The co2 lies

[Devo]

Is there anyone left who actually still believes in the man made global warming scam?

http://notrickszone.com/2012/02/06/...ement-major-media-outlets-unload-on-co2-lies/

 

[DavidMR]

Jesus Christ.

 

[chilli]

Devo you are proving once again you are completely devoid of one single brain cell.

People like you scour the internet, blogs and obscure sites looking for any thread of evidence to support your theories.

4 or 5 people say something you agree with and you go "AHA" this proves I'm right.

All it proves is that there are other morons that agree with you.

Hardly surprising.

 

[Devo]

Devo you are proving once again you are completely devoid of one single brain cell.

People like you scour the internet, blogs and obscure sites looking for any thread of evidence to support your theories.

4 or 5 people say something you agree with and you go "AHA" this proves I'm right.

All it proves is that there are other morons that agree with you.

Hardly surprising.

I actually heard this on Charles Adler today, a nationally syndicated radio show. Hardly some fringe story as you would like to describe it. In the meantime you can have your Prius and I will keep driving my Range Rover.

 

[blazejowski]

Silky?
lol

 

[Lancaster]

To be fair to the OP, the person who published the book/research isn't some crazy yahoo with a tin-foiled hat. Fritz Vahrenholt is basically the German version of David Suzuki.

 

[carvesg]

One idiot denies what 99% of the scientist have proven and every denier jump on his sinking ship.
Put a doubt in the mind of the people who have not studied a subject and you'll have enough people supporting the status quo , the industrial companies benefiting from it really have learned their lesson from the tobacco companies . You just have to put a 100 year old smoker on stage and that is prove that smoking is not harmful for them . Same principle apply here . Laughable ! Go to Whistler and on the way look up if you have the slightest memory of what it used to look like you might have a different opinion knowing the the whole process is repeating itself everywhere in the northern hemisphere as well as the southern. There is not one area that is compensating as of now for that meltdown.

 

[memyselfandI]

How accurate research is or whether or not their are flaws in the methodologies is largely irrelevant.

This is very simple.

We are altering the chemical composition of the atmosphere. That is bound to have some affect. What is your belief Devo, that doing so means nothing??

We are running a massive uncontrolled experiment with the only atmosphere we have. That is short-sighted at best.

 

[badbadboy]

I actually heard this on Charles Adler today, a nationally syndicated radio show. Hardly some fringe story as you would like to describe it. In the meantime you can have your Prius and I will keep driving my Range Rover.

Adler, are you serious? Well, if he said it, it must be true!! ound:

He is on CKNW because they were going broke and couldn't afford to produce their own programming any more. That is why they buy fringe player stuff like Adler. Give your head a shake.

BTW here is the long term forecast for Tuktoyaktuk

http://www.climate-charts.com/Locations/c/CN71959022039100.php

Tell your story to the polar bears doing the back stroke because they can not longer walk on the sea ice.

 

[myselftheother]

Adler, are you serious? Well, if he said it, it must be true!! ound:

He is on CKNW because they were going broke and couldn't afford to produce their own programming any more. That is why they buy fringe player stuff like Adler. Give your head a shake.

BTW here is the long term forecast for Tuktoyaktuk

http://www.climate-charts.com/Locations/c/CN71959022039100.php

Tell your story to the polar bears doing the back stroke because they can not longer walk on the sea ice.

I agree...completely.

As for CKNW....Adler is an idiot. Not nearly as bad as the freakish right wing radio that unfortunately is broadcasting in the US, but still quite inflamatory in his incoherent rhetorical rants about anything other than how wonderful the Conservative party is, and how horny he gets for Harper. Dan Russell's Sport TAlk is pretty good though.

The world is in trouble. Global warming is real. Not all of it is hotter weather...coldr temps, etc....Ice Age...drought...terrible storms, weird weather, wrong temperatures, new diseases evolve....then the zombies attack.....seriously, though...global warming by human activity is real.

 

[badbadboy]

Dan Russell's Sport TAlk is pretty good though.

I only tune in at night time to hear Dan Russell. He is even in his approach and not a cheer leader for the Canucks like Team 1040.

 

[myselftheother]

I only tune in at night time to hear Dan Russell. He is even in his approach and not a cheer leader for the Canucks like Team 1040.

Yep, that's why I like him too, though I used to listen to Dave Pratt and Taylor on the team....too bad he got fired. Dan's great.

