Racism . Is it.......

[uncleg]

earned ? I have yet to meet a born racist, though I met more then a few people born into situations where it's a foregone conclusion that they will end up as racists. Under "normal" social circumstances, why do people develop racist or bigoted attitudes ? Is the behaviour of members of various ethnic groups, where that behaviour is outside the "accepted" norm, the trigger for learned racism ? Some opinions, if you would.

 

[wolverine]

Observe toddlers and small children, they aren't racists - they willfully play with each other and anybody regardless of what color they are. It's the grown-ups who pass on the stereotypes, prejudices and fears on to their offspring.

 

[CJ Tylers]

Racism is occasionally earned, and always learned.

As Wolverine said, children (babies until tought otherwise) know no race, religion, or other divisive tendancies. Perhaps the world would be a better place if we took our cue from their outlook on life?

 

[LaCreme]

earned ? I have yet to meet a born racist, though I met more then a few people born into situations where it's a foregone conclusion that they will end up as racists. Under "normal" social circumstances, why do people develop racist or bigoted attitudes ? Is the behaviour of members of various ethnic groups, where that behaviour is outside the "accepted" norm, the trigger for learned racism ? Some opinions, if you would.

for myself some say about me i am judgemental because for my young age i've seen it all..yeah for real some are good and some are bad.

i am not racist is i look most of the time how the person behave.. look at your friend that indicate you some idea about you. i work with all type of ethnic groupe some care cool and some are not cool. some gave the image of cool and finaly are not cool.. some like me who give the image who dont give a fuck for some reason are fucking cool.


lately i had trouble with arabic people.. also my boss in montreal is one. i hate him as hell..because he was nice the frist week then i got to know them more and more and mor i find out i simply hate him.. one i dont like the way he work and i dont like the way he see at women like me. i dont like the fact he steat me like a slave to work 12 a days and 6 hours a week . i am dude this is summer time i need some space to see old friend too is sort of love and hate game the money longterm is better then escorting and hate the way he run us also most people who work for them quite too i might so next week for many reason.

i was in a bbq with some arabic person because my girlfriend knew them and the food was very good.. we stopped by and grab a chicken and eat and sit a little bit.. they were very nice and thx them for the invitation!

so here i have the same etchinc group but not the same behaving.
yes i am judgemental but i think i am quite fair.

is funny the first time i hear about asian racist was when i was in bc.. i hear some white people compaining about it ah well i am from montreal and i never had none.. my best girlfriend here are japanease. when i was in high school the only girlfriend i had was coreen.. and i love asian food!

 

[dipitydoo]

In my opinion it's all a cultural thing, therefore a learned behaviour.

 

[Sonny]

Sometimes societal behaviour that arises from a cultural environment finds objection in a different cultural environment. Is this the basis of stereotyping? Is that racist?

It's not racism in the old school sense that was primarily based on colour, but is it racist if one feels a revulsion towards a particular ethnic group based on embedded patterns commonplace within the cultural environment of that group?

And if these embedded patterns of the ethnic group are characterized by disrespectful, hurtful and derogatory attitudes towards subgroups within the very same ethnic group, with these harmful attitudes being directed also towards to the same subgroups of all populations?

And if one feels revulsion towards the ethnic group as a whole, because the objectionable behaviour is commonplace, but, of course, not universal, within the group? Is this racist?

Negative behaviour patterns are learned and cultivated by greed, fear, hatred and self-centredness, and are perpetuated by lack of education and the absence of development of mutual respect and value-of-other. Whole countries, regions, religions are negligent, reliant on historical momentum of ignorance.

It's difficult not to react negatively to the individual who displays repulsive behaviour but who is actually an innocent victim of implicit indoctrination.

So, yes, it is racist if one does so, by forgetting the pot in which the broth was cooked.

 

[LonelyGhost]

gotta love social psychology ... which was born right out of what
this tread is about ... some researchers in Chicago decided to test
an interesting theory and sent out a mixed race couple in the 'south'
to find a motel room ... in some cases they were successful, but
in many they were not.

the researchers then sent out a letter requesting a reservation (phones
were still rare at this time) and got back lots of replies ... one place,
where they had originally turned the couple away, wrote that they
would indeed welcome the couple and actually wrote that such a
couple had stayed at their motel (they hadn't!).

what the researchers found, and it holds true today, is that our
prejudices are based on ignorance: the less we know about a
person, their 'race', 'ethnicity', 'culture' or 'religion' the less we
will like them ...

but the more first-hand experience we have with them, the more
we begin to like them!

