America's Gun Violence Problem Explained in 18 Charts

[Tugela]

Almost everything you have said is false.

https://www.investors.com/politics/...-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/

What you are suggesting would result in civil war in the U.S.

According to the CDC the US has ~33000 gun related deaths a year. About 62% of those are suicides, about 10k are homicides and the balance accidental/police shootings.

Mass shootings are generally considered 4 or more deaths in an episode, not 15. Mass shootings occur in the US on average once a day. You need to not cherry pick data that makes your argument look stronger and look at the whole picture. Shootings with 15 or more fatalities are relatively rare and usually are associated with some sort of politically motivated terrorism event. Outside of terrorism, mass shootings in places like Europe, when they occur, tend to be around military installations, because that is where you find guns in those countries. In the US it tends to be in schools and businesses mostly, since guns are widely distributed among the general population

For reference, per capita gun homicides in the US in 2010 was 3.61 per 100k. In Canada (the next highest in the developed world) it is 0.50 per 100k, so the US gun homicide rate is 7x higher than Canada.

In France the number is 0.20, so the US was 18x higher than France.

In the UK the number was 0.06, so the US was 60x higher than the UK.

In Japan the number was 0.01, so the US was 360x higher than Japan.

Those are big differences. No other developed country is even vaguely close. If you plot a bar graph listing the developed countries they are all fairly low, but with a giant peak where the US is on the graph. It is a clear anomaly among developed nations.

They are BY FAR the most violent country when it comes to gun homicides. In fact, if you look at the relationship between gun regulation, there is a clear correlation between the levels of gun homicides and the levels of gun regulation. The countries with the highest levels of gun regulation are also the countries with the lowest gun homicide rates.

 

[poorboyv6]

You use selective data and information to push your pro-gun opinion. I bet you never cared to read my other posts with links to articles that show America has a lot of guns but most Americans do not have guns. Most guns in America are owned by a minority of population.

Gun politics is complicated because of the NRA propaganda and conservarive politics of brown-nosing NRA.

But legislative measures will be taken. Already, an important measure is being taken in Florida by a Republican governor in the wake of the most recent mass shooting.

Which has resulted in a spike in gun sales. Just like it always does.

https://www.naplesnews.com/story/ne...-after-high-profile-mass-shootings/360300002/

Anti gun people are responsible for driving gun sales more than any other group. Congratulations on putting more guns in the hands of the people.

 

[poorboyv6]

According to the CDC the US has ~33000 gun related deaths a year. About 62% of those are suicides, about 10k are homicides and the balance accidental/police shootings.

Mass shootings are generally considered 4 or more deaths in an episode, not 15. Mass shootings occur in the US on average once a day. You need to not cherry pick data that makes your argument look stronger and look at the whole picture. Shootings with 15 or more fatalities are relatively rare and usually are associated with some sort of politically motivated terrorism event. Outside of terrorism, mass shootings in places like Europe, when they occur, tend to be around military installations, because that is where you find guns in those countries. In the US it tends to be in schools and businesses mostly, since guns are widely distributed among the general population

For reference, per capita gun homicides in the US in 2010 was 3.61 per 100k. In Canada (the next highest in the developed world) it is 0.50 per 100k, so the US gun homicide rate is 7x higher than Canada.

In France the number is 0.20, so the US was 18x higher than France.

In the UK the number was 0.06, so the US was 60x higher than the UK.

In Japan the number was 0.01, so the US was 360x higher than Japan.

Those are big differences. No other developed country is even vaguely close. If you plot a bar graph listing the developed countries they are all fairly low, but with a giant peak where the US is on the graph. It is a clear anomaly among developed nations.

They are BY FAR the most violent country when it comes to gun homicides. In fact, if you look at the relationship between gun regulation, there is a clear correlation between the levels of gun homicides and the levels of gun regulation. The countries with the highest levels of gun regulation are also the countries with the lowest gun homicide rates.

CDC's definition of mass shootings, is 4 or more people, by their own definition. There's no standard number. The Crime Prevention Research Center uses 15. They have no affiliation to any firearms manufacturer. So who's cherry picking the data? Neither of us.

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/c...m-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

 

[ddcanz]

Anti gun people are responsible for driving gun sales more than any other group. Congratulations on putting more guns in the hands of the people.

