What Is Your Opinion On Members That Never Give Back

[summerbreeze]

no reviews is a bit shortsighted by those sp who think this way

no reviews, no valuable content, no valuable content, no readers, no readers, no board, no board, no advertising venue

 

[billiards11]

You know, you are 100% correct.

It is something I think we all can change and encourage reviewers to review.

Sure if its an obvious self review or a shill review or whatever; the mods will deal with it.

Personally, I am trying to be positive and encourage new reviewers to say how their time was with an SP. Some people are too quick to play the "S" card IMHO.

Yeah I think its something we can change for sure. One person on here was criticized for only writing one review. Well, that person revealed that they stopped writing reviews because they got put down by someone, and instead just kept private journals for themselves.

 

[BS Detector]

Sure if its an obvious self review or a shill review or whatever; the mods will deal with it.

Personally, I am trying to be positive and encourage new reviewers to say how their time was with an SP. Some people are too quick to play the "S" card IMHO.

Agreed. Would be nice to see people post their experience. No need to write lengthy. colourful. blow-by-blow novels (I come here to be informed, not entertained). Just write about whether it was worth the time and effort (even THAT varies by person anyway), restrictions, would you repeat (that in itself speaks volumes if you would) and if not, why not. Sometimes one would not repeat just because the lady was not his type but yet service was great and another would definitely enjoy, so the why not is important.

As you said, some guys get ridiculed for their efforts so don't bother posting at all. They should get encouraged instead. Brief is better. I doubt any guy on here wants to hear about my conquests, my orgasms etc. They wanna know if they go see any given lady on BP (etc) ARE THEY GONNA GET RIPPED OFF.

 

[ddcanz]

not that I profess to know anything but something to think about

this is a community, communities come together for mutual benefit

some contribute more, some less, some not at all...... that is the nature of a community

its the ones who proactively ask for more and don't give that are the abusers

if you don't contribute fine, by all means use the search engine, read, search, find what interests you.... no problem

but don't ask people to do your homework for you by asking for insight on a sp and don't contribute

many of the contributors do their own searching and reviewing, they don't inquire if anyone has input on a sp, and these are the main contributors

just like welfare or UI (unemployment insurance) there are those who contribute and never receive, those who contribute and have had the misfortune to have to use social assistance, and those who live off the system and have never contributed

not quite what the system was intended for but by and large it is a community based system and self policed

suggest we don't encourage the misuse, and in an non-provocative way encourage the non-contributors to make some effort to contribute

After reading through the entire thread I've seen a lot of very insightful contributions from a wide cross section of veterans and noobs, but this one resonates the most with me.
I couldn't agree more with summerbreeze.
If you choose to lurk and merely glean info to further your own gains- then so be it. Is it really so different than sifting through Trip Advisor reviews for a decent hotel? Would be nice if you gave back, but whatevs- everyone has their own reason's. But I do lean towards the rationale that if you have that much time to read then a few minutes to put something back on the table for the boys shouldn't be that big a deal. I believe whole-heartedly in give and take, and helping those that attempt to first help themselves.
However, those that consistently beg to be spoon fed in the 411 while giving little to nothing back can F-off as far as I'm concerned. Just TOFTT FFS and be done with it.
Not exactly non-provocative as summer suggests- to perhaps entice the less verbose to step out of the shadows- but succinct and to the point.

 

[sevenofnine]

funny but maybe there scared,

lets see, I have been told I need help many times, canèt spell can't write.
made a fool of because I book supper dates with sp;s and actually eat supper with them..

just for a start,
or perhaps there shy,


to be perfectly honest the best way to learn is to jump in,

 

[summerbreeze]

funny but maybe there scared,

lets see, I have been told I need help many times, canèt spell can't write.
made a fool of because I book supper dates with sp;s and actually eat supper with them..

just for a start,


or perhaps there shy,


to be perfectly honest the best way to learn is to jump in,

in most cases an honest effort to contribute will receive good response from the majority

especially if your information is informative and useful, no beauty contests for literary skills here, just user feedback

of course the extra effort the good writers produce here are enjoyed and appreciated, but don't worry about the petty critics of your spelling

