If I Ever See This Knuckle Dragging Neanderthal I would Kick Him In the Nuts

[kenchorney]

Meat is not essential and you personally won't live without animal protein, which is accurate, as opposed to "can't live without" which is not true. You love it and you won't - those are two different things altogether.


Second, what are you smoking and that must be some good shit!

"few parasites are allowed by meat inspectors, if any" and "any antibiotics used must not be present in the meat of the animal at time of slaughter"


No offense but obviously you live in la-la-land. Meat inspectors don't test all the meat, not even close. They're notoriously understaffed and barely able to spend an hour at any given slaughterhouse. The task of meat inspection is essentially performed by the companies themselves; how reassuring is that! As for antibiotics...hello? Not be present in the meat? It sure as hell is present in the meat. At slaughter AND at meal time. Cooked or not, it's all there and it's all legal. You really should look into this because you clearly don't realize what's present in your meat...and allowed to be in there.









Some of you just keep posting completely false information and forcing others to come up with the accurate info. I mean, come on guys. I've actually posted this before too:






http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/webextras/coffee_shops/types_foodborne.html?coffee_shops


watch it!

http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2011/superbugsinthesupermarket/












Even just in my last post I included the title of a recent article concerning BC poultry contamination alert and included a link. Wouldn't it make sense to at least take a look before posting misinformed beliefs that are far from the real facts? Sorry I don't mean to dump on you, it's just that throughout the entire thread people have just continued to make comments without even bothering to verify if what they were saying and what they believed was actually true and I find this very frustrating. How does anyone expect to learn anything in life if they're not interested in finding the facts?



I'm starting to think people are purposely wanting to keep pretending they have no idea what I and others are talking about. Why is that? This isn't some obscure conspiracy theory based on isolated examples and allegations. This is all very well documented, even in the mainstream media report on most of these things. Many recent, recommended and popular books and documentaries cover all of these things in detail. Obviously some people have no interested in taking the time to read such books or watch the docs (unfortunate) but I would have assumed that you would have at least heard of it through others discussing it or whatever else..? Unless you live under a rock I can't imagine how you would manage to not have heard about these things?









http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/foodsafety/

Thats a pretty big post for someone who was done with this

 

[Miss*Bijou]

You just compared slavery to chickens...

there has been a failure on the internets...

Explain how there is any failure? First of all there was no comparison between "slavery" and "chickens". The term "Slavery" was applied in reference to animals (and to chickens since they are animals). There was no comparison to anything and I'm afraid that claim is the failure here.



The definition of slavery - from wikipedia:

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work.[1] Slaves can be held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase or birth, and deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to demand compensation. Historically the institution was called "slavery" and was accepted by societies; in more recent times slavery is not acceptable.



Chattel slavery

Chattel slavery, so named because people are treated as the personal property, chattels, of an owner and are bought and sold as commodities, is the original form of slavery.




The word "slave":

1. One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.
2. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence:



The whole commerce between master and slave is a perpetual exercise of the most boisterous passions, the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submissions on the other. Our children see this, and learn to imitate it.
Thomas Jefferson




If we treated humans this way (caging, restraining, scalding, drowning and harpooning) we would consider this treatment sadistic and inhumane. Surely animals suffer just as much as humans even if they cannot articulate their complaints. We are as deliberately blind to that suffering as our forefathers were to the suffering they inflicted on slaves. I suppose it is a bit much to expect people to treat domestic animals well when they ignore even the pleas of fellow humans living in other countries. It is a long slow evolution to becoming a compassionate species.

We use the same blather that our forefathers used to justify mistreating slaves. Slaves have no souls, therefore they cannot feel pain, they just appear to feel it. Slaves are not intelligent like us. We are more important than slaves. It is only fitting to sacrifice the welfare of a slave for the well being of a human. Slaves have no rights in the law, so it is preposterous to talk of the rights of slaves. Slaves are chattels. It is nobody’s business what you do with your own property.

Some of the same rhetoric used to justify the persecution of native peoples pervades the justification for the torture and exploitation of animals and expropriating their habitats. Heathens don’t have souls. They are just savages, not civilised like us. They are inferior in intelligence. The only good Injun is a dead Injun.