You've said this numerous times, and the only point I see is that when Mom or Dad say "no, you can't" the spoiled brat thinks- "well, yes, I can" and immediately does the opposite.
Doesn't say much for the mentality of certain gun advocates.
How much more "stocking up" needs to be done?

 

[badbadboy]

CDC's definition of mass shootings, is 4 or more people, by their own definition. There's no standard number. The Crime Prevention Research Center uses 15. They have no affiliation to any firearms manufacturer. So who's cherry picking the data? Neither of us.

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/c...m-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

John Lott is a conservative who has written about more guns, less violence.

Lott’s work has been called “junk science” as he has been accused of accepting funding from the National Rifle Association

So CDC's value of four vs Lott's value of 15 enables Crime Prevention Research to skew the numbers a la junk science. I shake my head when I read the CDC's number of four is unacceptable to you but then realized using 15 makes the science work for a gun advacates argument. In reality most mass shootings are 4 or more, not 15.

By their definition, Norway is the most dangerous place to live because they are number 1 in Gun violence? They cherry picked that one due to one mass shooting of 77 people and Norway has a small population.

These arguments of yours are farcical given the sources of your data.

 

[westwoody]

In other numercy-challenged news:

An airline dropped its discount for NRA.
I was looking at their twitter where they announced it.
A gun nut posted something like " good luck replacing that hundred million customers".
The gun lobby is quickly losing its power.

 

[badbadboy]

I explained some of the bias in the video.


It's been previously mentioned ad nauseam that any legislative action drives gun sales. In case you missed it yet again, Obama was the greatest gun salesman in U.S. history. Plenty of data to back it up. You couldn't be bothered to look it up, so someone did it for you. Click his link or just do an internet search.

I've stated before that gun politics is a very complicated issue. Your simple suggestion has been proven many times over not to work, yet for some reason, you still push it. It's people like you who have no idea what they are talking about that actually drive gun sales by pushing a misguided agenda!

It may gall you, but the do nothing strategy has caused the greatest deflation in guns and ammunition sales in the past 20 years. I've stated before the number of companies that have made layoffs or are in bankruptcy under the Trump administration that had record sales under Obama. You should go back and take a look at what I wrote. Better yet, do some research and look at the data.

The history of the gun and the history of America have been intertwined since the colonies were established. It's the way Americans want to live. It's in their constitution.

You keep twisting facts about Obama's Presidency.

He attempted to get Congress to support gun controls such as limiting Mag size etc. Nothing ever happened due to Republican Congress being in the hip pocket of the NRA.

One Executive order he did make was the Social Security were to report applications by new licence who had a mental health history to the FBI. FBI maintains the gun licensing list in the USA.

#45 reversed Obama's executive order in 2017.

Just think. Parkland may never have happened if #45 had left it alone.

Gun and Ammo sales surged under Obama because gun owners were paranoid that gun control might limit their purchasing power. Zero selling involved. All paranoia.

https://www.thoughtco.com/obama-gun-laws-passed-by-congress-3367595

 

[sybian]

You keep twisting facts about Obama's Presidency.

He attempted to get Congress to support gun controls such as limiting Mag size etc. Nothing ever happened due to Republican Congress being in the hip pocket of the NRA.

One Executive order he did make was the Social Security were to report applications by new licence who had a mental health history to the FBI. FBI maintains the gun licensing list in the USA.

#45 reversed Obama's executive order in 2017.

Just think. Parkland may never have happened if #45 had left it alone.

Gun and Ammo sales surged under Obama because gun owners were paranoid that gun control might limit their purchasing power. Zero selling involved. All paranoia.

https://www.thoughtco.com/obama-gun-laws-passed-by-congress-3367595

Yes......there was a shortage of popular caliber ammo even in Canada ,due to panic buying in the US.

 

[westwoody]

Trump patting himself on the back for fixing a problem he created...oh God.

Yeah he allowed mentally ill to get guns and now he wants to stop it so he can look like he is doing something.

 

[poorboyv6]

John Lott is a conservative who has written about more guns, less violence.

Lott’s work has been called “junk science” as he has been accused of accepting funding from the National Rifle Association

So CDC's value of four vs Lott's value of 15 enables Crime Prevention Research to skew the numbers a la junk science. I shake my head when I read the CDC's number of four is unacceptable to you but then realized using 15 makes the science work for a gun advacates argument. In reality most mass shootings are 4 or more, not 15.

