I just had to share

[xoxo Amie]

This is an excerpt I found from Stephane at Ideagasms.net
I really enjoyed it,
hope you do too!

"Sin And Ego Are One And The Same"

I had an interesting experience today, my buddy Eric took us to "Hooters" which is basically a cheesy PG-13 titty bar that serves hamburgers.

So anyway, our little hottie waitress comes over to the table with some ashes on her forehead, so I asked her what that was for.. and she told us that it was something about Chhristian "lent" or something, I forget exactly what it was.

She walked off to go get our stuff and there was the thought, "Oh yeah, we're in Texas, part of the Christian bible-belt… Let's see if I can raise her consciousness up a few points."

So when she came back I said, "You know, I once had an interesting realization about Sin, and it made me feel a whole lot better about myself and lighter in general!"

(I'm starting to talk like these people)

She was *very* interested, you could tell she had a lot of guilt, Christian-style Sin-related guilt, of course. So this really peaked her curiosity.

I said, "Sin is actually just an old-school word for the human ego. The fact that we're all born in Original Sin is just an old catholic way of saying that we have placed our soul inside of a body, and the ego itself is a sinner because it's just animal programming."

You should have seen the look on her face - priceless.

She became about twice as beautiful, her consciousness went waaaay up because of that one simple distinction.

These poor Christians, they are so close to enlightenment, yet they're simultaneously so far from it. They really do suffer needlessly.

So then I said, "God doesn't create suffering, it's the human ego that creates suffering, because the human mind & body is basically just an animal, and therefore too spiritually naive and unable to remember the truth of what we are" but that was pushing it and went way over her pretty little head

Ahh well, still nice to see the light shine a little bit brighter due to the first statement about Sin really just meaning "the ego".


"Transcending Guilt And Shame, Right Now, Today"

Guilt and Shame are the true 'bottom of the barrel' of the various human emotions, they are the most painful and most destructive subjective experiences of all, and they literally poison the human body, acting like a death gene.

So, if you're ready, today we're going to wipe the slate clean.

Pick something small for now, we can always do the big stuff (like when Uncle Ernie molested you) later on.

So pick something small or medium sized, like maybe you have guilt/shame about cheating on a girl or snorting cocaine up your nose. Whatever.

Alright, let's do this.

Guilt and shame.

First of all, realize that "you" did NOT do the dirty sinful embarrassing behaviors. Nope, it was simply a piece of human biology (a mind and body) that did those things on it's own.

Ego programming did what ego programming does.

A walking piece of meat did what a walking piece of meat does, and walking pieces of meat are very innocent and downright stupid.

YOU are simply the silent observer, the *witness* of those old behaviors.

YOU did not rape, steal and pillage, YOU are the consciousness that witnessed it all go down. You got to see what that energy is like, to learn from it and report back to God. Anything any piece of biology ever does is literally in service to God, who is seriously addicted to learning new things and expanding Himself.

The reason you did not put a stop to it is simply because you were mistakenly identified with the body/mind. You were born with NO MEMORY of what you actually are, which is consciousness itself.

Now stop and think about those memories, and say, "It seemed like a good idea at the time".

And, with the limitations one had at the time, it's really true: It seemed like a good idea at the time.

Also, you'll need to let go of the BENEFITS of guilt & shame. The ego loves those two energies, even though they are painful. They give the ego drama, poor me energies, pain, and the feelings of separation from God. So surrender the secret pleasures and the JUICE that ego derives from guilt & shame… surrender it all to God. Or Existence, Universe, Holy Spirit, Consciousness, Higher Self - whatever.

Just surrender it, drop it like one would let go of a rock.

Next, just stop and ask God for forgiveness.

Next, realize that the ego, on it's own, is incapable of letting go of guilt. A piece of meat cannot teach itself higher consciousness. Meat cannot heal meat.

What's needed is spiritual assistance, so go and ask God for some help. Allow the light of God to enter your being and dissolve what's left. Pray for Divine Grace.

If you don't believe in this spiritual stuff, it's of no importance. Just phrase it like, "If there really is Divine Grace, I ask for assistance". Think - placebo's work.

Give yourself a little bit more time as well. If it takes a few days or weeks to completely let it all go, then this is what God's Will is. Surrender even the desire to be healed, "Thy will be done".

Next, whenever your mind thinks about the past events, remind yourself that "it seemed like a good idea at the time", allow yourself to simply regret the decisions you had made, and then surrender the memories to God over and over and over again until you are healed, until it stops bugging you and dragging you down.

 

[AA_Train]

So basically the whole jist of that is to just get over yourself, right??? That's how I interpreted it.

 

[xoxo Amie]

i guess it can be interpreted in a lot of different ways...
for me it was a happy reminder
that grace is within all of us

 

[sarahpassion]

Thanks Amy

That was a very nice enlightening post. A good read.

Too bad the author never heard of Ash Wednesday

 

[Mephistophiles]

So, it sounds like you are saying that we can do whatever we want and we are not responsible for it. It's just an animal doing it and we are watching from an aloof position.

That sounds really great from the aspect of forgiving ouselves for things that we wish we hadn't done. Unfortunetly, it leads to the attitude that we can do whatever we want and never have to take personal resposibility for it. That wont seem so great to those who suffer as a result of our actions!

 

[uncleg]

Amen Sista......who's Grace?

Your feminine side, that only ITB sees.

 

[Pantherdash]

Your feminine side, that only ITB sees.

you're right about that!

