America's Gun Violence Problem Explained in 18 Charts
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Seems the gun control movement is continuing to gain traction as businesses are now cutting their associations with the NRA - no more discounts, no more branding, no more insurance coverage for legal costs ....
Even BlackRock, the world's largest asset manager, and the largest shareholder in gun manufacturers like Sturm Rueger and American Outdoor Brands, is demanding a response to the shooting from gun manufactures.
#boycottNRA remains as one of the top trending hashtags on twitter.
It is starting to look a lot like this is the new #metoo movement and that the NRA is the new Harvey Weinstein?
Even BlackRock, the world's largest asset manager, and the largest shareholder in gun manufacturers like Sturm Rueger and American Outdoor Brands, is demanding a response to the shooting from gun manufactures.
#boycottNRA remains as one of the top trending hashtags on twitter.
It is starting to look a lot like this is the new #metoo movement and that the NRA is the new Harvey Weinstein?
It seems that politicians may be sitting up and taking notice that all these students....will be voters ,in the very near future.
One thing that is definite in North American culture....change comes with the young, and if it's discounted, your future as a company, investor, or political leader ....is temporary.
So are you saying Spielberg isn't sympathetic to victims of crime? Then why did he make a donation?
Like I said before. You can support the firearms industry and victims of crime. They are not mutually exclusive.
You should research the history of the gun and learn about the type of people in the industry. John Browning, the most prolific gun designer in the world, was a devout Mormon. Eli Remington was also very religious, refusing to shoot on Sundays. Joyce Hornady was the son of a Methodist Bishop. Lots of lesser known people in the modern age who are also upstanding citizens that you'd want to have as your neighbours like Larry Potterfield and Bob Brownell.
Gun politics in the U.S. is a very complicated issue. Saying simply to ban certain guns or limit magazine capacities, etc. is too simplistic and ineffective. You are treating symptoms, not causes. America was founded by the gun. It's a huge part of their culture.
.....and there lies the very foundation ,of the monumental task of gaining control.
Sorry, I have zero interest in guns are the gun industry.
You just seem very reluctant to acknowledge that your principal statement about Spielberg was wrong - HE IS A GUN CONTROL ADVOCATE. You can try and spin your progun anarchist militia message to someone else .... I am not buying and not interested.
You can defend Robert Pickton snd also sympathize with the family of his murder victims. Yes, got it.
this argument is fallacious...an appeal to authority
Religion does not imply a morality that precedes using guns in socially and morally acceptable ways.
Often religion is the justification for action that would otherwise be unacceptable.
Zero interest in guns and guns industry? You'd think someone who was so against something would want to know something about it.
Good thing you're not in a position of power. I'd hate to work for someone who doesn't do any research before making a decision.
Spielberg is a smart man. Can't you see he plays both sides? Think about it. He's demonstrated with his wallet he supports the firearms industry. You' don't own hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of firearms and chum around with NRA members unless you support gun rights.
$500,000 is nothing to the man. He's spent $85,000 on a single gun before.
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Robert Pickton was a murderer.
Robert Pickton didn't sympathize with his victims.
How is that the same?
Another guy who knows nothing about firearms and firearms ownership.
Firearms owners are one of the most law abiding groups in Canada and the U.S. A concealed carry holder is six times less likely to be convicted of a crime than a U.S. police officer. 14 times less likely than the public. You're comparing them to Pickton?
If you cared to learn anything about firearms and regulations, you'd know that every firearm owner in Canada is checked every single day for a criminal conviction. Ask a police officer how many times a day they are seizing a firearm.
99% of firearms owners are ordinary people, just like the vast majority of car owners, home owners, etc. What makes you think they don't sympathize with victims of crimes?
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You didn't look up Larry Potterfield or Bob Brownell.
No where in their bios do they say anything about religious affiliations. They are just all around nice guys who contribute to the community and have long time employees because of the good work environment.
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It has nothing to do with what law abiding firearm owners do or do not do. It is about the ready availability of guns.
Training/licensing/background checks will do absolutely nothing about the problem. The only solution is to restrict access to EVERYONE.
Virtually all of the mass shootings are done by people who are legal law abiding gun owners. Well, until they stop abiding by the law and shoot everyone up. Any solution that tries to do something about that small minority after the fact is akin to closing the barn door after the horse has bolted, which I am sure we can all agree is a stupid thing to do.
