This is why I hate politics.....Seen a bit of Andrew Yang in the USA election, he's someone that looks/sounds promising. He at least answers questions and seems to want to make USA better...everyone else just wants to "win"
2019 Election thread
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Tell me about it. The moment they won they forgot how they won: with NDP and Green support because of that promise. They had their heads up their own asses and decided that it was all their own charisma.
What's worse was that they dismissed the electoral reform idea based on the outcome of a survey that was clearly engineered not to draw any coherent conclusions. I took the survey and with every question I just became more demoralised. It was pretty obvious they were trying to kill it.
Bet hey who needs a fair and honest system of government when you've got legal pot? (Sarcasm)
For some reason Peter Mansbridge's parting words on election night stuck with me and haunt me: "the last unfair election" (spoken in a dubious tone). We all knew it was bullshit.
First of all who really gives a flying fuck what these people think. They’re a bunch of entitled white people. Do you really think they have any real perspective on this?
Secondly comments like this show racism is alive and well in Canada. For them to think there is nothing wrong with his costume or that this is somehow distracting from the “real issues” speaks for itself.
These fucking people have no clue!
lol, if any of that was even remotely close to being true
he would have revealed it when he ran for the Liberal Leadership
he got caught, outed, plain and simple
he's a lying hypocrite, he has no decency, if he did, at the very least, he'd say he was going to stop calling everyone who disagrees with him a Nazi, if he had any, he's already said he won't
you're just like the Republicans in the states, you'll say anything to defend the indefensible
it's just getting sadder by the day, the grope, Aga Khan, SNC, Obstructing the RCMP, India trip
he's simply not a leader, he's a lying Sack of Shit, just like Trump, thinks laws don't apply to him, incompetent, plain and simple
there is no defending him
if he had decency and balls
he would have already gone away
his arrogance and ego won't let him
I call bullshit on the idea that first past the post is unfair electorally.Every Canadian that is eligible to vote can vote.They vote for the candidate/party of their respective choice.They system is set up that ballot box stuffing is hard to do.After the polls
close the votes are tallied and in each riding the candidate with the most votes wins the seat.What can be fairer than that?
Ah but then you have the NDP/Greens who push for and want Proportional Representation.If the NDP got 18% of the vote they would get 18% of the seats in Parliament.Same with is the Greens got 12% of the vote they would get 12% of the seats
in Parliament.Yet in both instances for the NDP/Greens and most especially for the Greens they would not have actually gotten enough ballots in the majority of those ridings to actually WIN those ridings.
At the same time if Proportional Representation was enacted how on earth do you actually get the Constituents of say a seat in Parliament in Alberta arbitrarily awarded to a Green MP when that Green MP wants to shut down the oil & gas industry to be in any way happy about it.They are not going to be happy they are going to be open to revolt.
Proportional Representation is nothing but participation trophy politics.It empowers the fringe parties who have no honest real chance of winning any serious amount of representation.
If the Green party got 10% of the vote and then gets 33 seats in Parliament handed to them when they maybe might have won between 2-3 seats by actual ballot counts in ridings from coast to coast that is just utterly FUCKED.It is ignoring the will of the electorate.
Take a look at Europe to see how well Proportional Representation has worked......it is nothing but a fucking joke.
Go back to when that pussy wimp Stephan Dion along with Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe tried to hijack government with an attempt of a coalition government and the refrain from Canadians was resounding in that the response was "I did not vote for those assholes!" and it was a very loud reaction to say the least.
SR
Every voting system has it's flaws. FPtP definitely does, but PR is hardly the miracle cure. Look at, for instance, Spain. They've called for their 4th election in the past four years, because no single party has been able to hold a majority. Due to PR lots of minor parties obtained seats, and while in theory this sounds good with lots of different voices being heard, in practice this means the government is dysfunctional. No one can hold a governing coalition together because not enough of the different parties can agree long enough to get things done. The result is just election after election until someone hopefully gets enough seats.
You know we've had this conversation before right?
The short rebuttal for anyone that cares: "we did not vote for those assholes" is exactly the response the majority of Canadians had to the last several Harper governments, because they got majority control (eventually) with a minority of the votes.
It comes down to whether you value regional representation more (which you do) or a balance of ideologies in the government that are reflective of the balance of ideologies of the electorate as a whole, regardless of geography (which I do). The Harper government (and to be fair they were not unique in this) proved that regional representation didn't mean shit. You voted on party lines, not the interests of your constituents.
FPtP is basically our version of the electoral college.
There's an exception to every rule. This is one of them. Not because of his blackface incidents, thats just one in a long list of transgressions and hypocrisies but his management of the economy during good times (largely due to a strong US economy) has been a disaster.
While people like to compare Scheer to Doug Ford, Justin is following the Kathleen Wynne philosophy spending money like a drunken sailor (hey Trevor Noah, here's 50 million just because and hey lets buy that pipeline with taxpayers money for 4.5 billion so we cant use it)...and we saw what happened to her and the Ontario Liberals. This should and I believe will have more of an impact on the election than his "blackface" during the current campaign.