It is only a matter of time until we recognise the right of all species to co-exist with man, unmolested.


http://mindprod.com/animalrights/animalslaves.html

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Thats a pretty big post for someone who was done with this

No kidding. You're telling me.

I find it impossible to not say anything when what I read is so very inaccurate.

Not that you care. But I'm sure some others do.


And actually, I initially didn't plan on commenting but just wanted to add this video:

Guess I got sidetracked. lol

 

[luvsdaty]

No kidding. You're telling me.

I find it impossible to not say anything when what I read is so very inaccurate.

Not that you care. But I'm sure some others do.


And actually, I initially didn't plan on commenting but just wanted to add this video:

Guess I got sidetracked. lol

Ummmmm, if you feel that strongly about being a vegetarian.Why don't you put in your ads that you will only see clients that don't eat meat

 

[shedevil]

Myselftheother, I believe what shedevil meant was "eat less meat, but of better quality".

That I did. Thanks for actually READING what I wrote.

Did you even read what you posted? First of all, what you said about eat less quality meat and support those who provide less quality meat, a substandard product? Are you out of your mind? Why would I support a local farmer who provides a substandard product, when I can go to someone or somewhere for a higher quality of meat, poultry or fish? I support local produce, and meat farmers, local retailers like the local butcher, but I don't settle for lesser quality meat.

You totally misread what I said. See above.

That's been going on for thousands of years, using horses, oxen, donkeys and dogs to push pull or drag everything, as well as using humans. Chickens, pigs, ducks....not so much. Can't pull a chariot with a team of chickens, which would be pretty weird and would have your centurion pals laughing at you..

Sure it has, and in my view animals are treated as slaves and are "modern day slaves". The advent of factory farming proves that. What else would you call a being that is caged, used and treated like dirt for another person's pupose? Your response is very typical in that the minute a human issue is compared to an animal issue, it's absurd. Why is that?

Thirdly....while meat does have growth hormone in it, and antibiotics are used, few parasites are allowed by meat inspectors, if any, and any antibiotics used must not be present in the meat of the animal at time of slaughter. Back in the old days, you had to cook your pork really well to make sure ring worm, and other parasitic organisms or ytou would suffer serious if not fatal problems....for example it was led to be believed that Mozart died of pork chops not cooked properly..

Yeah and that agency is funded and subsidized by the government. They would never do such a thing. Yeah. Actually there are several studies that have been written on this very subject by scholars and doctors proving my point. The number of Vegetarians and Vegans are rising very rapidly. Why don't you test a sample yourself and see? I've spent several years attending seminars, reading medical reports, books and movies on this subject. All I do is research. Where do you get your facts from and how much time have you spent actually researching this? I've also been educated in the medical and veterinary feild. My animal groups are lead by profs and medical professionals. I'll also add that yes, some bacteria is killed by cooking, but not all of it.

Meat is essential for diet. I personally can't live without animal protein...and I love it. Love my veggies, but a nice steak once a week, chicken, smoked pork, pulled pork sanwiches...beef brisket smoked for 16 hours.....mmmm brisket...time for lunch!!

No, actually it isn't.

SD

 

[kenchorney]

Ummmmm, if you feel that strongly about being a vegetarian.Why don't you put in your ads that you will only see clients that don't eat meat

LOL That that I would like to see.

How about Miss B,

Simple yes or no, we don't need a 10000 word essay and 4 propaganda vids.

 

[Dgodus]

Doesn't matter what your diet is if you're getting your food from these factory farms, mass food producers, hell even likely the farms I see in the prairies; it's got shit on/in it that you don't want to be ingesting. Wether it's pesticides containing neurotoxins and carcinogenics or whatever is in meat (seriously I stopped looking after finding out what is on my bananas and apples - nor do I wanna know what is going on with my strawberries which are 3x larger than normal with only half thetaste).

About slavery. I work with a rancher from just outside Brandon (he's a sparky with bout 100 head of cattle). He free ranges them, gathers them into barns for the really crummy weather, only real terrible thing about these beasts lives is it was always determined they weren't living out their full life span. They're never treated badly (other than the sudden death part) as that would give him a bad product.

A great aunt ran a dairy farm here in NB till she died. The animals were treated as well as you're gonna treat a cow. I've watch them get milked plenty of times when I was young, they just stood there like normal cows except they had the suckers on their udders.

