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I have a few freinds in EU that want me to join them in Sochi , both they and myself are amazed at the accomadations that are available.
They are reasonable and central , but WTF is with these russians for not posting advertising in any kind of english?
Most are all in Russian which is really hard to understand and translate.........:doh:
Other freinds , say dont go.... its a major target for wako islamics..... hmmmm
but our good freind Putin has a large sweep happening and locking up thousands of them in makeshift concentration camps until after the games.
I would not wanna be a islamic in Russia if they were foolish enough to do a terrorist act , Putin would annilliate them.
 
I was talking to someone about that yesterday.

Do you have a death wish?

No. I would never go to any part of Russia including Sochi or be in any stadium that is a direct target for extremists.

But if you choose to go then have fun! :)
 

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I was talking to someone about that yesterday.

Do you have a death wish?

No. I would never go to any part of Russia including Sochi or be in any stadium that is a direct target for extremists.

But if you choose to go then have fun! :)
I think that everybody knows which teams to avoid being near. Putin can't stop everything, but you can be sure that a successful attack won't be at an Olympic site or the Athlete's Village.
 

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Its getting bad, very bad
http://news.yahoo.com/three-russian-forces-two-militants-killed-shootout-interfax-065326637.html

I guess if you have the cash and time it might be worth your time but having been to Russia once its hell of expensive, I'm talking 10 bucks for a 6 inch Subway sandwich and a soda. If you need to see the former USSR I highly suggest skipping the cities and seeing the small towns where its far less Westernized. When I was in St. Petersburg It felt way too modern for my taste. Only good time I had was seeing the suburbs and those hugh Soviet style apartments.
 
Alleged Heroin Kingpin Helped Russia Win Olympics for Sochi

Alleged Heroin Kingpin Helped Russia Win Olympics for Sochi
Jan. 30, 2014
By CINDY GALLI, PATRICK REEVELL and BRIAN ROSS
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Russia won the right to host the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi, beating out Austria and South Korea, with the help of a mysterious Russian businessman, Gafur Rakhimov, who U.S. authorities describe as a top organized crime boss and heroin kingpin currently under criminal indictment in Uzbekistan.

"He is one of the four or five most important people in the heroin trade in the world," Craig Murray, a former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, told ABC News for a report to be broadcast tonight on "World News With Diane Sawyer".

"He's absolutely a very major and dangerous gangster," Murray said.

Yet, after the International Olympic Committee voted in 2007 to award the games to Sochi, the head of the Russian Olympic Committee publicly thanked Rakhimov for his "singled minded work" in getting the votes of some Asian countries, "without which… it would have been hard for Sochi to count on the victory."

Rakhimov confirmed to ABC News, through a translator, that he played a role in helping Russia win votes through his contacts in Central Asian Olympic circles.

"He convinced them because of his good relations with these people. He has great influence," the translator, who was also a spokesman for Rakhimov, said during a phone interview from Dubai where Rakhimov moved after being indicted in Uzbekistan.


Rakhimov has long been connected by law enforcement authorities to heroin trafficking.

He was banned from attending the Olympic games in Australia in 2000 because of his alleged criminal ties.

In 2012, U.S. Treasury officials sought to freeze Rakhimov's bank accounts around the world, describing him in public documents as a "key member" of a huge Russian-Asian criminal syndicate called the Brothers' Circle.

"He has operated major international drug syndicates involving the trafficking of heroin," the Treasury statement said.

Former ambassador Murray said the heroin from Rakhimov's network moves through Central Asia to St. Petersburg, Russia and then on to Europe and the United Kingdom.

Despite the criminal allegations and indictment, Rakhimov continues to serve as a vice president of the Olympic Council of Asia, a group of nations that are members of the International Olympic Committee.

Repeated requests for comment to the council were not answered.

Russian investigative journalist Sergei Kanev said Rakhimov has close ties with the mafia family in Sochi and with top officials in the Kremlin.

"There was obviously some sort of agreement between the Kremlin and the 'thieves-in-law," referring the common name use to describe Russian mobsters.

Kanev said members of Rakhimov's inner circle have boasted that "bags of cash" were used to secure the Olympic votes.

Rakhimov, through his translator, denied paying bribes. "It was not necessary," said the translator.

A spokesperson for Russian President Vladimir Putin wouldn't comment on Rakhimov, instead referring to Putin's comments in a recent interview with George Stephanopoulos of ABC News.

"If anyone has concrete data on instances of corruption in implementing the Sochi Olympics Project, we ask to furnish us with objective data," he said.
SOURCE: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/alleg...d-russia-win-olympics-sochi/story?id=22295531
 

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Personally, whether it's in Russia, Singapore, Iceland or Somalia, I couldn't care less about the Olympics. I really don't understand why it's such a big deal or why people even care. Ugh.

