Why so much?

[Dgodus]

SR you live in Calgary don't you (iirc from your previous posts), there are women available to you for purposes other than sex. Myself (as well as all the men I work with) live in a camp with 98-99% men and do you want to guess what female ironworkers look/act like, yup like men. So yes I will (and do) pay for everything else than just service, because yes I do miss all the other things associated with women as they aren't available to me. A good friend of mine in camp complains (while we're in a group) how he wants to go home to fuck his wife. While it's just him and I talking his story changes; he misses smelling here hair while they curl up watching tv, he misses the comfort of a warm body in his bed, the sound of her voice after listening to hammer drills and engines running for a month straight, you get the picture.

Plain and simple people will pay for what lacks in their life (amongst other things). I don't have a wife/SO or even home for that matter, to go home to.

And PA perceived value was brought up and how fragile a thing it is. A Porsche has real value (in that it is a finely crafted car - or was when I paid attention to such things) and perceived value (high price, high demand, rave reviews). Should the real value drop (becomes a poorer quality product, or everything else that is cheaper catches up) the the reviews would slow down soon to be followed by the demand dropping. Yes some would still buy a Porsche because it's a Porsche, but even that will lessen when others in "the know" ask "why did you buy a Porsche they're no good anymore?" perceived value can make someone purchase something, but real value does factor into that perception. So while real value is subjective it is there and an illusion (perception) will only hold for so long.

Had to mention banana bread didn't you!? God that sounds so good after nothing but chocolate, chocolate, chocolate all weekend.

 

[myselftheother]

Fuck status....who gives a rats ass....I could fork over $400 to a visiting SP from Montreal for 1 hour
and while she might be good and she might be sexy there is just no fucking way on earth she would provide the same service level that I get on average at my fave micro and would not come close to the service I have gotten at my fave micro when I was pooning off the hook crazy and going 4 times a week and repeating 2-3 times with each gal.There is just no way any western world SP will provide that service as they feel it is beneath them......and thats the type of service I want....no I dont want to be some fuckstick like GR8 from CAF who gets off by sodomizing a gal and pulling her hair whilst doing it as he cant do that with his wife and thusly sees hookers.....I have no desire to demean the gals....I just want wicked service....and I have learned that I can only get at a fine quality micro...so why on earth should I pay more for poor service that does not fulfill my expectations?

With regards to meaningfull conversation with an SP.......give me a fucking break....you are not there to talk you are there to FUCK and to be sexually satisfied.....if the gal gets off that is a credit to you ....if you want to talk and spill your guts go see a therapist and if you cant manage to have a decent conversation post coital with your SO/GF then you are either headed for a breakup or divorce....and besides....an SP cant talk when she has her mouth full and is doing her job.

SR

Agreed....I've wasted $400+ before on several 'top end' providers, escorts who felt the sun and the moon shine out of their asses...and regretted it each time, and most of that was during the 'golden age' mimi is talking about 'back in the day'. Got suckered enough times by 'reputable agencies and independents' that I woke up to the fact that there are fabulous ladies out there that don't want your mortgage payment for an hour, which at most times wasn't an hour due to bookings, etc.

I like to be pampered, treated like I'm deserving of some consideration, a little affection and lots of fun...for less than half of what these 'elite' providers demand. And that's fine, as that is what floats my boat...granted it's mostly rub and tugs, sensual massage as that's what I enjoy the most....and this is not to slam the elite ladies on this board, as there are very reputable professionals who will take you to heaven....and the experiences I've had that were so disappointing was pre-Perb...Bang for the buck goes a long way for me, and yeah, I am not there for the conversation, meaning to waste time 'getting to know each other better'...I get comfort level is important, and it's important to me as well, but I don't need to know about everything that makes her uncomfortable...anyway, I'm rambling...

 

[Dgodus]

Good marketing never feels like you've been marketed to. It feels natural and real.

Actually yes this is true, and I'm glad you mention it. Within this very hobby I was drawn in to see a woman (her write up was different). I figured her to be good at something I craved, which she turned out to be, but unfortunatly other things were simply standard. So I have seen her again, it's only when I really crave that specific thing, not at each opportunity, the overall experience (or value) just isn't there for me. Im sure she does well as I can see some placing importance on what she does really well, but it just goes to show marketing can only get you so far and without something to back it up (she really does excel in that area, let's just say SR wouldn't enjoy her company) the marketing will fall flat.