So again depends on where your food comes from.

The kicker, not all of us have options on where we get our food. I live in a camp 36kms away from a co-op which is the closest grocery store (not that it matters as I can't have a fridge, freezer, or stove - even if I did have room to pit them somewhere). I can garuntee you what the company that runs the camp is buying the mass produced garbage. So my options are make 6 figures a year working out of camps eating shitty for me food or I can live in NB where I have access to good organic food but make less than 30k a year so I gotta eat shitty for me food anyways cause I'm living on the cheap.

I like meat, I'm gonna keep eating it. But if you think I'm walking around stuffing my face with steaks and burgers guess again. I eat pasta and on steak night is when they also have the penne with the good meat sauce on prime rib night is when they make Alfredo sauce and I cut up a chicken breast to toss in. Other than that I eat a deli meat turkey sandwich everyday and the rest is all fruit and veggies. But you know what? Doesn't matter cause it's all garbage crap food.... So I might as well enjoy the taste of it.

 

[bcneil]

Well Brock made it to the ring nice and safe. Was sure someone in the crowd was going to kick him in the nuts walking to the cage.


EDIT
Good news for the soapbox vegans. Lesnar lost.
Bad new.....appears his opponent is also a meat eater.

 

[the virgin gary]

Good news for the soapbox vegans. Lesnar lost.
Bad new.....appears his opponent is also a meat eater.

his opponent claims horse meat is the best source of protein and eats it numerous times a day.

miss bijou i can't speak to that kind of stupidity. sorry.

 

[luvsdaty]

:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:Whats that old saying'The more you disapprove, the more fun it is for me' Girls say that all the time when there trying to piss off daddy.

 

[DavidMR]

Not all of us 'meatheads' let big corporations do there killing for them I hunt for moose ,elk & deer,I've got 3 freezers 1 for meat,1 for fish & 1 for veggies.
We are omnivores by the way?

I would like to be doing the same thing, but don't have the skills and am probably too old too learn. Fishing maybe! Don't agree with Very Veronica on this one, ... but if her body is a reflection of her eating habits, maybe vegetarian diets have some very real plusses!

 

[DavidMR]

A most inventive story. However, the high point was this paragraph:

"Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement... "

You forgot to mention that without the intellectual activities and research and developement efforts of liberals and democrats, the Conservatives would still be hunting with hand sharpened spears.

 

[luvsdaty]

You forgot to mention that without the intellectual activities and research and developement efforts of liberals and democrats, the Conservatives would still be hunting with hand sharpened spears.[/QUOTE]
Dead fall traps use to work well to.Plains indians use to just run the buffalo over a cliff(no spear needed):nod:

 

[myselftheother]

Liberals and Socialists have always been good at finding "efficient" ways to kill those who disagree with them. Samuel Colt, who's revolver allowed Andy Jackson to re-locate Indians "west of the Mississippi" so that his slaves could farm the good land of the Indian's former reserves - Jewish Chemist Fritz Haber, who invented Mustard Gas for WWI and Zyklon for WWII so that Jews that weren't Hasidic could be easily exterminated by Adolph Hitler's Nazis - Robert Oppenheimer who took fellow Jew Albert Einstein's theoretical ideas and created the weapons dropped on the only nation to accept Jewish escapees from Nazi Germany.

Yup - History demonstrates, clearly, that you don't want to disagree with a Liberal or Socialist that has power. It can be deadly.

whoa...this thread really lost it's way. From Lesnar getting charged with leaving a trophy carcass and only taking the head, to whether vegans and omnivors are the chosen ones, to cons vs libs. What's the next topic? Whether Burt and Ernie really were just roomates? Do vegans swallow? hmmm.

Seriously tho, folks...Lesnar was wrong in violation of the law governing hunting wildlife. Was charged for it....done. Happy New Year, kids!

 

[Dgodus]

whoa...this thread really lost it's way. From Lesnar getting charged with leaving a trophy carcass and only taking the head, to whether vegans and omnivors are the chosen ones, to cons vs libs. What's the next topic? Whether Burt and Ernie really were just roomates? Do vegans swallow? hmmm.