You need to address the problem BEFORE these people go rogue and commit atrocities. And the only way to do that is to remove most guns from general society, because you otherwise don't know who the fuck they are. It is not like they have "future mass murderer" stamped on their forehead.
You only need to look at the difference between gun homicide rates between the US and Canada, two countries who otherwise are very similar in culture and general population behaviour. We don't have fewer crazy people, or fewer criminals than them The only difference is how we regulate gun ownership, and the huge difference in the gun violence rates between the two countries is due solely to that regulation. The US has a major problem, and they need to get their collective heads out their asses about regulation or they will continue to see these sorts of events at regular intervals.
Almost everything you have said is false.
https://www.investors.com/politics/...-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/
What you are suggesting would result in civil war in the U.S.
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Pickton was just a name, I deliberatrly used to call out your hypocricy. Hardly any of the mass shooters in America were criminals. Are we then now supposed to support them in order to support gun rights?
You say one can sympathize with victims of crime. How the fuck sympathizing and sending prayers after each mass shooting keep children safe at school, concert goers not having to worry about being massacred, movie goers mowed down by a gunman spraying bullets with an auomatic or semiautomatic guns?
You know the answer as well as I do. Showing sympathy and sending prayers will do nothing. People are being jaded.
What's needed is legislstive action, because the issue is easy availability of guns to everyone.
It is clear the data explained in the Youtube video in my original post means nothing to you.
God made man....Samuel Colt made man equal. .....and that's how the west was won. America was born out of revolution, Canada was born out of boredom.... Violence had a large role to play in the growth of America and that is something that is and will be a part of the American psychi..(Miss Erica ?? spelling ??)..for sometime to come. I hope that what we are seeing as a result of Parkland is the beginning of a generational change in "white America".....the immigrant community, I believe does not have that same 2nd amendment commitment to guns and will, if they see movement in "white America" support that movement with their votes and money to force change.
Approximately 65% of U.S. homicides are committed with guns; definitely a high number compared to other countries (some in South America are off the charts). However, on a global scale the U.S. homicide rate per capita is low compared to many other countries; in fact it barely breaks the top 100. That puts them squarely in the middle. What is of great concern for the U.S. is the age of the offenders and the crimes they commit. Trumps solution? He is now suggesting classroom teachers be armed!
I explained some of the bias in the video.
It's been previously mentioned ad nauseam that any legislative action drives gun sales. In case you missed it yet again, Obama was the greatest gun salesman in U.S. history. Plenty of data to back it up. You couldn't be bothered to look it up, so someone did it for you. Click his link or just do an internet search.
I've stated before that gun politics is a very complicated issue. Your simple suggestion has been proven many times over not to work, yet for some reason, you still push it. It's people like you who have no idea what they are talking about that actually drive gun sales by pushing a misguided agenda!
It may gall you, but the do nothing strategy has caused the greatest deflation in guns and ammunition sales in the past 20 years. I've stated before the number of companies that have made layoffs or are in bankruptcy under the Trump administration that had record sales under Obama. You should go back and take a look at what I wrote. Better yet, do some research and look at the data.
The history of the gun and the history of America have been intertwined since the colonies were established. It's the way Americans want to live. It's in their constitution.
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Ok man.....I happen to agree with some of what you've said....I'm a 12-6 card...I've a permit to carry in certain work situations, I've qualified for Sniper duty, but never was deployed, in my time in the military.....with all due respect for your extensive knowledge....you've clearly made your point.
Time to move on friend....
Nice, citing stats from a researcher who is a columnist for Fox News - maybe read the New York Times article which cites a study conducted over 46 years and not just six. Explain to me the massive discrepancy in data. The US has 4.4% of the population, 42% of the world's guns, 31% of the mass shootings. In the US the annual gun homicide rate is 33/million people, in Canada 5, Britain .07. London and New York share a similar rate of robbery, you are just 54 times more likely to be killed in the process in New York. Read the article and try and dismiss the data please, because their findings have been repeatedly confirmed.
You use selective data and information to push your pro-gun opinion. I bet you never cared to read my other posts with links to articles that show America has a lot of guns but most Americans do not have guns. Most guns in America are owned by a minority of population.
Gun politics is complicated because of the NRA propaganda and conservarive politics of brown-nosing NRA.
But legislative measures will be taken. Already, an important measure is being taken in Florida by a Republican governor in the wake of the most recent mass shooting.