By their definition, Norway is the most dangerous place to live because they are number 1 in Gun violence? They cherry picked that one due to one mass shooting of 77 people and Norway has a small population.

These arguments of yours are farcical given the sources of your data.

I will concede there is a bias in his research.

I will also point out though that bias exists on both sides.

 

[poorboyv6]

You've said this numerous times, and the only point I see is that when Mom or Dad say "no, you can't" the spoiled brat thinks- "well, yes, I can" and immediately does the opposite.
Doesn't say much for the mentality of certain gun advocates.
How much more "stocking up" needs to be done?

Some are first time buyers, but the large majority already own at least one, and in some cases several of the same type of firearm. Does a person need more than 2 guns of the same type? Most likely not. Most competitive shooters usually just have a primary and backup. It's difficult to stay proficient on scores of different types of firearms.

It's not an issue of need. It's what they want. As far as their mentality goes, it's one of the things that makes Canada different than the U.S. Americans as a whole do not like being told what to do and are a defiant bunch.

 

[poorboyv6]

Trump patting himself on the back for fixing a problem he created...oh God.

Yeah he allowed mentally ill to get guns and now he wants to stop it so he can look like he is doing something.

Should Trump be running the U.S? I don't think so. He is a sociopath and all about himself. I think he is a closet racist and has no values. He is a horrible human being in my opinion. In comparison, Obama was sophisticated and had a good moral compass. I liked him way better than Trump. His only big flaw in my opinion is his hard stance on firearms. He was inadvertently the firearms industry's best friend because of the way his administration handled things.

 

[sybian]

Some are first time buyers, but the large majority already own at least one, and in some cases several of the same type of firearm. Does a person need more than 2 guns of the same type? Most likely not. Most competitive shooters usually just have a primary and backup. It's difficult to stay proficient on scores of different types of firearms.

It's not an issue of need. It's what they want. As far as their mentality goes, it's one of the things that makes Canada different than the U.S. Americans as a whole do not like being told what to do and are a defiant bunch.

Most competitive shooters will have a back up weapon, of the same make and caliber.....and another third for warm up, random parts, testing different loads, or custom machined barrels.
Your competition gun's barrel is only good for a certain number of rounds...that amount varies from person to person,as well as distance attempted in range, and grouping within that desired distance.

 

[thodisipagal]

Which has resulted in a spike in gun sales. Just like it always does.

https://www.naplesnews.com/story/ne...-after-high-profile-mass-shootings/360300002/

Anti gun people are responsible for driving gun sales more than any other group. Congratulations on putting more guns in the hands of the people.

Your position is abundantly clear. Do nothing; just keep sending sympathies and prayers after each mass shooting. Except sympathies and prayers don't awaken the dead children or keep children safe in their school.

Erratic and reckless public behavior is exactly the reason why legislation is necessary. It's when the legislative proposals fail under NRA pressure that a minority segment of the population rush to gunstores. Once there is strong legislation, like the one in Australia (buy back), the outcome will be positive.

How come there is no waiting period for rifles and AR15, but there is for handguns? How come you have to be 21 to buy handguns but you can buy AR15 when you are 18?

The obsession with gun sales spike after each mass shooting or when gun control discussion starts is what NRA wants, so there is no common sense gun control measures. This might make one wonder if NRA is not behind the mass shootings, just to spike sales.

 

[poorboyv6]

Your position is abundantly clear. Do nothing; just keep sending sympathies and prayers after each mass shooting. Except sympathies and prayers don't awaken the dead children or keep them safe when mass shootings hapoen in their school.

Erratic and reckless public behavior is exactly the reason why legislation us necessary. Its when the legislative proposals fail under NRA pressure that a minority segment of the population rush to gunstores. Once there is strong legislation, like the one in Australia (buy back), the outcome will be positive.

How come there is no waiting period for rifles and AR15, but there is for handguns. How ckme you gave to be 21 to buy handguns but you can buy AR15 when you are 18?

The obsession with gun sales spike after each mass shooting or when gun control discussion starts is what NRA wants, so there is no common sense gun control measures. This might make one wonder if NRA is not behind the mass shooyings, just to spike sales.

I knew someone was going to bring up Australia.

Again, you've done no research. There are more guns in Australia now than before the buyback.

No waiting period for rifles but there is for handguns? How about you do some research. Rifles are used in a low percentage of crimes vs handguns. That's why.

The NRA is behind mass shootings? You're being delusional.