But anyway, as far as Sochi specifically, pretty interesting stuff but really, is anyone actually surprised? Lol




The Waste and Corruption of Vladimir Putin's 2014 Winter Olympics


The new road and railway to Krasnaya Polyana, the mountain resort that will host the ski and snowboard events of the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics, start in Adler, a beachfront town that has become a boisterous tangle of highway interchanges and construction sites. A newly opened, glass-fronted train station—the largest in Russia—sits like a sparkling prism between the green and brown peaks of the Caucasus Mountains and the lapping waves of the Black Sea.

The state agency that oversaw the infrastructure project is Russian Railways, or RZhD. The agency’s head is Vladimir Yakunin, a close associate of Vladimir Putin. It oversees 52,000 miles of rail track, the third-largest network in the world, and employs nearly a million people. The 31-mile Adler-to-Krasnaya Polyana project is among its most ambitious, reminiscent in its man-against-nature quality of the Baikal-Amur Mainline railway built by the Soviet Union in the 1970s and ’80s across the remote taiga forests of the Russian Far East. Now, as then, grandeur and showmanship are as important as the finished project. Putin sees the Sochi Games as a capstone to the economic and geopolitical revival of Russia, which he has effectively ruled for 14 years. The route connects the arenas and Olympic Village along the Black Sea with the mountains above. Andrey Dudnik, the deputy head of Sochi construction for RZhD, is proud of his company’s accomplishment, given the region’s difficult terrain and the rushed time frame for finishing construction. “Few people believed,” he says. “But we did it.”

On a cloudless, 70-degree day this fall, I boarded a train—newly built by Siemens and smelling of fresh upholstery—in Adler. The train dashed along the riverbank on a curving track supported by cement columns dotting the shore. We passed into a long tunnel, lit with soft yellow light. The engineering work was so challenging, Dudnik boasts, that in 2011 RZhD was named Major Tunnelling Project of the Year at an international awards ceremony in Hong Kong.

Among Russians, the project is famous for a different reason: its price tag. At $8.7 billion, it eclipses the total cost for preparations for the last Winter Olympics in Vancouver in 2010. A report by opposition politicians Boris Nemtsov and Leonid Martynyuk calculated that the Russian state spent three times more on the road than NASA did for the delivery and operation of a new generation of Mars rovers. An article in Russian Esquire estimated that for the sum the government spent on the road, it could have been paved entirely with a centimeter-thick coating of beluga caviar.

The train glided to a stop at the Krasnaya Polyana station. The floors were buffed to the shimmery gloss of a desert mirage. The air up here was cooler; snow mottled the mountaintops ahead. Down the hillside stood a giant banner: “Sochi is preparing for Olympic records!”

At $51 billion, the Sochi Games are the costliest ever, surpassing the $40 billion spent by China on the 2008 Summer Olympics. The suicide bombings in the Russian city of Volgograd on Dec. 29 and 30 have heightened fears of terrorism and given a renewed focus to security concerns as well as questions of cost. How the Sochi Games grew so expensive is a tale of Putin-era Russia in microcosm: a story of ambition, hubris, and greed leading to fabulous extravagance on the shores of the Black Sea. And extravagances, in Russia especially, come at a price.

Back in 2007, when Russia was bidding to host the 2014 Winter Olympics, the huge amounts it was willing to spend were a point of pride, an enticement meant to win over officials at the International Olympic Committee. Putin traveled to Guatemala City to give a rare speech in English, with even a touch of French, to the assembled IOC delegates, promising to turn Sochi into “a world-class resort” for a “new Russia” and the rest of the world. His pledge to spend $12 billion in Sochi dwarfed the bids of the other finalists from South Korea and Austria.

But since then, as costs have increased, Russian officials have grown less eager to boast about the size of the final bill. “In the beginning, money was a reason and argument for Russia to win the right to host the Olympics,” says Igor Nikolaev, director of strategic analysis at FBK, an audit and consulting firm in Moscow. “But it turned out we spent so much that everybody is trying not to talk about it anymore.” Dmitry Kozak, deputy prime minister in charge of Olympic preparations, has argued that the $51 billion number is misleading. Only $6 billion of that is directly Olympics-related, he says; the rest has gone to infrastructure and regional development the state would have carried out anyway. That may be true, though it’s hard to imagine the Russian government building an $8.7 billion road and railway up to the mountains without the Games.

Bent Flyvbjerg, an expert on what are called “megaprojects” at the Saïd Business School at Oxford University, says the costs for Olympic host nations have on average tripled from the initial bid to the opening ceremonies. In Sochi, costs rose nearly five times. That these Olympics should be the most expensive in history is all the more improbable, says Allison Stewart, a colleague of Flyvbjerg’s at Oxford, because compared with Summer Games, Winter Olympiads involve fewer athletes (2,500 vs. 11,000), fewer events (86 vs. 300), and fewer venues (15 vs. 40).

