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NEbaD

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"Some kind of compensation" is more something I could work with, even if I might not get behind it completely. Depending on the situation, I could see leaving $20-$50, perhaps (whatever amount; would be open to consideration) and that would be as much courtesy as compensation IMO.

We keep going back to restaurants, so I'll keep with the theme (though it applies to almost any business I think)... Ask yourself: when was the last time you were ever given a free meal after something was unsatisfactory? It's happened to me a couple times - not often, but a few. More frequently, I've had items taken off the bill, or a free dessert, or something.

Now, ask yourself: when has an escort, agency or indy or whatever, tried to "make it right" for you? For me, the answer is once & once only. I was offered a discounted session at what was already my favourite spot, and even though it was well-deserved, I refused to accept the discount; truly the gesture was everything I needed, as it was firm acknowledgement and a physical attempt towards reparations.

With that in mind, why the heck should it be demanded that you or I or any customer pay full price for time we didn't take? All time is money, not just escorts, and I've NEVER heard of a girl offering any completely free sessions for ghosting last minute and wasting a customer's time.

It would maybe be different if one was replying to an ad that clearly communicated exactly what the person looked like, face, body, age, everything, and which gave an honest account of what could one could expect. I understand full well that doing such would cede so much discretion and privacy of the women working, and I would never realistically expect any of them to do as I've presented, however, if we're going to walk in somewhat blind (which we all almost always do when meeting a new sp) then I suggest that it's only reasonable that sometimes we're not going to be attracted to the person on the other side of the door, at no fault of our own. So why should we have to try and fuck someone we aren't attracted to and don't want to be with? And moreover to pay for it? Just because we responded to an ad with a blurred face and a false age, with pictures that may or may not be of the person we're meeting? Lunacy.

If a girl says to you "I don't care if you're paying, I don't want to have sex with you" do you expect her to do so anyways? Yet we should, and we should pay for it- the more I flesh out my thoughts in this post, the crazier it seems! So I'll just stop there, and reiterate a final point:

We're all adults, and hopefully most of us decent people. I would like to think in those situations, a token "hey, look, I'm very sorry & I know it's awkward AF, but you closely resemble a family member and this just won't work for me. Not your fault, and again I'm very sorry--please let me offer you 40 dollars for the inconvenience" ought to be more than enough in most situations.
 

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With that in mind, why the heck should it be demanded that you or I or any customer pay full price for time we didn't take?
You booked the time, you took it out of the schedule. You have absorbed the time. That's like saying why do I need to pay for the burger I ordered but didn't eat.
 

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Can you recall one time where that involved not eating the food you ordered, walking out, and not paying the bill?

If you did that they certainly would not want you to come back again, and I think that's fair.
It was there willingness to correct the situation that made me "want" to pay, actually. I ordered something else, and was not charged for two dishes. Of course I paid for my new meal... as I ate it. If I didn't, I know the manager wouldn't have charged me for the original order, as she said she wouldn't. The waitress that served us drinks... I also gave her a huge tip that night. That manager did everything to make sure me and my GF, at that time, were taken care of, and I loved how she did it by not blaming anyone (me, the kitchen staff, the waitress, etc). She took ownership, which is what all good managers do, and did not deflect that ownership. Again, this is the mindset I am referring to. For the most part, customers just want to that they've been heard.
 
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Sophia Fae YVR

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"Some kind of compensation" is more something I could work with, even if I might not get behind it completely. Depending on the situation, I could see leaving $20-$50, perhaps (whatever amount; would be open to consideration) and that would be as much courtesy as compensation IMO.

We keep going back to restaurants, so I'll keep with the theme (though it applies to almost any business I think)... Ask yourself: when was the last time you were ever given a free meal after something was unsatisfactory? It's happened to me a couple times - not often, but a few. More frequently, I've had items taken off the bill, or a free dessert, or something.

Now, ask yourself: when has an escort, agency or indy or whatever, tried to "make it right" for you? For me, the answer is once & once only. I was offered a discounted session at what was already my favourite spot, and even though it was well-deserved, I refused to accept the discount; truly the gesture was everything I needed, as it was firm acknowledgement and a physical attempt towards reparations.

With that in mind, why the heck should it be demanded that you or I or any customer pay full price for time we didn't take? All time is money, not just escorts, and I've NEVER heard of a girl offering any completely free sessions for ghosting last minute and wasting a customer's time.