 

[Devo]

I find it very amusing how the man made global warming believers pile on and get so worked up whenever you dare to challenge them. The lies are now starting to bubble to the surface and people are taking a closer look instead of just accepting what’s been reported to them by a fawning news media who was just as culpable in the con as anyone else.

How is Kyoto working out for you guys? ound:

 

[carvesg]

I find it very amusing how the man made global warming believers pile on and get so worked up whenever you dare to challenge them. The lies are now starting to bubble to the surface and people are taking a closer look instead of just accepting what’s been reported to them by a fawning news media who was just as culpable in the con as anyone else.

How is Kyoto working out for you guys? ound:

Not a challenge just pure commun sense . Just like the depletion of the ozone layer was a joke until people started falling around you because of small melanomas . Tell me that you had ever heard of melanomas causing people to die 25 or 30 years ago as much as nowadays. Same same

Devo don't become the Lenny of the Co2 !!! I'm begging you !!!!

 

[HankQuinlan]

How is Kyoto working out for you guys? ound:

Whether climate change is real has nothing to do with agreements like Kyoto, or concepts like cap and trade. One is a scientific fact, the others are political "solutions" that will probably have appreciable effect. No one is going to agree the undergo that economic hardships required to correct it (although some European countries have done fairly well). They may change their tune when the economic hardships caused by climate change become increasingly severe, but it will likely be too late. There will no longer be insurance against weather-related loss; nations less affected will have to deal with an huge influx of refugees. I will not likely be alive to see it, however, because it will still be decades down the road.

Things like "Climategate" have no bearing on the facts. Just because some scientists get so frustrated that they try some stupid stunts, or exaggerate data, does not change the basic truth.

Denying that it is happening puts you in same category as people that deny evolution or espouse 9/11 conspiracy theories. You really have to get out more, and stay away from conspiracy sites.

 

[Devo]

I remember how upset and concerned Elizabeth May and the NDP were when Canada rejected Kyoto. That had very good reason to be concerned as they see the writing on the wall.

The rejection of Kyoto by Canada is much more important and telling than the man made global warming supporters would have you believe. The man made global warming supporters would have you believe that this was simply an extreme right wing PM supporting his fat cat big business friends.

Mr Harper knew that participating in Kyoto at any level would be economical suicide for Canada. Secondly as much as I support Stephen Harper and the great job he is doing of running the country I realize that he is still a politician. Politicians make decisions based on internal ideology but also by the polls. Mr Harper is fully aware that people are simply not buying
the man made global warming scam like they did, even 5 years ago.

First we had global cooling in the 70's and that didn't happen. Then we had we had global warming in the 90's and that didn't happen. Then the scammers renamed it climate change so that no matter what happened they had an excuse. You can only cry wolf so many times before people start to catch on.

 

[Devo]

Whether climate change is real has nothing to do with agreements like Kyoto, or concepts like cap and trade. One is a scientific fact, the others are political "solutions" that will probably have appreciable effect. No one is going to agree the undergo that economic hardships required to correct it (although some European countries have done fairly well). They may change their tune when the economic hardships caused by climate change become increasingly severe, but it will likely be too late. There will no longer be insurance against weather-related loss; nations less affected will have to deal with an huge influx of refugees. I will not likely be alive to see it, however, because it will still be decades down the road.

Things like "Climategate" have no bearing on the facts. Just because some scientists get so frustrated that they try some stupid stunts, or exaggerate data, does not change the basic truth.

Denying that it is happening puts you in same category as people that deny evolution or espouse 9/11 conspiracy theories. You really have to get out more, and stay away from conspiracy sites.

Hank with all due respect we were warned back in the seventies that if we didn't immediately and drastically change our habits there would be impending doom only a decade away. Not to highjack, but if I was 16 years old I would be much more concerned about Muslim radicals killing me someday in the future than C02.

 

[blackcad]

I'm surprised by the number of posters here who think it's ok to insult Devo......sure his original post seems to be one-sided...but almost all of the responses here are blindingly one-sided on the opposite side of the coin....and most likely from individuals with no science background.

Science is a methodology where hypotheses are tested using multiple independent tests to provide statistically significant results either supporting the hypothesis or not. Experiments try to test the effect of some given variable on the system, by keeping other variables constant. If experiments support the hypothesis then it becomes an accepted theory...but it never becomes a scientific fact..because we can NEVER be 100% certain that a future experiment won't refine it such that our conclusions are shown to be erroneous. Basically...science can disprove theories...but it can never entirely prove theories.