You can see what his budgetary promises were in this article and how he absolutely failed to even try to deliver, just like every other promise he made, except on weed and he even screwed that up. This is from a news outlet that loves Trudeau and usually defends him vigorously.
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/federal-government-posts-third-straight-150113993.html
You nailed it dead center.The assault rifle ban and discretionary handgun ban was the Lieberals attempting to "change the channel" because the Lieberal friendly media could not get away with doing it for them.
Obtaining a non restricted firearm PAL in Canada is not easy.You have to take a firearms course which includes a written test as well as a range test.You have to pass a background check which includes the RCMP contacting your current spouse as well as any ex spouse not to mention mental fitness etc.For a restricted firearm PAL to own handguns it is even more onerous and carries with it a shitload of conditions.First off you have to be a member of a range.If you want to transport a handgun you have to give LE notice/ask permission.At any time LE wishes they can knock on your door and DEMAND to inspect the storage of your restricted hand guns with regards to storage/gun safety.I wont even go into the Prohibited firearm classification as that is another kettle of fish.I do know a guy who legally owns an Uzi though it does not really matter as he sold the magazines to it so it is essentially a cool paper weight but it must still be locked up in a gun safe.All law abiding gun owners in Canada willingly do this as firearms in Canada are not a right but a privilege unlike in the USA.
Gang members/criminals etc do not apply for a gun license.They buy guns illegally on the black market and use them to commit crimes.They do not take safe storage into consideration as law requires.
I remember when the Lieberals brought in the Long Gun Registry and said it would cost 2 MILLION to implement.It cost 2 BILLION and all it did was make law abiding gun owners into criminals if they did not register their long guns such as a rifle for taking down a deer/moose/caribou etc as well as shotguns used for water fowl and upland birds such as ducks/geese/grouse/ptarmigan/partridge etc.
The intent was to Change the channel on the brownface scandal and it is a pretty sleazy way to do it.
I will say though that through this "brown face" scandal it has completely removed the racial identity slant to this election.The Lieberals sure as hell will not be screaming identity politics at the Conservatives anytime as that is like pulling the pin on a grenade and
then shoving that grenade down your pants.
SR
I have a non-restricted PAL and didn’t have to do any of that stuff. Gave me one when my possession only licence expired.
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The last thing I want is more minority governments and for “the balance of ideologies” to hold even more power. Andrew Weaver should be a non-entity but he lucked into a situation where his fringe party has influence far beyond support. Proportional representation will simply increase the chances of that happening again.
That position is on the Provincial Scale....and it is bad enough....consider it on a National Scale and it leads to Destination Fucked.....a fringe party like the Greens extracting National Proportional Representation so as to prop up a Lieberal Minority Government into power that FUCKS the Country as a whole.
SR
I have been around for an awful lot of elections - starting in 1958. I cannot remember being more disenchanted with the process than I am this time around. Much of the problem relates to the fact that we have too many party "leaders" without the necessary leadership skills. They all seem to be very busy trying to bribe us with our own money - even the ill-conceived gun control???? measures will cost big bucks.
Is there any chance that we can find enough local candidates with integrity and ability to send to Ottawa who would be able to clean out our so-called leaders?
Is there any chance that we can find enough local candidates with integrity and ability to send to Ottawa who would be able to clean out our so-called leaders?
Why? As it stands FPtP means that more than half the population at any given time does not agree with the chosen government.
If 10% of the population agrees with a party, that's not fringe.
As far as I can tell the strongest opponents to proportional representation oppose it because they don't want to lose the advantage that disproportionately amplifies their power. (Both Harper and Trudeau are equally guilty of that.) They would have to acknowledge and share power with a growing contingent (not fringe) of Canadians that may not think like they do. Typically 60% of Canadians are not represented by the government in power, whichever way it goes. But cooperation seems to be a lost art.
FPtP gives you a fake Liberal majority as easily as it gives you a fake Conservative majority.
You and Storm Rider ok with another fake-majority Liberal government (or fake-majority Conservative government, whichever it is you least want)?
If all ridings voted for the independant, then you might get things done for people and the country....
until then, the different parties will use your own tax dollars to bribe you... at getting a 2% tax refund for the 10% tax increase you will vote them in for.....
until then, the different parties will use your own tax dollars to bribe you... at getting a 2% tax refund for the 10% tax increase you will vote them in for.....
so you think that if we keep letting in those who are Islamists, Sharia Law wannabes, who will eventually possibly make up 10% of the pop, they wouldn't be fringe?
how about the Greens now, May is basically saying we need to shutdown our economy, because you'd have to be delusional to think that we can actually do what she's saying
no oil, gas, propane, plastics, air flight, ect.....
if that isn't fringe what is?
don't care if they get 10%
they're still fringe
the Nazi Party, gets 10%, you wouldn't call them fringe? lol
fringe isn't a percentage, it's a ideology
stupid ideologies