It would maybe be different if one was replying to an ad that clearly communicated exactly what the person looked like, face, body, age, everything, and which gave an honest account of what could one could expect. I understand full well that doing such would cede so much discretion and privacy of the women working, and I would never realistically expect any of them to do as I've presented, however, if we're going to walk in somewhat blind (which we all almost always do when meeting a new sp) then I suggest that it's only reasonable that sometimes we're not going to be attracted to the person on the other side of the door, at no fault of our own. So why should we have to try and fuck someone we aren't attracted to and don't want to be with? And moreover to pay for it? Just because we responded to an ad with a blurred face and a false age, with pictures that may or may not be of the person we're meeting? Lunacy.

If a girl says to you "I don't care if you're paying, I don't want to have sex with you" do you expect her to do so anyways? Yet we should, and we should pay for it- the more I flesh out my thoughts in this post, the crazier it seems! So I'll just stop there, and reiterate a final point:

We're all adults, and hopefully most of us decent people. I would like to think in those situations, a token "hey, look, I'm very sorry & I know it's awkward AF, but you closely resemble a family member and this just won't work for me. Not your fault, and again I'm very sorry--please let me offer you 40 dollars for the inconvenience" ought to be more than enough in most situations.
We aren’t restaurants... If you look at other services like RMTs, chiropractors, therapists, etc... 95% of them have cancellation policies. If you don’t cancel with more than 24hrs notice, you pay the cancellation fee... Which is often 50-100% of the original fee, since, as mentioned above... You booked the time. If the provider is nothing like advertised or has some horrid hygiene, that’s a different situation. But if it’s just a matter of attraction or preference after you’ve done your own due diligence and gone ahead and booked the session, that’s on you bud and the provider should be paid for the time booked (or maybe a portion, if she’s agreeable)?
 

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It was there willingness to correct the situation that made me "want" to pay, actually. I ordered something else, and was not charged for two dishes. Of course I paid for my new meal... as I ate it. If I didn't, I know the manager wouldn't have charged me for the original order, as she said she wouldn't. The waitress that served us drinks... I also gave her a huge tip that night. That manager did everything to make sure me and my GF, at that time, were taken care of, and I loved how she did it by not blaming anyone (me, the kitchen staff, the waitress, etc). She took ownership, which is what all good managers do, and did not deflect that ownership. Again, this is the mindset I am referring to. For the most part, customers just want to that they've been heard.
So when applied to OP, the girl should have.. corrected her mistake of looking like someone he knows?

I just find it interesting how a lot of these comments paint the guy as the victim of the situation.
 

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The restaurant analogy is just bad you guys. They're not meals, lol. If that's the route we're going as far as analogies maybe liken them to chefs who sell private experiences and not inanimate plated food that restaurants feed their workers for free and dump the leftovers in the dumpster when there's excess.
 

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Problem is he didn't eat. If he ate and didn't pay then yes your analogy works.
It's more like, if you made a reservation at a restaurant, ordered your food and then showed up and before you sat down you changed your mind and left. Still ridiculous to compare providers to restaurants, but if you must, thats the closest.
 

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It's more like, if you made a reservation at a restaurant, ordered your food and then showed up and before you sat down you changed your mind and left. Still ridiculous to compare providers to restaurants, but if you must, thats the closest.
People aren't food. Stop with the shitty anology. If you cancel something like a dentist it's like 40 bucks. Full stop
I removed my other post to reflect my stance on the restaurant anology
 

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People aren't food. Stop with the shitty anology. If you cancel something like a dentist it's like 40 bucks. Full stop
If you read my entire post, I literally said its a shitty comparison... I also said in a few posts above that other professional services have standard cancellation policies, with less than 24hours notice or a no show (which this would be considered), it is STANDARD to pay 50-100% of the session fee. Chiropractors, RMTs, Naturopaths, etc. If you can't deal with might or might not be behind the door after all the effort that most providers make in creating websites, getting photos done, setting up their space, answering questions that are easily found on the websites and ads they created, reviews from past clients... then go somewhere with a lineup and stop wasting providers time. Full stop.
 

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Everything in your life is your own fault.

If you got blacklisted it's your fault because you walked.