 

[poonmiester]

in most cases an honest effort to contribute will receive good response from the majority

especially if your information is informative and useful, no beauty contests for literary skills here, just user feedback

of course the extra effort the good writers produce here are enjoyed and appreciated, but don't worry about the petty critics of your spelling

Exactly...... no one here is rated on their spelling abilities ...... and for those that act as spelling or grammar police.... well I guess don't get to poon very much ... and therefore if they are unable to criticize your review.... well grammar and spelling checking keeps them busy....
Don't take much time to write something. ....
Maybe we need to make a copy and paste form ...so all one needs to do is fill in the blanks.... and put check marks where it applies....

 

[sdw]

Exactly...... no one here is rated on their spelling abilities ...... and for those that act as spelling or grammar police.... well I guess don't get to poon very much ... and therefore if they are unable to criticize your review.... well grammar and spelling checking keeps them busy....
Don't take much time to write something. ....
Maybe we need to make a copy and paste form ...so all one needs to do is fill in the blanks.... and put check marks where it applies....

At least one place still has a form for SP reviews, another defunct vancouver review board had a form - that encouraged the phony reviews so that the multi-faceted could have their 5 reviews for each of their many identities in the reviewer's lounge. lol, they had a woman's lounge also, run by the one of the female identities of one of the more active men.

 

[frisky business]

Well, unless you spend a lot of time on the board, and I don't, how would you even know who contributes and who doesn't? I guess you can use post count and join date, but that doesn't really tell you much. If you research everyone's profile/history, that would take ages.

It's worth noting that there are plenty of people here who contribute other than through TOFTT reviews. For example some of the senior ladies are very kind with advice and other help to newer girls who get in trouble.

Also, some guys contribute in The Lounge with insightful comments (not inciteful LOL) in some of the more serious threads.

 

[badbadboy]

Well, unless you spend a lot of time on the board, and I don't, how would you even know who contributes and who doesn't? I guess you can use post count and join date, but that doesn't really tell you much. If you research everyone's profile/history, that would take ages.

It's worth noting that there are plenty of people here who contribute other than through TOFTT reviews. For example some of the senior ladies are very kind with advice and other help to newer girls who get in trouble.

Also, some guys contribute in The Lounge with insightful comments (not inciteful LOL) in some of the more serious threads.

I look at Started Threads in their profiles.

If they have 20 threads in the 411 and no reviews, it means they are not giving back at all.

I saw one profile last summer where the guy did like 17 reviews and had 25 posts. That's the pooner I will help if they ask me.

Sure I have a lot of posts but that doesn't equate to being a pooner keeping score

I like to suggest to some pooners the ladies I have enjoyed and most times they also come back and say thanks. Sometimes it's a YMMV and they don't have the same experience I had.

 

[MissingOne]

I look at Started Threads in their profiles.

Some people contribute good information to existing threads. "Started Threads" wouldn't account for those contributions.

With the exception of the occasional SP I might be interested in, I don't think I've ever looked at another member's profile.

 

[badbadboy]

Some people contribute good information to existing threads. "Started Threads" wouldn't account for those contributions.

With the exception of the occasional SP I might be interested in, I don't think I've ever looked at another member's profile.

True and it emphasizes the importance of starting your own threads to contribute in some way.

I for one would never drill down that deeply to see if a person posted in someone else's review or 411 thread.

 

[frisky business]

I look at Started Threads in their profiles.

Some people contribute good information to existing threads. "Started Threads" wouldn't account for those contributions.

PERB is evolving and so is vBulletin that powers it. At some point in the not too distant future I hope we will be able to upvote and downvote posts (reviews).

Then, contributors and noncontributors will stick out like big boobs at the beach. In the meantime there are a few guys on here whose reviews and Lounge postings I look for when I sign in.

 

[badbadboy]

PERB is evolving and so is vBulletin that powers it. At some point in the not too distant future I hope we will be able to upvote and downvote posts (reviews).

