Even though I consider Churchill to be one of history's biggest twits who has a lot of long term damage to the world, I have always agreed with this quote. Democracy without an educated people is insane. Uninformed people making important decisions is ridiculous. Remind me of my workplace.
UK to leave the EU
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That does sound a bit elitist don't you think? Are you implying that rural Britons are uneducated yobs incapable of making their own decisions and people like you should make them for them? Have you been watching the disastrous decisions made by the "educated" EU bureaucrats especially over the last few years?
not really that knowledgeable on the topic,
but, my two cents, they want to be in control of their own destiny,
and well maybe abandon a sinking ship.
like some one said how many fucking times do you have to bail out Greece, and who is next.
but, my two cents, they want to be in control of their own destiny,
and well maybe abandon a sinking ship.
like some one said how many fucking times do you have to bail out Greece, and who is next.
There's the popular choice and the sensible choice.
Not necessarily the same. A popular choice (in this case, fed by LIES and hyperbole) doesn't make it sensible.
And now Britons realize what a mistake it was (2 million in less than 24 hours!):
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629324
Not necessarily the same. A popular choice (in this case, fed by LIES and hyperbole) doesn't make it sensible.
And now Britons realize what a mistake it was (2 million in less than 24 hours!):
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629324
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It basically coincides with what my friends in Exeter were saying on FB. They sounded like a protest vote but didn't think it would get the majority.
Anybody that voted to remain, will now sign a petition for a re-vote.
What does it prove, except that some people don't seem to like democracy when it doesn't go their way.
Germany fucked Greece in WWII and they have fucked them since they joins the EU.
They will make an example of the UK to deter other countries who might be thinking of doing similar, so expect hardball. There is zero incentive for the EU to play nice on this. The UK is not going to get any deals, and in particular they will not be getting many multinationals setting up shop there now, since most of those will be doing business mostly in the EU. I think a recession there is quite likely in the immediate future. It will certainly hurt them. Travel will become more difficult, goods will become more expensive and jobs will be lost. Access to the European market will be constrained.
One other problem is that Scotland is almost certain to leave the UK within the next two years, so they voted to kill the UK. Who knows, this could even lead to the re-unification of Ireland.
I think the British are not going to like the long term reality of the consequences of the vote.
5th biggest economy that is largely driven by access to the EU and the fact that it is an English speaking country. That is going to change now. Plus, their economy is going to shrink when Scotland leaves them in a year or two.
The average joe IS uninformed and generally ignorant however. That is why they can be swayed by demagogues like Trump and his ilk, who just make stuff up. Those guys know that if you say stuff often enough, not matter how untrue or ridiculous, the average joe will believe it because (A) the don't know anything themselves, and (B) they are just not smart enough to figure out anything themselves - they have to be told.
Exactly. Also some people are full of prunes when they insist that they only voted Leave as a protest vote and didn't think they would actually win. It was touted for months as being on the razors edge in polls and the Leave side was polled ahead 5 points before the Labour MP was murdered. To vote and think it wouldnt count is just plain ridiculous.
And Wetnose --no one side had a monopoly on LIES and hyperbole although any opportunity Nigel Farage thought he might ever have had to be PM looks like its gone right out the window.
The Remain side basically spent its last couple of weeks desperately scaremongering the BGP , sort of reminding me of a lesser referendum locally on Translink funding. It didn't work that time either.
Britain before the EU was an ass-pit, so hopefully they are not trying to revert to that, lol.
Scotland leaving is now a certainty. One of the main arguments for rejecting independence was the threat that an independent Scotland would be out of the EU. But since England has left itself, that argument will no longer hold, and a future referendum in the next two years will take Scotland out of the UK, effectively ending the UK. What argument could the No side offer to counter that? Not much, they have lost their leverage.
The British basically voted to break up their country.
It is not me who is telling them, it is opportunists like Trump who are. He is using them to get personal power. It is just like in any other walk of life. Take a business for example. Do you really think that a janitor or receptionist is going to be knowledgeable or thoughtful enough to make sound business decisions or direct the company? Hell no. Every company that has been turned over to Janitorial management has failed completely. The reason they cannot do that is those sorts of people simply do not know enough, or understand how things work to make reasoned informed decisions. Why do you think it will be any different in political management? People who cant manage their way out of a paper bag are not suddenly going to be come wise just because politics are involved.
There are usually very few people who can make sensible decisions. Unfortunately their voices are drowned out by all those janitors and others like them out there.
Let me ask you this question - what do you do for a living? Are you willing to tell me that other people, who know little or nothing about what you do should have an equal voice in deciding on how best you should do your job? Because that is basically what you are arguing for.
The harsh reality is the elites usually DO know better than the drones. After all, that is exactly why they are elite in the first place.
Are you saying that once your side wins, the people are not allowed to change their opinion?
Perhaps you advocate special camps for those who might want to.
Thats a ridiculous comparison. The "janitors" and "receptionists" are not running the country themselves. They are electing people with political experience that they believe might do a better job of it. Maybe you dont like it but its worked better than anything else up to this point in the western world.
I would also suggest you take a look around the world, see what a fucked up place it is and realize that yeah the elites have done a great job--for themselves. Not for anyone else.
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So whattaya think? Maybe change our system to a graduated vote based on perceived intelligence where a cab driver's vote counts for say only 40%, a MacDonalds manager say 60% and someone as insanely intelligent as yourself should get say 200% or two votes because you are just so much smarter and your opinion is more correct than anyone else?
Anyways at least we know where you stand on democracy as you peer down your nose at those in less fortunate circumstances than yourself. I should have remembered that you were the guy who celebrated the crushing of the democratically elected Shiniwatras Red Shirts rural revolution in Thailand by the Yellow Shirted privileged Thai upper class a couple of years back so that on your visits there the gogo bars of Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket would remain full of impoverished young Thai women flooding in from the rural North at cheap rates.
Insufferable, pretentious pseudo intellectual elitist snob.
Did I say anything about rural Brits? The bureaucrats aren't making the decisions for the most part. The politicians and their corporate owners are. Please do not mistake the educated, ones that pay attention and give as crap about average folk, with the university indoctrinated.
Personally, I think are many good and bad points to the UK vote.
Personally, I think are many good and bad points to the UK vote.
Generally, the elites may be better informed but the question is more about their actions, which usually leads to lining their own pockets than doing for the greater good for all.
Yes there are but I believe the rewards longterm outnumber the risks but time will tell the tale. Re the rural Brits--others on here are denigrating their intelligence as they were the ones who carried the Leave vote over the finish line. I thought you were doing so indirectly as well but I may have misinterpreted your point and if so I apologize.
This is an excellent political thread. As it speaks to the tribalization of politics in the modern world. The sky is not falling chicken little, if the Scots want to be like Quebec separatists.... go for it. A very minor country will get pushed around big time. Taxes will not go down for the Scots, I
will bet my life savings on that puppy.
will bet my life savings on that puppy.