Seriously tho, folks...Lesnar was wrong in violation of the law governing hunting wildlife. Was charged for it....done. Happy New Year, kids!

Shhhhhhhh. My popcorn isn't done yet and I wanna watch more heads explode.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

If I had to bet on the person who has a longer lifespan between a meat eater vs. a vegan, I know who I have my money on.

Most vegans I've ever come across look like they're near death (including one particular poster in this thread)

Came across something interesting today and it reminded of these silly comments so I thought I'd briefly revive this thread to demonstrate that's all non sense

Sculptured By Weights And a Strict Vegan Diet
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/sports/vegans-muscle-their-way-into-bodybuilding.html?_r=3


HUNTSVILLE, Ala. — Jimi Sitko gets up at 4 most mornings, works out two to four hours a day and can bench-press nearly twice his weight. He has a shaved head and a brightly colored tattoo on his left arm, and he can easily be mistaken for a Marine separated from his platoon.

His apartment is filled with medals and trophies from bodybuilding competitions, snapshots of his tanned, rippled physique in full flex. His uniform is an assortment of sweat pants and hoodies, which he occasionally lifts when his abs look particularly fierce.

But most surprising is what is inside Sitko’s stomach: tofu, fresh greens and plant-based protein powder.

Sitko is among a niche community of vegan bodybuilders.

As the popularity of veganism has spread in recent years — fueled in part by a flurry of food-focused documentaries like “Super Size Me,” “Food, Inc.” and “Forks Over Knives” — its imprint can be seen in industries like publishing (VegNews) and fashion (hemp tote bags).

It has even entered bodybuilding, perceived by many as a population of vein-popping men and women thriving off meat and artificial enhancements. Competitors like Sitko are forging a distinctive subculture of antibeef beefcakes who hope to change more of their competitors’ eating habits.

As a vegan, Sitko, 29, does not eat meat, dairy or, he said, “anything else that comes from an animal.” As a bodybuilder, he spends hours at the gym lifting barbells, running on a treadmill and sculpturing his 5-foot-11, 180-pound body. Then he spray-tans and parades before a panel of judges in a posing suit, known in the sport as a mankini. He is preparing for a competition in March.

There is little official data on competitive bodybuilders who are vegan, though the Web site veganbodybuilding.com has more than 5,000 registered users.

Denny Kakos, the president of the International Natural Bodybuilding Association, said he had no vegan bodybuilders entering his competitions in the late 1980s and early ’90s. Today, vegans make up a sliver of the approximately 6,000 people who compete through the group each year, but they have been a steady, small presence since the 2000s, Kakos said.

“I think it’s great that there are people who are vegan and compete,” he said. “But it’s hard for bodybuilding.”

For some vegan bodybuilders, like Sitko, veganism was an attempt to improve diet and health. Others said that a vegan lifestyle reflected their personal beliefs about animal or environmental preservation. Still others regarded it as a form of rebellion against steroid culture.

“I laugh at the drug tests,” said Billy Simmonds, a vegan bodybuilder in Las Vegas. “I don’t even eat meat.”

Bodybuilders have long been known for maintaining highly restrictive diets, often low in carbohydrates and high in protein and calories, meticulously timed with arduous workout schedules. They aim to have big muscles and little fat, which may require cycles of adding weight, then chiseling away fat to make muscles pop like He-Man’s.

Nutritionists remain divided on the implications of adding vegan requirements to the already arduous bodybuilder diet, and caution that any extreme diet be undertaken with heavy research.

“Is it possible to be a good bodybuilder and be a vegan? Yes,” said Jose Antonio, the chief executive of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. “But is it ideal? No.”

Vegan bodybuilders may face challenges getting sufficient amino acids, found in meats, Antonio said, adding that although protein can be found in vegetables and nuts, they must be consumed in greater quantities to get the same amount as their counterparts in meat. “The amount of rice and beans you need to eat would fill up a Mexican restaurant,” he said.

Other nutritionists and bodybuilders have argued that a disciplined vegan diet, consisting of things like hemp-based protein supplements, peanut butter, nuts, vegetables and legumes, can yield similar, if not better, results than a meat- or dairy-filled diet. Carefully monitored, vegans can get the same amount of protein with less fat or toxins, they argue. (For a midafternoon snack, Sitko sometimes eats 10 bananas.)