Then, contributors and noncontributors will stick out like big boobs at the beach. In the meantime there are a few guys on here whose reviews and Lounge postings I look for when I sign in.

There used to be the Rep System here but it was used inappropriately to Red Bomb people into the stone age. It was disabled long ago.

The other forums I am on with VBulletin SW have issues of a similar nature. People giving unsigned Red Rep being one of the biggest Troll issues IMHO

 

[dasvan]

I'm the exact user that the OP is bringing up. I rarely post, but on the other side of the coin, I also never PM. When contacting a woman on site, I still utilize email.

I've been here forever. Girls I've visited in the past are already established, very little point in reviewing in a 'what he said' kind of fashion. I don't involve myself in the drama posts because ... well, it's drama, I have enough to deal with outside of forums to allow the distractions of online drama. There was a lot of drama around how a woman posted here in the past in her adverts and was eventually driven from the board. Yet I saw her a good number of times and nothing but good times with her. I'm too old to bandwagon, I don't want to say 'mature' because maturity often has little to do with age.

I also only partake in the hobby maybe 4 - 6 times a year. More than anything I'm here for the advertising section, to keep current with who is still active, who has left or who has changed directions in service and since I'm not here daily, more like quarterly, I rarely stop by the lounge. When I am active I do stop in to see what's happening in the lounge but rarely see anything to chime in on. The women I've seen here have all been fantastic, none have even asked me about my participation in the board other than they knew I found their info here. I rarely see a women more than once unless the chemistry is bang on. Once every few years or so though I find one that just clicks, so when repeating I could be away for as much as a year or so.

Do I give back to the male portion of the community? I would have to say no, but what little I'd have to give back would be as I mentioned before, simple pointless 'what he said' types of posts, redundant and unnecessary. On the other hand just the fact that I'm engaging time with the ladies here that advertise, I would think I'm giving back to at least some of the community - advertising paid off if you want to water it down the the most basic of terms not that I would ever consider it in those terms. I prefer to think of it as connections made and in a few cases meaningful long lasting connections of which may be happening again for the 1st time in a long time. Should I end up being right it could be a while again before I'm here surfing away but one can never say never can they?

For the ladies I've seen so you can connect who I am, you would know me as the guy with forearm crutches or even a walker earlier on. For some of the guys, I guess I'm the uninvolved user.

Take from this what you may.

 

[badbadboy]

I'm the exact user that the OP is bringing up. I rarely post, but on the other side of the coin, I also never PM. When contacting a woman on site, I still utilize email.

I've been here forever. Girls I've visited in the past are already established, very little point in reviewing in a 'what he said' kind of fashion. I don't involve myself in the drama posts because ... well, it's drama, I have enough to deal with outside of forums to allow the distractions of online drama. There was a lot of drama around how a woman posted here in the past in her adverts and was eventually driven from the board. Yet I saw her a good number of times and nothing but good times with her. I'm too old to bandwagon, I don't want to say 'mature' because maturity often has little to do with age.

I also only partake in the hobby maybe 4 - 6 times a year. More than anything I'm here for the advertising section, to keep current with who is still active, who has left or who has changed directions in service and since I'm not here daily, more like quarterly, I rarely stop by the lounge. When I am active I do stop in to see what's happening in the lounge but rarely see anything to chime in on. The women I've seen here have all been fantastic, none have even asked me about my participation in the board other than they knew I found their info here. I rarely see a women more than once unless the chemistry is bang on. Once every few years or so though I find one that just clicks, so when repeating I could be away for as much as a year or so.

Do I give back to the male portion of the community? I would have to say no, but what little I'd have to give back would be as I mentioned before, simple pointless 'what he said' types of posts, redundant and unnecessary. On the other hand just the fact that I'm engaging time with the ladies here that advertise, I would think I'm giving back to at least some of the community - advertising paid off if you want to water it down the the most basic of terms not that I would ever consider it in those terms. I prefer to think of it as connections made and in a few cases meaningful long lasting connections of which may be happening again for the 1st time in a long time. Should I end up being right it could be a while again before I'm here surfing away but one can never say never can they?

