Surrey Hockey Mom murder.
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Playful, I am with you....I played hockey, I watch hockey, I listen about hockey....it is encouraged!!! In 98% of cases its not directly encouraged....but implied...strongly implied.
Its always been part of the sport, but as the salaries increased, and as the players bigger and stronger, its become a extremely aggressive sport. The big question is why? The clearest answer that many give, is the fans, they want it, like it, and ask for it.
I can see how much the level of aggression has increased in our society in general, so its not a stretch to see how society seeks to have a 'release'...how do the fans feel about having their favourite team, punch out the opponent?
Like it or not violence sells.....like sex, no one will admit to being motivated by it, most think its wrong....but...
Its always been part of the sport, but as the salaries increased, and as the players bigger and stronger, its become a extremely aggressive sport. The big question is why? The clearest answer that many give, is the fans, they want it, like it, and ask for it.
I can see how much the level of aggression has increased in our society in general, so its not a stretch to see how society seeks to have a 'release'...how do the fans feel about having their favourite team, punch out the opponent?
Like it or not violence sells.....like sex, no one will admit to being motivated by it, most think its wrong....but...
I do feel for the family and friends of this woman. The circumstances in this case is very different then the Jan 1 case, and the two do not compare in any way.
The Jan 1 case is tragic on more levels from what we know of the lady's background...how and why she got to where she was is part of the story.
In the Surrey woman's case, when we find out about the killer, it will perhaps change the circumstances from which we view this killing. In many of these cases the killer is a victim as well, and there is a sad story behind his nor her life.
What amazes me the most, is how lights weren't maintained, how the facility wasn't properly managed considering it was a 'known' area...it seems to me there are a lot of other folks with some blood on their hands for recognizing the potential of danger, but not doing anything.
Not to mention a police station that has bankers hours....
The Jan 1 case is tragic on more levels from what we know of the lady's background...how and why she got to where she was is part of the story.
In the Surrey woman's case, when we find out about the killer, it will perhaps change the circumstances from which we view this killing. In many of these cases the killer is a victim as well, and there is a sad story behind his nor her life.
What amazes me the most, is how lights weren't maintained, how the facility wasn't properly managed considering it was a 'known' area...it seems to me there are a lot of other folks with some blood on their hands for recognizing the potential of danger, but not doing anything.
Not to mention a police station that has bankers hours....
What is sad is that a mistake can sometimes have tragic consequenses. We all make mistakes. When they end in death that is always sad. Nobody is asking you to feel sorry for anybody but it is definetely sad that there sees to be an absense of empathy on your part for people that make mistakes. Or at least that is how your words came accross. Is that really what you meant? There are all sorts of circumstances that lead people to make choices that to those that do not know them well may seem stupid and risky. It is easy to judge those that we dont know. You think no one would care what happens to you? I doubt that very much. Perhaps that person jaywalking was in a hurry to pick up his/her child from school because a doctor's appointment ran late.... Maybe they just received a phone call that their brother was in an accident and the hospital was right accross the road.... "deserving" to die for breaking a rule seems harsh. THe passenger of a drunk driver may not have known the driver was drunk....
Try to consider the circumstances surrounding situations that you feel so quick to judge. When I do this I often find that there is something about me that triggers such a strong response. It's easier to judge others than to look at ourselves.
IMHO the bolded sentence above typifies an attitude that is part of the reason for much of the violence we still see in Western societies. Personally, I don't give a rat's ass what kind of sob stories about their sad lives the violent criminals spin once they've been caught. The cold hard truth is that every single one of them made a deliberate choice to use criminal violence as a tool to attain their personal goals. And at that point, no sir, they absolutely and positively are not "victims as well"...
Ignorant people love to blame the victim because where a crime makes little to no sense and is too painful to believe we blame the victim . We know who it is and wether they live or die somehow they are the ones that get a repeat performance by invisible blaming ignorant people who post on the Internet . Hah ha
Surrey also doesn't have enough officers to police the city. Vancouver and Surrey are almost the same size. Vancouver has 1,400 officers. Surrey has 650 officers.It's a tragic loss of life. The sad thing is, not a damn thing will be done to make that area safe. That arena has always been dark and contains some seriously shady people who are hanging out and doing drug transactions near the entrance of the arena. Then they either head towards the back of the arena towards the library or they hop on the bus at the depot across the street. It's been this way for at least 25 years.
He must as he probably just got blacklisted from all the SP's.ound:
I think you forgot to bold the sentence you were referring too. Nonetheless, I do think I wasn't clear in my comments. First, I am as red neck as they come, not some lefty with a "oh it was his upbringing, that's why he did this.."...but at the same time there is always another story behind the story, that changes how we view the situation. In other words the problem is much larger then we care to admit.
You are right, no matter what your background, circumstances etc. you MADE the choice to commit crime..and in my book capital punishment is in order for the likes of Pickton, Williams, but only AFTER castration without sedatives. Ok, that's a bit extreme, but is indicative of how I feel about these people.
But at the same time, they may be victims. The kid learns to beat because he's been beaten, he learns to hate because he isn't loved, and he learns to steal because he's never been taught to work...those things don't provide a great starting point for a young person. And society chooses to ignore them, hoping they will just go away. Our education system fails them, our employment system fails them, Unions who should be fighting for them, fail them. Nobody is there for them......well, except for maybe the gangs, who befriend and teach them a way of life...that...
Or maybe he's an immigrant..who faces a life in a country that really doesn't accept him..and he does what he learned before he came here....
So the question is.......what can we,... or what are we willing.. to do about it?
i'm just being curious here - but has anybody said what she was doing waiting OUTSIDE the arena for the game to end?
thats what i wanted to know ...seems to me she should have been inside watching her kid! makes me think there might be a little more to the story
could have been walking to the arena...could have been looking at the stars having a quiet moment...so many reasons to be outside.
None of which should be considered unusual in a country like Canada...
None of which should be considered unusual in a country like Canada...
If you dont like hockey then dont watch it ,
watch ping pong or curling or as u say rugby ,
but if you dont like violence as u call it , then dont watch football , hockey , baseball , basketball , ufc.
ufc is the fastest growing sport in the world , if u dont like it , dont watch it , but dont try to change it.
the players know exactly what they are getting into when they play and know the risks.
aggressive physical sports get tempers happening and sometimes shit happens....
so again i suggest u take up ping pong as a fan !
would be interesting to see what the budgets are for the two cities?
i,m thinking the rcmp / surrey with 650 is probably same as vancouver with 1400.....
rcmp are like canadian coast guard and expensive to operate with huge red tape and overhead and can only afford 650 troops on the ground.
coast guard is same , totally disfunctional and all money eaten up with red tape and beaureacrats, and no money for boats and crew.....who cannot do the job anyways because of too many rules.
A suspect has been arrested.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...e-paskall-homicide-suspect-arrested-1.2652839
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...e-paskall-homicide-suspect-arrested-1.2652839
