VRAN serves as a public information and resource group, and is committed to protecting children from the known risks of vaccines currently in use and those being developed for future use in Canada by informing parents of the components of vaccines, side effects, and possible long-term health effects.

VRAN is a national organization with members across Canada, many of whom have children who have suffered a broad spectrum of vaccine reactions, neuroimmune injuries, including death from vaccine reactions.

VRAN publishes a quarterly, highly informative newsletter with updates of the latest news and research on the vaccine issue from around the world.

VRAN’s mandate is to empower families to make educated, voluntary, and informed decisions about vaccination, to support people in their right to health freedom, and to maintain and further the individual’s freedom from enforced medication. A growing number of health care practitioners, both physicians and practitioners of alternative medicine, support our mandate to provide parents and legal guardians with full disclosure of the risks associated with vaccines before the decision to vaccinate is made.

VRAN continues the work of the Committee Against Compulsory Vaccination (formed in Ontario in 1982) whose successful lobby efforts (1982-84) culminated in amendment of the Immunization of School Pupils Act, which now guarantees vaccine exemption rights for reasons of conscience and religion to all children, from day nursery age through high school. Both the Immunization of School Pupils Act (section 3) and the Day Nurseries Act (section 33 of Regulation 262 issued under the Act) extend to parents the legal right to exempt their children from vaccinations.

VRAN acts as a “watchdog” society and identifies government and health officials’ violations of informed consent laws vis a vis vaccination. For example, health units in Ontario send vaccine demand letters to parents through the school system threatening children with exclusion from school if vaccine records are not complete, but consistently fail to inform parents of their right to exemption from vaccines under the Immunization of School Pupils Act. Through our solicitor in Ontario, VRAN initiated a demand to the Medical Officer of Health and the Minister of Health to uphold their obligation to comply with informed consent laws, and to clearly inform the public of legally available exemptions from vaccination in all vaccine related materials circulated to the public.

VRAN offers support and guidance to parents whose children have suffered adverse reactions and injuries from vaccines and helps link people to resources and health practitioners who treat vaccine injuries. Our work is often at the grassroots level, communicating with parents on a one-to-one basis, helping to clarify their right to make informed, voluntary decisions about vaccines for their children. We respond to questions about vaccine risks, provide information packages and help direct people to the numerous sources of information about vaccines and associated health problems.

VRAN maintains this website to provide a national and international overview of the vaccine issue with links to the many vaccine information consumer groups around the world: Best Vaccine Websites.

There are many other resources as well but this one is excellent.

 

[namssa]

I just used common sense.......nothing difficult about that.

 

[deberry]

Forgive me if anyone already mentioned this (I was too lazy to skim through the whole thread ).......are clinics still offering regular flu shots?

I phoned one close to where I am downtown and they said the only flu shot available is the H191.

I want a flu shot dammit! I get one every year cuz I hate getting sick

I really suggest you read the whole thread and link to the story about Washington Redskins cheerleader who is nearly paralyzed now after taking the flu shot. Plus the flu is ever changing and mutating into different strains so the shot will do nothing but make you sick. Believe me if you look at the info, you DO NOT want this shot.

 

[deberry]

I'll skim through and take a look

Here is the latest story from Desiree Jennings the Redskins cheerleader who suffered severe neurological damage from the vaccine. This video is amazing and is going super viral (no pun intended) on YouTube. I am glad she is getting her story out there so many will now not take this insane shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScGC7nFDxM

 

[IfUCare]

lets be logical here.
1. correlation doesn't equal to causality.

Also, you pointed out to ADHD and autism in children, vaccine isn't causing it and here are the reasons why. 1. autism and adhd affects boys a lot more often then girls, you ask why? The development of the embryo and at an early age a male's brain develop different from the female. Due to the exposure of lots of petro-based chemical such as plastic, which act as a synthetic estrogen, this changes the hormonal balance and that is believe to cause a big jump in ADHD. I would like to point out, even 20 years ago, the symptoms of autism wasn't that well defined so many cases were unreported or under-reported. So the numbers of autistic child might not have gone up, but more are be diagnosed now.
Alzheimer is normally associated with old age, and there is often an higher then normal level of ALUMINUM in the brain. Why didn't people get it as much back then. Even more simple, we lived longer then we use to. So more people are at the age where Alzheimer is a problem. In regards to the mercury goodness, we're exposed to a lot more crap and heavy metals then previous generation. Can you say for sure that without a moment of doubt that not other reasons are the cause of it? Anyways since 2002, most vaccines in europe and north america no longer has mercury in it, or in such as small amount you probably get more from eating tuna sashmi

You choose not to listen to main stream media, that's great for you, and i've decided not to listen to alex jones. You call us closed minded when you haven't really listen to both sides of the argument. You want to educate me, great, and i hope to take this opportunity to educate you. However, when you want to dabble in the realms of science please use real science and not psuedo-science spew by people like jenny mcartney.

At the end of the day, we can't be 100% of anything we do. No matter what we try there are some people that fall out of the bell curve. i'm happy enough if they develop a drug that doesn't have an adverse effect to 99% of the people. Even if they made it 99%safe i'm sure there are that 1% that will make a stink about. But think about it, 99% of the other people would've been saved compared to the 1% that it causes death.

You don't want to take the vaccine, that's great, i'm not taking the vaccine either. I don't see any need for it at the moment. However, if you're talking about all vaccines in general, i hope you shut your mouth up, so you don't convince unknowing mothers into doing great harm to their children.

 

[zaig]

Yes Big K i agree. Autism and ADD in children has been directly linked to vaccination. Since i was old enough to disagree(Grade 4) me and my friend hid while everyone else was getting their shots. I am glad i was smarter than i knew at the time.

Just for information, there has not been 1 peer reviewed paper to link autisim or ADD to any form of vacination. Not One.

Now I don't doubt that you have concerns like the most people, but if you really want the correct information, I do advise you do more research.

The interenet has swamped us with information, and of course not all of it is true, and keep in mind that in far too many instances there is a hdden agenda on the part of contributers. What they hope to gain from spreading lies and misinformation, I don't know, but our good old friend Alex Jones certainly has an agenda, and it's not hidden.

Now I am waiting for the usual responses from the usual suspects stating that mercury is in the vaccine, or a derivitive of it, and if you do the research you will find that 1. trace amounts are found, but less than in a piece of Tuna sashimi, and 2. the Thermisol, a deriviative of mercury is being phased out of vaccines, basically to alleviate the publics concerns.

After researching the info regarding the H1N1 vaccine, I personally think it is wise to get innoculated, but that is just my choice. Make up your own minds, but do the research first.

 

[bcneil]

But all this did happen.....just your mainstream, mind controlling media didn't tell you

 

[zaig]

But all this did happen.....just your mainstream, mind controlling media didn't tell you

Oh, sorry, I forgot. I do hope the guys in the black helicopters and their stormtroopers don't find me. I really don't want to go to one of those FEMA concentration camps Alex has reported on. I know that is the US, but BIG BROTHER is everywhere.

 

[Moderator-1]

Silky - we've missed you

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Now isn't that an interesting turn of events:
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(Laughing Our Collective Asses Off...)

We'll do it too!

 

[uncleg]

Mod a question.

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[Moderator-1]

Yes

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