Great example is the spirit canoe trip being taken right now with
aboriginal elders and youth and police from various agencies: all
had come with prejudices and even hatred and by getting to know
each other on a more personal level, were actually quite surprised
that the 'other guy' was just a human being too ...

One aboriginal youth leader was downright 'sheepish' and embarrased
in the interview about the thoughts and feelings he had had toward
the police and how wrong they had been: was he then racist when
he had them???

 

[CJ Tylers]

Miss Shay, kids say cruel things... they work by grouping together and singling out people who appear different to them. If it wasn't your skin colour, then maybe it would've been the fat kid..or the one with glasses...or the one that stuttered etc

Rest assured, I'm sure most of the guys on this board would only have the highest praises for your appearence in this day and age

 

[georgebushmoron]

Racism, like sexism, is "institutionalized". I don't mean we set up institutions to be racist or sexist, but that institutions are created with a framework that reflects the dominant sector of society (ie: in the case of race, "caucasian", and in the case of gender, "male"). The understood "standard" of behavioural norms propagates from this. It is why when someone is female or non-caucasian, then an exception is stated. It is also why many females and non-caucasians feel marginalized because they do not feel that larger society or institutions reflect their needs and concerns. It is also why caucasian males are often oblivious to their complaints of any number of inequities, preferring to believe that all is equal. Some women and non-caucasians, however, have gone so far as to have integrated the perspective of the institution and consider their own needs and concerns as marginal. That is why some women think that being female is less than being male, and why some non-caucasians feel themselves inferior.

 

[nube]

Miss Shay;

Most people have to condem someone else to make them selves feel good.

YOU on the other hand are now stronger for the experience...so in the end, you are a winner!

 

[bigmoe69er]

Racism

earned ? I have yet to meet a born racist, though I met more then a few people born into situations where it's a foregone conclusion that they will end up as racists. Under "normal" social circumstances, why do people develop racist or bigoted attitudes ? Is the behaviour of members of various ethnic groups, where that behaviour is outside the "accepted" norm, the trigger for learned racism ? Some opinions, if you would.

Racism is never "earned". To say it is "earned" would be saying that victimization is deserved under certain circumstances. NOT!
Yes, racism is most certainly learned through behavioral modelling and conditioning at the family, peer, and societal levels. It is never a "foregone conclusion" that certain individuals "will end up as racists", but precipitating environmental influences can stack the deck heavily in that direction.



---Dr. Moe

 

[LaCreme]

for myself some say about me i am judgemental because for my young age i've seen it all..yeah for real some are good and some are bad.

i am not racist is i look most of the time how the person behave.. look at your friend that indicate you some idea about you. i work with all type of ethnic groupe some care cool and some are not cool. some gave the image of cool and finaly are not cool.. some like me who give the image who dont give a fuck for some reason are fucking cool.


lately i had trouble with arabic people.. also my boss in montreal is one. i hate him as hell..because he was nice the frist week then i got to know them more and more and mor i find out i simply hate him.. one i dont like the way he work and i dont like the way he see at women like me. i dont like the fact he steat me like a slave to work 12 a days and 6 hours a week . i am dude this is summer time i need some space to see old friend too is sort of love and hate game the money longterm is better then escorting and hate the way he run us also most people who work for them quite too i might so next week for many reason.

i was in a bbq with some arabic person because my girlfriend knew them and the food was very good.. we stopped by and grab a chicken and eat and sit a little bit.. they were very nice and thx them for the invitation!

so here i have the same etchinc group but not the same behaving.
yes i am judgemental but i think i am quite fair.

is funny the first time i hear about asian racist was when i was in bc.. i hear some white people compaining about it ah well i am from montreal and i never had none.. my best girlfriend here are japanease. when i was in high school the only girlfriend i had was coreen.. and i love asian food!

i think some one saw that thread.. this is crazy..!!!!
to make a short story what happen today they change the dude who supervise us. simply wow! the person in charge is much more nicer and talkable thanks to the person who made it happen

 

[CJ Tylers]

Racism is never "earned". To say it is "earned" would be saying that victimization is deserved under certain circumstances. NOT!
Yes, racism is most certainly learned through behavioral modelling and conditioning at the family, peer, and societal levels. It is never a "foregone conclusion" that certain individuals "will end up as racists", but precipitating environmental influences can stack the deck heavily in that direction.