Putin never saw the Sochi Olympics as a mere sporting event, or even a one-of-a-kind public-relations opportunity. Rather, he viewed the Games as a way to rejuvenate the entire Caucasus region. Once Russian officials settled on Sochi as a host city, however, they guaranteed themselves a costly engineering challenge, since organizers didn’t have much choice as to where to put Olympic venues. Sochi, once a place of recuperation for Soviet workers under Stalin, sits on a narrow slope of land between the mountains and the sea, with no wide, flat space for large stadiums and arenas. The only feasible site was the Imereti Valley, a patch of flood-prone lowlands 20 miles from the center of Sochi. Jane Buchanan, a researcher for Human Rights Watch who has authored several reports on Sochi in recent years, says, “At the beginning there was very little infrastructure there, certainly nothing close to the scale needed to host a Winter Olympics. Just a little mountain road that dead-ended in a national park.” Russia would have to build everything from scratch.

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Full article:

http://businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-02/the-2014-winter-olympics-in-sochi-cost-51-billion
 

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I have a few freinds in EU that want me to join them in Sochi , both they and myself are amazed at the accomadations that are available.
They are reasonable and central , but WTF is with these russians for not posting advertising in any kind of english?
Most are all in Russian which is really hard to understand and translate.........:doh:
Other freinds , say dont go.... its a major target for wako islamics..... hmmmm
but our good freind Putin has a large sweep happening and locking up thousands of them in makeshift concentration camps until after the games.
I would not wanna be a islamic in Russia if they were foolish enough to do a terrorist act , Putin would annilliate them.
This is what some of the cool local fashions over there look like:

 

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Personally, whether it's in Russia, Singapore, Iceland or Somalia, I couldn't care less about the Olympics. I really don't understand why it's such a big deal or why people even care. Ugh.

But anyway, as far as Sochi specifically, pretty interesting stuff but really, is anyone actually surprised? Lol
I am thinking that Somalia won't be hosting the winter Olympics any time soon. Just a hunch. ;)
 

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I am thinking that Somalia won't be hosting the winter Olympics any time soon. Just a hunch. ;)
LOL I didn't say anything specific about winter olympics..

But they probably won't be hosting the summer olympics any time soon either. haha

(I don't care for the summer olympics either...)
 
LOL I didn't say anything specific about winter olympics..

But they probably won't be hosting the summer olympics any time soon either. haha

(I don't care for the summer olympics either...)
I am thinking that Somalia won't be hosting the winter Olympics any time soon. Just a hunch. ;)

I was looking forward to the Olympics in Sudan! Do you think they will choose Sudan or South Sudan? :nod:

edit: And does this come in pink?!?!?!?


 

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Well, now it's official. Terrorists took a look at what most certainly happen to their selves and families and decided that Putin is too dangerous to mess with.

Sochi, the athletes village, the tourists accommodations and the Olympic venues were all completely safe.
 
Well, now it's official. Terrorists took a look at what most certainly happen to their selves and families and decided that Putin is too dangerous to mess with.

Sochi, the athletes village, the tourists accommodations and the Olympic venues were all completely safe.
We are thinking alike today. Yes, I was gonna say well done Russia.
 

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Controversy as Russian Adelina Sotnikova upsets Korean favourite Kim Yu-Na to snatch figure skating gold medal
i've said it before... if it can't be measured, counted or timed it shouldn't be in the olympics

peter forsberg, one of sweden's greatest ever hockey players, tried to create a controversy over the fact that all four of the officials in this morning's gold medal hockey game were canadians

all that tells me is what goes on inside forsberg's mind; that is, if HE was given the job of refereeing a game in which sweden was playing, he would undoubtedly cheat!

outside a very few countries in the world, umpires, judges and referees cheat. in those few countries where they don't cheat, game officials take it as their sacred responsibility to call the fairest game they can

russia (and peter forsberg) fall in the former category, not the latter
 

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i've said it before... if it can't be measured, counted or timed it shouldn't be in the olympics

peter forsberg, one of sweden's greatest ever hockey players, tried to create a controversy over the fact that all four of the officials in this morning's gold medal hockey game were canadians

all that tells me is what goes on inside forsberg's mind; that is, if HE was given the job of refereeing a game in which sweden was playing, he would undoubtedly cheat!

outside a very few countries in the world, umpires, judges and referees cheat. in those few countries where they don't cheat, game officials take it as their sacred responsibility to call the fairest game they can

russia (and peter forsberg) fall in the former category, not the latter
It's completely baffling how a few (typically American) writers are trying to validate the judge's scoring. Fortunately, that's not that common. What is troubling is how a lot people are simply out of touch with the sport and the Olympics in general. They think everything is on the up and up.

Since the Olympics are so screwed up now. I no longer watch. I haven't for the last 16 + years. Professional athletes have no business being in the Olympics either. Only amateurs should be participating. The Olympics has become way to political. It's a real shame and it no longer has it's appeal. Not even Hockey for me.
 

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Well, now it's official. Terrorists took a look at what most certainly happen to their selves and families and decided that Putin is too dangerous to mess with.

Sochi, the athletes village, the tourists accommodations and the Olympic venues were all completely safe.
Come on, it's not Putin...it's all those stray dogs. Besides, people can't tell the difference between a wolf and a husky. lol
 
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