If your client doesn't like how your face looks it's your fault because your photo didn't show your face.
 

duneek

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It's an underground industry fellas. One governed by unwritten rules and customs that we all are supposed to adhere to as participants. A social contract of sorts. It's not your well off dentist, it's not your local diner, it's not Nordstrom's, it's nothing like any of the businesses it's being compared to.

It's hypocritical to participate in it knowing the industry is not above board but then expect the providers to adhere to legitimate business standards of customer service where the customer is always right or some BS. Respect the game. If the provider doesn't respect the game (bait and switch, lies about services or prices) then the social contract is broken and we can act accordingly. But if she honored everything that was agreed upon prior to arrival, you're a dick for backing out.

Or like the comment above references, only see providers who show their faces or visit MP's to view the lineup. Knowing you might be disappointed and still booking a provider's time while also knowing you might walk is foul.
 
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ediug

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It's an underground industry fellas. One governed by unwritten rules and customs that we all are supposed to adhere to as participants. A social contract of sorts. It's not your well off dentist, it's not your local diner, it's not Nordstrom's, it's nothing like any of the businesses it's being compared to.

It's hypocritical to participate in it knowing the industry is not above board but then expect the providers to adhere to legitimate business standards of customer service where the customer is always right or some BS. Respect the game. If the provider doesn't respect the game (bait and switch, lies about services or prices) then the social contract is broken and we can act accordingly. But if she honored everything that was agreed upon prior to arrival, you're a dick for backing out.
D you said what I wanted to say just few mins before I’m about to type. Thanks (y)
 

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Asian Fever said:
Your impacting the income of the girl by taking up time in her schedule that could have been given to an actual customer.
Asian Fever said:
So we're supposed to get another client within 5 minutes? Don't think so.
It's lost opportunity cost, not lost revenue.


Went into a sleep country store a few weeks ago shopping for a new mattress.
2 sales person + 4,groups of customers (I was the last one to walk in)

Both sales person were doing their best to accommodate all customers but you know how much time people to take in a mattress store. Trying on different ones, checking and comparing prices, etc.

While the 1st 2 groups of customers were being taken care of, 3rd customer left without even talking to any of the sales person (after waiting impatiently for about 20 min). 5 min later, the 2nd customer said she can not make up her mind and left the store before I was served.
 

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So when applied to OP, the girl should have.. corrected her mistake of looking like someone he knows?

I just find it interesting how a lot of these comments paint the guy as the victim of the situation.
I previously stated that I understand both sides of the argument. It's no one's fault this happened, so I'm not placing blame on the SP. Just saying a service mindset on the SP's part, combined with some generosity on the customer's part (offering to pay a cancellation amount, for example)... together can make a bad situation much better.
 

ediug

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I previously stated that I understand both sides of the argument. It's no one's fault this happened, so I'm not placing blame on the SP. Just saying a service mindset on the SP's part, combined with some generosity on the customer's part (offering to pay a cancellation amount, for example)... together can make a bad situation much better.
no one always wins. if there's false advertising, like ads saying 20 but seeing 60 granny then walk the hell away without hesitation. i think we all have fair points. I've visited AF a few times and all pic and videos were real. so basically you know how the girl looks like and walking out last min then you should compensate them. however, as TOAO said if there is false advertisement then just walk away. no hard feeling at all.

Let's just not confuse ourselves with different scenarios and solutions. Also, we are not living in Utopia and shit happens. therefore, it's also important to just let it go. I consider myself as a nice player who's respectful and pays good tips, but guess what. I don't always get to see ladies I like to see and sometimes I don't get a reply after trying multiple times. so what, it's life and you dont always get what you want even when you can afford. Plain and sample.
 

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Seems like both perceptions.

Personally I don't feel that walking from a session for not feeling coumftable before partaking in any services should require full payment. I don't know about everyone else but my perception has been based on the advertisments, they are usually worded around the services provided and time is how long you have access to the services for. Maybe spelling out clearly would make things easier for both sides... Might make things worse... Not sure.

Going forward, I for sure have learned from this discussion and will be more conscious of providers time.
 

jackjack

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I will have to side with AF on the "She looks like my sister" thing.. that's like ordering a hamburger and then refusing it because you changed your mind.. At that point you should pay.... as the provider did nothing wrong.
Provider didn't want to show her face in the ad it's still her fault.
 

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Provider didn't want to show her face in the ad it's still her fault.
If she doesn't want to show her face because of privacy reasons but you decide to come anyway, why is it her fault?
 
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