---Dr. Moe

Not quite Dr. Moe. "Earned" racism does occasionally occur when a group of people belonging to the same racial sub type engage in activities that end up prejudicing people (typically victims of their transgressions) against a race as a whole (the old stereo type).

It isn't fair, but it can be "earned". That is how I define earned, at least. Learned racism occurs when parents or people in positions of power or influence work to make you think in a certain way... rather than actual contact with the people in question.

 

[LaCreme]

Not quite Dr. Moe. "Earned" racism does occasionally occur when a group of people belonging to the same racial sub type engage in activities that end up prejudicing people (typically victims of their transgressions) against a race as a whole (the old stereo type).

It isn't fair, but it can be "earned". That is how I define earned, at least. Learned racism occurs when parents or people in positions of power or influence work to make you think in a certain way... rather than actual contact with the people in question.

racism should not exist!

 

[The Bostonian]

Interesting comments, but sad to say but racism will always exist.

 

[bigmoe69er]

CJ Tylers

Not quite Dr. Moe. "Earned" racism does occasionally occur when a group of people belonging to the same racial sub type engage in activities that end up prejudicing people (typically victims of their transgressions) against a race as a whole (the old stereo type).

It isn't fair, but it can be "earned". That is how I define earned, at least. Learned racism occurs when parents or people in positions of power or influence work to make you think in a certain way... rather than actual contact with the people in question.

Racism can NEVER be "earned", only learned, shaped, and conditioned. What you are describing is a component of racism called justification. Such scenarios do occur, and it is indeed unfortunate. A race of people NEVER "earns" racism as a result of actions from individuals or groups belonging to the race. This type of reasoning is stereotypical and racist.


---Dr. Moe

 

[Hedonist7]

Solution

We've just got to f*** one another until there are no more races - just one big beautiful blend of happy participants...

 

[CJ Tylers]

La Creme, I most whole heartedly agree with you that racism should not exist. It's something I actually didn't grow up with, only really experiencing it once I got into high school.

Dr. Moe... I disagree to an extent with your analysis. You missed the point of my post, which was that by acting in a certain way (either being racist or simply exhibiting violent or anti social behaviors), a small group of people can condition someone to think negatively as a whole... which occurs when you mostly deal with the negative stereotypes.

It is "earned" only in that the person exhibiting the racism was not taught from peers or parents to believe that way (which is learned, in my books), but by personal experience. As for justification, there IS NO justification for racism. Plain and Simple.

Unfortunately, the originally wronged party now ends up applying that particular sentiment to all people who appear to fit their preconceived notions.

It is rather bothersome how alot of racism is brought in to the country by immigrants. We have enough low lying racism here, I think, and we don't need any imported.... but that's exactly what happens.

Look at it another way... cops and rehab counsellors tend to develope preconceived notions about a great number of people, based on their experiences. If a large enough racial population is involved in their line of work, they start to see everyone they meet from that nationality from that perspective (the drunken, loutish indian/native stereotype of a bygone era, anyone? The scummy, white, drug addicted trash of the current era?).

Heck, we even attatch meaning to where you're from! We make assumptions that because so and so is from Surrey...or West Van... there's something common with all of them.

Actually, the issue at hand goes farther than racism. It goes right to the human nature of judging others, and pigeon holing them to suit our purposes and concepts of life in general.

my 2 cents on the matter, at least...

 

[mick_eight]

Watch '' Crash '' a few times and you'll see racism from a viewpoint that makes you realize how communications can be misunderstood and thought to be racist when in fact none was intended. What happens after is then called racism by one or both. with lifelong results. With out good and well thought out communication, racism will never end

 

[LaCreme]

Interesting comments, but sad to say but racism will always exist.

American you?