 

[Tugela]

Fuck status....who gives a rats ass....I could fork over $400 to a visiting SP from Montreal for 1 hour
and while she might be good and she might be sexy there is just no fucking way on earth she would provide the same service level that I get on average at my fave micro and would not come close to the service I have gotten at my fave micro when I was pooning off the hook crazy and going 4 times a week and repeating 2-3 times with each gal.There is just no way any western world SP will provide that service as they feel it is beneath them......and thats the type of service I want....no I dont want to be some fuckstick like GR8 from CAF who gets off by sodomizing a gal and pulling her hair whilst doing it as he cant do that with his wife and thusly sees hookers.....I have no desire to demean the gals....I just want wicked service....and I have learned that I can only get at a fine quality micro...so why on earth should I pay more for poor service that does not fulfill my expectations?

With regards to meaningfull conversation with an SP.......give me a fucking break....you are not there to talk you are there to FUCK and to be sexually satisfied.....if the gal gets off that is a credit to you ....if you want to talk and spill your guts go see a therapist and if you cant manage to have a decent conversation post coital with your SO/GF then you are either headed for a breakup or divorce....and besides....an SP cant talk when she has her mouth full and is doing her job.

SR

That is because you are bottom feeding and your expectations are that. You dont want a sophisticated experience, you just want to bang her. Good for you, but the people who see the higher fee girls want more than that. Your micro's simply cannot deliver that.

 

[DavidMR]

Not too put too fine a point on it, but I think the 100 mile diet concept can be usefully applied to this business too.

 

[cesar]

Agree completely with storm rider. Sorry Turgela but typically the best escorts I have seen were 30-45 yrs of age, typically asian (but some caucasians), charging around $200/hr. Yes I was able to have a little conversation, build some rapport (especially with repeat visits) and get a terrific fuck! This was not bottom feeding - this was decent company and great sex from ladies who like their work. My argument assumes of course that you want sex? If not then either see a psychiatrist or priest/rabbi! No need to be spending $300 or $400 unless you enjoy wasting your money.

That is because you are bottom feeding and your expectations are that. You dont want a sophisticated experience, you just want to bang her. Good for you, but the people who see the higher fee girls want more than that. Your micro's simply cannot deliver that.

 

[storm rider]

That is because you are bottom feeding and your expectations are that. You dont want a sophisticated experience, you just want to bang her. Good for you, but the people who see the higher fee girls want more than that. Your micro's simply cannot deliver that.

Oh I am bottom feeding am I.......no I am living in reality.....in the grand plan of things......I sure as hell dont dont want to see an SP and "talk to her" and make things warm and fuzzy.....when you do that you end up all fucked like sevenofnine/Jasper with his obsessions about Lexy and the like.

I dont want sophistication you fucking douchebag......I want to get my rocks off.....and I want it done in the best way possible......a young Korean gal who will please me and tease me and treat me like a king......a gal who offers up such service to me like she was the concubine of Timogee is what I like...(Timogee is the birth name of Ghengis Khan just to let you know)....not no BS of " I dont kiss" or " no BBBJ but I will do it for an extra $50"


Tugela....you keep seeing that gals you are seeing and I will keep going to my fave micro....in 20 years we should compare notes as to costs of the fun and even more importantly with regards to services.....I will give you double scores for how many times a hooker has held your hand and hugged you and made you feel all special but you have to give me quadruple scores for all the encounters I get where I get my rocks off and my mind blown away.

Conversation is for pussies who dont have the balls.

SR

 

[storm rider]

Haha, if pussies had balls that'd be a hermaphrodite I guess... I think a conversation with a hermaphrodite would be pretty interesting too.

Yeah well if the pussified cross-section of guys on this board had the balls to speak up to their respective spouses both the independant SP's as well as a great number of micros would be out of business........fortunately for them there a shitload of men that say "yes dear" on a regular basis.

SR

 

[mimi]

Elmore, by 'peers' I mean social class.

 

[Elmore]

Yeah well if the pussified cross-section of guys on this board had the balls to speak up to their respective spouses both the independant SP's as well as a great number of micros would be out of business........fortunately for them there a shitload of men that say "yes dear" on a regular basis.

SR

But seriously...enough beating around the bush. Tell us how you really feel.

 

[Elmore]

Elmore, by 'peers' I mean social class.

I don't really agree. Lawyers, doctors, engineers, CEOs...these are the guys who can afford to spend several thousand each month on escorts. What escorts would share their social status? There are some who try to market themselves to appeal to the distinguished upper class gentleman but that does not necessarily reflect who they really are.