For the ladies I've seen so you can connect who I am, you would know me as the guy with forearm crutches or even a walker earlier on. For some of the guys, I guess I'm the uninvolved user.

Take from this what you may.

I have no problem with this at all and appreciate your honesty.

You don't fit the typical user who doesn't contribute that many describe in this thread.

Good luck in this hobby :nod:

 

[tiger69]

I generally do not even look at the lounge area. I'm not very good with forums, and find reading/commenting on posts take a massive amount of time- it's why I'm so behind on my review reading I'm still reading review from Dec. 2015 lol. But I feel I should chime in here since, being someone relatively new at this, I am probably counting towards the "very few post" population.
First of all, this debate is very old, not always in the same context, it could be downloads, charity, volunteerism...it could be anything. There's always going to be takers, givers, and for the most part, those who are somewhere in between.
I use Wikipedia every day for research, but do I ever give anything back? No, cause I don't even know how to, nor do I have the tech-skill or time to mess with it.
Maybe those who post very little, some any way, are like me, who can only afford to venture out once every 2, 3? month. What that may translate into is, for the times we can afford to venture out, we are very very scared. Scared of wasting our hard earned, hard squirreled away fund, and scared of trying new things. So for those who blame us who do not TOFTT, sorry, a lot of us don't have the ability to gamble away $200+ just on the off chance that it'd make you feel better about us.
As you can tell by my reviews, they're all women whom have had good reviews already here. Does that make my experiences invalid? unnecessary? well you be the judge- I'm not writing them for someone to give me a pat on the back, or for any gain- I simply write them in hope that one more review will help out the wonderful woman whom shared my bed for two hours, or direct some poor sod of a newbie like myself to a good SP.
Lastly, one of my first reviews, the one for Monica Massage, someone came out and out accused me of shilling- even claiming that I'm a woman in disguise. That pissed me off so much I almost said 'f this sh*t, not going to post again.'
In every society there are takers, givers, and those in between. Everyone of us is a living, unique person with a set of reasons why we do or don't. If you enjoy giving, then give, if you don't, then don't, but very little can be achieved by getting annoyed at those who do not contribute in the same way, same quantity, or in the manners you think they should contribute.

Rant over, back to drooling over reviews.

 

[summerbreeze]

in a community model, those more able to give, give

those less able can't always but this is normal

nothing wrong with benefiting from community efforts, just that everyone should be given the chance to embrace the spirit of the system

some will game it to their selfish benefit but really, they are missing out on being part of a collective which benefits from its numbers and collective support

hopefully they gain an understanding and begin to contribute themselves but it seems to be a learning process for some

 

[nigelplays]

I thought you had to be a member to write reviews? oh no I could have contributed so much.

 

[jamasianman]

I agree with Tiger69. I decided to do a riskier thing and do a sort of TOFTT, and it turned out awful. Now granted I could have walked, but I was too polite and I ended up getting one of the shittiest 42 minutes of my life. I honestly looked out the window and contemplated my life while she was distracted on her phone or whatever the hell she was doing at that time. I ended up leaving and smelling like dirty motel, so from then on I vowed to only see very nice reputable providers of a high end nature.

My reviews from now on may not give any new insight or anything, but I also cannot afford to take chances with providers. I don't make a lot and I only started doing this because of winnings with sports bets, so I can only see 1 or 2 a month. And I can tell you right now, I want those 1 to 2 providers to be a guaranteed good time. (I also had the luck to not see Selena Starr, who is very mixed in terms of reviews as it seems)

Now I did save a couple of people money, and maybe future clients money by TOFTT, but I can't do it all the time. But I think what the OP is talking about is the lurkers who have signed up for perb, posted nothing, and just post something in the 411 area 4 years later. Those people do peeve me off a bit, because they are like the ones who won't take the plunge, even though they are on a forum for all about providers.