You've made it abundantly clear that the anti gun people don't know anything about the very thing they oppose.

 

[thodisipagal]

I knew someone was going to bring up Australia.

Again, you've done no research. There are more guns in Australia now than before the buyback.

No waiting period for rifles but there is for handguns? How about you do some research. Rifles are used in a low percentage of crimes vs handguns. That's why.

The NRA is behind mass shootings? You're being delusional.

You've made it abundantly clear that the anti gun people don't know anything about the very thing they oppose.

And how many school shootings in Australia? I have no doubt you have a promt answer to that.

Pro-gun people have no interest in saving school children's lives. Gun is too important.

Nothing delusional. Its a response to the NRA narrative that Obama was the biggest gun salesman to keep the status quo of do-nothing Congress

 

[poorboyv6]

And how many school shootings in Australia? I have no doubt you have a promt answer to that.

Pro-gun people have no interest in saving school children's lives. Gun is too important.

Nothing delusional. Its a response to the NRA narrative that Obama was the biggest gun salesman to keep the status quo of do-nothing Congress

You don't do research.

In 2002, there was a shooting spree at Melbourne with 5 injured and 2 killed.

In 2014, there were 3 dead and 4 injured in Sydney.

Also in 2014, there were 8 killed with a knife. Are you looking for a knife ban too?

Things are not all sunshine and lollipops in Australia. It is the belief in Australia that another mass shooting is inevitable.

If you did some research, you would read that Joe Hokey, the current Australian Ambassador to the U.S. who was responsible for crafting the Australian firearms legislation said that those who think Australian gun control would work in the U.S are naïve. The countries are too different.

I've said it before. I like Obama much more than Trump. I believe Obama is a decent human being and a moral man, unlike Trump, but Obama was the greatest inadvertent friend to the firearms industry and gun salesman in U.S. history. The number of sales back it up.

Every time you post, you make it clear you only have a surface knowledge of the problem and think some quick fix will solve it.

 

[CanineCowboy]

I will concede there is a bias in his research.

I will also point out though that bias exists on both sides.

Your man Lott doesn't have a very credible history. When challenged about a research project, he was unable to produce the original data or any record that he had conducted research, he couldn't even remember the names of the students he claimed had worked on the research with him.

He also admitted, once he was caught, to creating a fake online persona to defend and praise himself and his work.

Sorry man, just because you chose biased 'research', from a discredited researcher, to base your argument on, it doesn't mean all research is biased.

 

[thodisipagal]

I knew someone was going to bring up Australia.

Again, you've done no research. There are more guns in Australia now than before the buyback.

No waiting period for rifles but there is for handguns? How about you do some research. Rifles are used in a low percentage of crimes vs handguns. That's why.

The NRA is behind mass shootings? You're being delusional.

You've made it abundantly clear that the anti gun people don't know anything about the very thing they oppose.

Rifles are the violent tool used in mass shooting. Hand guns are not.

NRA is behind mass shooting, yes. Literally and possibly actually. You are welcome to view that position as delusional. May be not as delusional as sending sympathies and prayers after mass shooting and hoping that will somehow prevent more shooting rampage and children from being slaughtered.

Gun is the preferred firearm used in mass shootings. I haven't heard of 19 people murdered at any school by a lone knifeman.

 

[thodisipagal]

You don't do research.

In 2002, there was a shooting spree at Melbourne with 5 injured and 2 killed.

In 2014, there were 3 dead and 4 injured in Sydney.

Also in 2014, there were 8 killed with a knife. Are you looking for a knife ban too?

Things are not all sunshine and lollipops in Australia. It is the belief in Australia that another mass shooting is inevitable.

If you did some research, you would read that Joe Hokey, the current Australian Ambassador to the U.S. who was responsible for crafting the Australian firearms legislation said that those who think Australian gun control would work in the U.S are naïve. The countries are too different.

I've said it before. I like Obama much more than Trump. I believe Obama is a decent human being and a moral man, unlike Trump, but Obama was the greatest inadvertent friend to the firearms industry and gun salesman in U.S. history. The number of sales back it up.

Every time you post, you make it clear you only have a surface knowledge of the problem and think some quick fix will solve it.

You don't see the big picture, do you? Your tactic is to talk about the cherry-picked inconsequential data. You are welcome to view the video in the OP. You may fool yourself, but not very many others. Go ahead, you continue to wallop in your biased opinion; I couldn't care less.