 

[Sean D]

Respecting all opinions, the issue as with any product, service or commodity (as suggested by badgerjohn) is purely based on supply/demand which is what ultimately dictates price! Granted, Vancouver is an expensive city, I frequent Toronto and Montreal where the median donation is in the $250-$270 range for a top end SP and a tad lower in Montreal which has many fabulous providers from reputable agencies. Yes, it seems that $300+ seems to be the current price point in YVR however, it is clearly up to the SP to charge whatever she wishes so long as there is someone willing to pay! Pure & simple! Anyways, my .002 on this topic!

 

[Mod-2]

Lets keep things civil people. Some of you, you know who you are, are getting a little aggressive. If I continue to get complaints I will get involved.

 

[normisanas]

Im sure she does well as I can see some placing importance on what she does really well, but it just goes to show marketing can only get you so far and without something to back it up (she really does excel in that area, let's just say SR wouldn't enjoy her company) the marketing will fall flat.

For some reason people equate marketing with lying, and this seems to be the kind of thinking I guess I am reading here. Good marketing is explaining to the consumer, in a manner that appeals to them either intrinsically or cultivates an interest, what it is about what you're trying to sell that meets the consumer's need. Yes, you are right, you can't sell something you can't back up - and good marketing is not about making false promises. Good marketing is about making the consumer satisfied with your product. For example, every SP (well every girl) has a pussy - but what makes having sex with one girl preferable over another? That has to do with the expectation that the client was given when he walks in, and how she makes him feel during the session. The mechanics of the sex is nearly always the same between SP's, but the feeling is different. In other words, she is managing his perception - she is marketing - and that starts (hopefully) when he reads her ad, to when he walks out her door after the session, and sometimes even after when she communicates with him again post-coital. I believe its the marketing that forms the distinction between SP's, and thus legitimates the price they charge. No marketing, all service = low price. Average marketing, routine service = average price. High marketing, service not applicable = high price.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

...I believe its the marketing that forms the distinction between SP's, and thus legitimates the price they charge. No marketing, all service = low price. Average marketing, routine service = average price. High marketing, service not applicable = high price.

So it sounds like you're saying that price simply reflects the marketing hype, and has absolutely nothing to do with service.

In fact, you seem to be saying that, in the absence of high-level marketing, one can almost be certain of a focus on service, at an average price. This would imply that the average ad, with no marketing (no high-end website, etc), at a $50 price tag, all-in, is the epitome of the experience the average fellow is looking for, as he'll be guaranteed top-notch service!

It sounds more like you're living in a dream world, no offence!

 

[Tugela]

For some reason people equate marketing with lying, and this seems to be the kind of thinking I guess I am reading here. Good marketing is explaining to the consumer, in a manner that appeals to them either intrinsically or cultivates an interest, what it is about what you're trying to sell that meets the consumer's need. Yes, you are right, you can't sell something you can't back up - and good marketing is not about making false promises. Good marketing is about making the consumer satisfied with your product. For example, every SP (well every girl) has a pussy - but what makes having sex with one girl preferable over another? That has to do with the expectation that the client was given when he walks in, and how she makes him feel during the session. The mechanics of the sex is nearly always the same between SP's, but the feeling is different. In other words, she is managing his perception - she is marketing - and that starts (hopefully) when he reads her ad, to when he walks out her door after the session, and sometimes even after when she communicates with him again post-coital. I believe its the marketing that forms the distinction between SP's, and thus legitimates the price they charge. No marketing, all service = low price. Average marketing, routine service = average price. High marketing, service not applicable = high price.

It is not marketing, it is presentation. Sort of like going shopping at the local thrift store or going shopping at Harry Rosen. They both sell clothes, one costs more than the other, but the real difference is in presentation and how the store's clients expect them to appear and behave. Someone who shops at Harry Rosen would not be caught dead in a thrift store, even though it is concievable that the exact same item might be sold at both stores but at vastly different prices.

 

[Tugela]

Dream on, show's you have no clue there are plenty of Lexus's and Beam'rs and rich dudes cruisin for ho's on the streets, look at Dr. Ho the billionaire who owned Harmony airlines. He loved to smoke crack with SW's and was busted for it but was rich enough to get off, he still got nailed for holding a ho against her will. Girls never take for granted the guy who is paying you big bucks for a romp isn't also doing the skank on the corner (Hugh Grant comes to mind) its important to always play safe you never know where that dick has been! When the small head takes over the thinkin don't matter how rich the owner is, the pussy can come from anywhere!