The need for specific, vegan-friendly bodybuilding advice helped create the career of 31-year-old Robert Cheeke of Corvallis, Ore. He gives motivational lectures, sells vegan-themed T-shirts and gym bags and wrote a book about vegan bodybuilding that discusses how he went from 120 pounds as a teenage vegan to 195 pounds today.

“In those days, that meant a dozen tofu dogs a day, six Clif Bars, refried beans, whatever I could eat was calories,” Cheeke said. “It worked, but it was tough on my stomach. It wasn’t healthy.”

Cheeke said he was now focused on plant-based eating, including kale, avocados, beans and spinach, much of it organically grown in his garden.

In 2003, Cheeke founded veganbodybuilding.com. The site hosts forums for vegan recipes (“Hemp-fu pudding”), strength training (“Barbell vs. Dumbbell? Pain?”) and vegan dating (closed to nonmembers).

Giacomo Marchese met Dani Taylor, a bodybuilder living near him in Massachusetts, through a “Vegan Vacation” organized through the site in July 2008. Marchese proposed last August and the two, both still vegan and still bodybuilding, are planning their wedding.

“The Web site and community of vegan bodybuilders changed my life,” Marchese said.

The site is also a place for getting advice. Before strutting before judges, some bodybuilders recommend quickly chugging an alcoholic drink or eating something sugary to make their veins — and therefore their muscles — pop.

Kenneth G. Williams, a 44-year-old bodybuilder in Oakland, Calif., is a vegan who has taken on traditional bodybuilders and won. But first, there was the stigma.

“I had buddies at the gym, they just thought I was crazy,” Williams said. “I had a great physique and they said, ‘You’re going to get skinny, sick and frail, and die.’ I wasn’t encouraged.”

In 2003, Williams became vegan. In 2004, he won his first competition.

“When they announced me as the winner, people were very happy,” Williams said. “But once the announcer mentioned I was a vegan, the claps stopped and it got so quiet in that auditorium. Right on stage, it hit me: nobody knows about this.”

Williams is now a raw vegan; he said he never heated his food above 112 degrees Fahrenheit.

“I’m no longer an athlete,” he said. “I’m a warrior now. There’s a big difference. The athletes are just out to get paid. Warriors stand for something.”

Lots of athletes are vegetarian or vegan.

Carl Lewis
You don’t need to look past track and field legend Carl Lewis to find a veggie powered speed machine. Lewis won a whopping 10 Olympic medals (9 of them gold) and 10 World Championship medals (8 gold). These amazing accomplishments earned him the title “World Athlete of the Century” from the International Association of Athletics Federations, “Sportsman of the Century” from the International Olympic Committee and “Olymipian of the Century” from Sports Illustrated. Lewis proudly says “My best performances were when I was 30 years old and I was a vegan.”

Mike Tyson
George Laraque
Dennis Rodman
Martina Navratilova
Mac Danzig

Just to name a few...:thumb:







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[luvsdaty]

Came across something interesting today and it reminded of these silly comments so I thought I'd briefly revive this thread to demonstrate that's all non sense








Lots of athletes are vegetarian or vegan.

Carl Lewis
You don’t need to look past track and field legend Carl Lewis to find a veggie powered speed machine. Lewis won a whopping 10 Olympic medals (9 of them gold) and 10 World Championship medals (8 gold). These amazing accomplishments earned him the title “World Athlete of the Century” from the International Association of Athletics Federations, “Sportsman of the Century” from the International Olympic Committee and “Olymipian of the Century” from Sports Illustrated. Lewis proudly says “My best performances were when I was 30 years old and I was a vegan.”

Mike Tyson
George Laraque
Dennis Rodman
Martina Navratilova
Mac Danzig

Just to name a few...:t




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So does it gross you out when some guys kissing you & he's got meat stuck between his teeth

 

[vancity_cowboy]

So does it gross you out when some guys kissing you & he's got meat stuck between his teeth

it sure as hell would gross ME out... :fear:

 

[uncleg]

it sure as hell would gross ME out... :fear:

.......................and that's the only problem you'd have with that, the meat in his teeth ??????????????:eyebrows:

 

[luvsdaty]

I could never date a vegetarian,to control freaky for me