When we talk about the carbon dioxide debate...whether it is significant in causing warming effects on a global scale....we are unable to utilize science in it's pure sense as no two tests can be considered independent...they all take place in the same system...our world....and are thus not independent. Nor can we only change one variable as almost infinite variables exist and change in our ecosystem that are beyond our control. Cause and effect on a global scale is almost impossible to rectify...at least using rational thought.

This "97%" argument..that 97% of scientists accept CO2 as being the major player here is very loosely thrown around......

A very well written and balanced article was written in Forbes yesterday...it talks about the 97%......

http://www.forbes.com/sites/warrenmeyer/2012/02/09/understanding-the-global-warming-debate/

Is CO2 the driving factor in rising global temperature? Who really knows?....But it appears unlikely. Is global warming happening?....Probably...but even that is not scientific fact...just a theory that has some evidence for it and some against. If global warming is happening what is causing it.....no one knows....the retreat of the last ice age....increases in solar activity....increases in water vapour in the atmosphere...there are complex feedback loops in our ecosystem the workings of which we have only started to scratch the surface of understanding.

I certainly don't have the answers....but I sure as hell know that none of you have them as well.

 

[storm rider]

Alll I can say is that I think the wholesale idea of global warming is a sham.....less than 20 years ago david suzuki was bleating about the dangers of global cooling and the advent of the next ice age....he quickly changed his tune when he realized where the money was....al gore is another one....make a film where the effects are shown but those effects are computer generated graphics and not real images....I am sure he does not mind as he flies around the globe in his personal jet to make speaches/presentations at $500,000+ per appearance....he could video conference via the internet (which he claims he invented) but he would not get paid.....then of course behind those two are the hoards of people who claim the title of "climatologist" on their CV......cant say that I ever saw a job offering for a "climatologist" anywear...yet these people and many among them which are so called experts were caught out with the release of the emails and info from "climate-gate" and suddenly they change the name from "global warming" to "climate change" and for one reason only....MONEY.....and money they dont want to be cut off from...money donated/given by the masses and by governments and even industry from the fear mongering that they espouse to feather their own nests.....I cant say as I have seen david suzuki's home but I bet $100 he lives in a mansion in West Vancouver that far exceeds his needs.....cripes I saw him BITD when I lived in Vancouver at A&B sound at the Boxing Day sale...he did not have a handfull of stuff nor a shopping cart.....he had 2 sycophantic ass kissing A&B Sound wage slaves pushing around a 4 wheeled flat deck and was loading up on everything imaginable.

"Global Warming" & "Climate Change" are just as much of a sham/farce as the threat to the precious Amazon Rainforest in the 1980's.....the precious rainforest that was supposedly going to be completely irradicated before 1995....yet it is still 90% intact and doing just fine....same thing goes for the fragile ozone layer which was supposed to be gone some time ago yet it is still intact.

The most logical thing I have heard about "climate change/global warming" was from 2 geoligists one day when I was getting a cup of tea....."you cant base 1 million years of projected information on less than 100 years of history"......and this is from an actual Geologist...an accredited professional designation that takes years of education....not a "climatologist" which in the grand scheme of things is a self made job based on fear mongering to the easily lead sheep of society to presearve that overpaid dogfuck do nothing jobs.

SR

 

[storm rider]

Agreed. . It would be in these people's interest to maximize their income from grants by delivering research that supports the Ministers' anti-climate change ideology. But for some reason, they choose to make it hard on themselves by delivering research that just shows what they find.

You missed out Peaceguy that those guys who are leading the charge against "climate change" are the ones who will benefit from their propaganda after the easily lead sheep are harvested for the slaughter whilst they sit comfortably in their ivory towers......the whole idea of climate change is a total sham.....it has only grown in false importance since it's ideal was introduced by left wing nut jobs.....and all the while the sheep keep on walking after the self feeding "shepperds" who are working to keep society safe and the like......take a look at david suzuki's home on the internet if you can as well as al gore's.....do you see them living in squalor or even in a "middle class" lifestyle.....NOPE....those guys have cash to burn and they do it in the form of flying around the globe on private airplanes that polute the environment far worse than the people they are brainwashing on an individual basis......but would they quit doing it....nope....no chance of that....if they did so they would be cut off from the money they get.

SR