Those are the exception, not the rule. It is news when it happens because it happens so infrequently.

How many millionaires get busted picking up streetwalkers? Not many I expect, certainly nothing even remotely approaching the number of blue collar clients who get busted for the same thing.

 

[Tugela]

Agree completely with storm rider. Sorry Turgela but typically the best escorts I have seen were 30-45 yrs of age, typically asian (but some caucasians), charging around $200/hr. Yes I was able to have a little conversation, build some rapport (especially with repeat visits) and get a terrific fuck! This was not bottom feeding - this was decent company and great sex from ladies who like their work. My argument assumes of course that you want sex? If not then either see a psychiatrist or priest/rabbi! No need to be spending $300 or $400 unless you enjoy wasting your money.

Yup. A peasant from deep in the backwoods of some developing country who can speak little or no English. Sounds great! Sign me up! :fear:

The point of seeing a higher priced escort is for a richer experience. If you simply want to bang someone, and don't care about anything else, then sure, you will look for the lowest fee girls. But of course you don't get the frills when you do that, on average. There will be the exceptions no doubt, but if you want the equivalent of a fine dining experience as opposed to a the local fast food joint, you are generally going to need to pay for it. That is how everything else in life works, the escort business is no different.

 

[Dgodus]

For some reason people equate marketing with lying, and this seems to be the kind of thinking I guess I am reading here. Good marketing is explaining to the consumer, in a manner that appeals to them either intrinsically or cultivates an interest, what it is about what you're trying to sell that meets the consumer's need. Yes, you are right, you can't sell something you can't back up - and good marketing is not about making false promises. Good marketing is about making the consumer satisfied with your product. For example, every SP (well every girl) has a pussy - but what makes having sex with one girl preferable over another? That has to do with the expectation that the client was given when he walks in, and how she makes him feel during the session. The mechanics of the sex is nearly always the same between SP's, but the feeling is different. In other words, she is managing his perception - she is marketing - and that starts (hopefully) when he reads her ad, to when he walks out her door after the session, and sometimes even after when she communicates with him again post-coital. I believe its the marketing that forms the distinction between SP's, and thus legitimates the price they charge. No marketing, all service = low price. Average marketing, routine service = average price. High marketing, service not applicable = high price.

You're encompassing nearly everything into marketing. Realistically marketing is simply the webpage/advertisement. Behavior, attitude, dress during the session/date is not marketing, it IS the service. Service is not simply sexual acts for someone spending more. At this point I have a sneakin suspicion you and I agree however the meassage is being distorted through terminology: most of the things you call marketing I call service, and you seem to refer to service as simply sex (I will disagree that with most escorts the sex is the same, this is decidedly NOT true).

 

[Elmore]

Yup. A peasant from deep in the backwoods of some developing country who can speak little or no English. Sounds great! Sign me up! :fear:

The point of seeing a higher priced escort is for a richer experience. If you simply want to bang someone, and don't care about anything else, then sure, you will look for the lowest fee girls. But of course you don't get the frills when you do that, on average. There will be the exceptions no doubt, but if you want the equivalent of a fine dining experience as opposed to a the local fast food joint, you are generally going to need to pay for it. That is how everything else in life works, the escort business is no different.

Your posts are making more sense and I understand why you feel the way you do.

By your own admission, you can't afford to eat at fine dining establishments all that often...no big deal...most can't. But there are those who aspire to have a certain lifestyle and do all they can to put on a false impression even though they simply just are not there yet. Guys with real money will walk into value Village and not give a shit who sees them. The wannabe would be too concerned that his friends might see him.

The guy with money will eat a seven eleven greasy chili dog while in his 5000 dollar suit...he doesn't care. That same guy will see a low priced prostitute. He's not frugal. He just wants something different.

You seem intent on trying to appear aloof even if it means you have to limit your enjoyment of life in order to stick with what you think are "the finer things". Everyone is different. I have spent 500 dollars for a round of golf and I have spent 30 bucks. I just love golf...and I can't afford to golf only at Nicklaus North or Northview if I want to do it as often as I prefer.

That said...I tend to avoid the CL Asian places because I don't want a foot fugus from stepping in their shower . Nor do I want crabs from the bedsheets only being changed every few days after 50 different guys have been on that bed.