Big, gaping shit-filled-asshole feminine side!

Panther

 

[maxx50]

the guys had to many beer

I would agree that sin is the human ego and we want to do what ever we like by instinct that is like all animal.. E man differs is we have a conchens and a chose to do right or wrong.
The conchens makes us ask the question how am i going to feel about doing this and if we make the wrong chose we feel bad we suffer from the quilt of sin, the guilt of doing what we want with out thinking about others or the consequences.
The sin before God is where God is our connection to the universal consciousness through our subconscious , a sense that we are part of something larger then our selves , hences there must be a God, And be cause we are part of the "Big picture " our thoughts and action effect every thing in a negative or positive way.

It is all in the first few paragraphs of Genius ,Adm and Eve and the fruit of the tree.

Now will you go to hell and damnation. That is the part where you are responsible . You have to be able to fore give your self, i did it i was wrong and i know better , i accept the consequences .. and then move on and don't allow your unforgiven guilt to make your life a living hell. Now if we are spiritual beings .. then that guilt and feels that we have will permeate our spirit also and after death it could make our spirit incompatible with the light..like negative and positive energy.
Of course that is just one idea on the subject.. i will go to church and pray about it.

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

It is all in the first few paragraphs of Genius ,Adm and Eve and the fruit of the tree.

Maxx, that is CLASSIC!!

Actually, religion is sought out by people who need help with their
moral compass someone once told me. This story shows this in
spades.



..............QM'r

 

[maxx50]

Of course

I actually don't look at the book of genesis and a religious book As I have tried to understand the the writings in the Bible .. I only sees man struggle with himself ..just like you and I.. .The Bible is full of stories of these chooses that we all have to make when it comes to morels and self. We don't have to build a church around it.

I once said to the pastor.... That I looked at the the analogy of Adam taking the fruit of the tree of knowledge ? Good and evil.. and suddenly looking upon hims self and seeing he was naked tries to hide from God.. I saw that as when Man through evolution .. first was aware of self.. and thought of himself as more then just an animal.. He wounder what was right and wrong and made chooses that benefited others rather then just his own desires.
At that point we started to make moral judgements ,, started to set laws that we thought others should abide by .. and all so punished those that did not to help them make the decision we wanted them to make ... There still is alot of self serving going on in the sinner

 

[AA_Train]

Maxx, that is CLASSIC!!

Actually, religion is sought out by people who need help with their
moral compass someone once told me. This story shows this in
spades.



..............QM'r

People "find" religion because they want to be a part of something larger. That's fine but my first year sociology teacher summed up religion like this: Religion is society worshipping itself. To me, that means fitting in for the sake of fitting in, even if it's not you. Religion in it's ideal practice is storytelling, cautionary tales that give us guidance on how we should live and how we should treat each other. Priests, Rabbis and other so called "spiritual" people proably have little to no spiritual power as in the sense of being about to communicate with other plains of existence. These are people who basically have a PhD in their religious text. They are valuable, but not necessarily spiritual.

Unfortunately, religion is often a means of control and it is used to make people afraid of the world around them. Which is why I have nothing to do with it.

 

[xoxo Amie]

So, it sounds like you are saying that we can do whatever we want and we are not responsible for it. It's just an animal doing it and we are watching from an aloof position.

That sounds really great from the aspect of forgiving ouselves for things that we wish we hadn't done. Unfortunetly, it leads to the attitude that we can do whatever we want and never have to take personal resposibility for it. That wont seem so great to those who suffer as a result of our actions!

People "find" religion because they want to be a part of something larger. That's fine but my first year sociology teacher summed up religion like this: Religion is society worshipping itself. To me, that means fitting in for the sake of fitting in, even if it's not you. Religion in it's ideal practice is storytelling, cautionary tales that give us guidance on how we should live and how we should treat each other. Priests, Rabbis and other so called "spiritual" people proably have little to no spiritual power as in the sense of being about to communicate with other plains of existence. These are people who basically have a PhD in their religious text. They are valuable, but not necessarily spiritual.

Unfortunately, religion is often a means of control and it is used to make people afraid of the world around them. Which is why I have nothing to do with it.

I agree
growing up I had quite a an aversion to organized religion
to this day, it gives me the heebie geebies
when i encounter people who talk about it with too much enthusiasm
lol... well, that's just my experience of them

at a very young age
i came to the conclusion for myself
that religion is fpr the large part
organized storytelling & social control
so we all don't go crazy and
behave in ways that damage ourselves
and others around us

and as person/persons/organization given such power
is subject to abuse
maybe some people who read the excerpts
may take it as an excuse to feel better
and continue to act irresponsibly/hurtfully

there's a definite component missing from the excerpts
which is,
"ok, i was a idiot, so what can i do next time so i' no an idiot again"
for me, (as i don't consider myself religious)
it remind myself to be more present in the moment
and in the analogy of the excerpts
let my consciousness be more 'present'
let 'grace' be more present
similar to eckhart tolle's idea in "the power of now"

maybe if i heard this story of how to relate the idea of "SIN"
to the idea of man & his animal self , "the EGO"
i would have struggled less with having to go to church and all the dogma

a lot of times teachers are too caught up in "what"
when what the student really needs to understand is "why"

is see this even in how my parents raised me
lol... why i respect them more today
because i have grown to understand with experience
than when i experienced them as a child barking orders at me
and not explaining to me why & me not understanding why