Busting loose in Hongkong…for travel-minded fellow pooners

[vancity_cowboy]

tant, thanks for this wonderful description of your adventures in hk

i happen to believe that whatever happens between two concenting adults is nobody else's business. i agree with the criteria you set for yourself because they are your criteria - nobody else's. let the critical ones beat their breasts trying to make us feel guilty, but i've spent a lifetime battling against guilt in society, so i don't buy their posturing

i don't consider what you do to be exploitive in the least

 

[storm rider]

Thanks for the thread Tant.....with regards to Jenny's sick mother I refer you to the Thai bargirls 10 commandements.

1. Late week, specifically Friday and Saturday, many locally employed walking ATM machines will come to your bar. Choose carefully! Some have money, but others do not! If he is wearing a suit and tie, check
that the tie is not a Pratunam special and check that he isn't wearing tennis shoes. If either of these are in the affirmative, forget him because he is likely an English teacher, and they will give you peanuts _ that is if
they give you anything at all.

2. No matter how fat and ugly he is, no matter how bad he may smell, no matter how drunk he is, make sure you always tell him how handsome he is. Sit close to him and run your hands over his body, arousing
him. As soon as he has paid the bar fine, you can stand clear of him. Even if he knows that you despise his ugly butt, he'll still pay you. The hard part is getting him to pay the bar, and as soon as you have done that, the rest is easy.

3. Start collecting email addresses from all of your customers. And once you have a good collection of addresses, a visit to your local Internet cafe is in order. All of those email addressees should be sent an email. Simply change the name on each email and send it off to all of the guys. If you can remember something specific about them, mention that in the email too.

4. These walking ATMs all have a soft heart, so you need to tell them a story to get them to send you some of their riches. Start with a sick buffalo and if he doesn't reply, next tell him that your mother is sick. As a last resort, if he still doesn't send any money, tell him
you are pregnant and the baby is his! 4. Practice crying on cue. It is essential that you can produce tears immediately. This will have the effect of helping the walking ATM machine to see things your way!

5. When you get a customer for an extended period of time, make sure he takes you shopping, with rarn tong (gold shop) the best place to visit. Make sure he buys you gold and if he doesn't, see rule 4! As soon as he has left Thailand, take the gold back to the shop and sell
it straight back to them, thus increasing your pay out.

6. When locally based farangs are inside the bars, do not speak in Thai with your friends in the bar but rather use Lao, Khmer or any other dialects that you may know. It's bad enough that some of them can speak and even read Thai, but Lao and Khmer should be kept as sacrosanct. Under no circumstances should the farang be taught our regional dialects.

7. Always see him off at the airport. Thai currency cannot be used in his country, so it is highly likely that he will give you all of his leftover baht as he leaves and says goodbye. While accompanying him to the airport, prevent him from buying going-away gifts for his family and friends in his homeland. This leaves more
for you.

8. See Asian customers. They understand that they like to gamble, and they also understand that they have lots of unemployed brothers and sisters who need to eat. Therefore, pay a lot better than the farangs.




9. Remember, when you get paid, you must always ask for taxi money and give him the excuse that taxi drivers cannot give change on big notes. Don't let him see the small change in your wallet. If taxi money isn't forthcoming, see rule 4.

10. If you are no longer making money in Bangkok, move down to Phuket where you will be able to start making money again. Give Phuket a few years, then move on to Pattaya. Even if you are approaching 50, it is no problem as the walking ATM machines seem to be blind in Pattaya.




The Rules According to:

Mr. KAI! &

Supported by Mr. Bean


As posted in the ExpatGuide-Thailand...an excellent source of info.

Thanks again for this thread and the valueable information...Thailand is high on my list of pooning destinations and to be honest...with info such as what you have posted and what I have read on other forums Hong Kong is a must do as well.

SR

 

[wilde]

Thanks for a good read. Next time you should try Macau, girls are better but also cost more.

 

[manni]

hey Tant, thanks for sharing your adventures. so informative and always engaging!
belated merry christmas and I'm sure you'll have a bangin' New Year.

 

[Sonny]

Next time you should try Macau, girls are better but also cost more.

Those Macau girls are sooooo pretty!

 

[Sonny]

Was in Macau in the late 70s - had a fight in Manila, but I hate the Philippines. There were incredibly beautiful girls from Australia, Great Britain, Europe available.

Yes, working girls from all over just love the cash that's flowing around in those casinos.

And the Chinese just love that white meat.

 

[87112]

They want your money honey, and love you long time.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/KD18Ad01.html

 

[lenny]

They want your money honey, and love you long time.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/KD18Ad01.html

That's a good read, even for older farts like me, but esp for the young & inexperienced,
although it is unlikely they'll take it to heart. Teenagers are hopelessly idealistic.

" In the 19th century most Western women were even more pecuniary in their marital outlook than Chinese women are today. Read just about any European novel of the time to confirm this view, with the work of English writers Jane Austen and George Eliot (the pen name for Mary Ann Evans), among others, standing out."

 

[lenny]

Thanks, Lenny, for your interesting, informed comment. Like myself, you seem curious about what's happening in this wider world of ours.

Oh yeah, very curious, although voluntarily grounded for the time being. Have been in BKK for 6
months 3 times since 07, with another trip there for 2 months. But two recent threads here,
including this one are making me think about going to HK/China. Though for a long stay {several
months to make it worthwhile} in HK i'd be concerned about costs, especially for hotels. I pay
about 1K/mo in BKK per month in an average room in a very well situated area, BTW.

It's truly amazing to me, and disturbing, that Thai girls working in Hongkong for less than Can$9 a pop are "making much more mulla there than they would in their home cuntry"! But I guess, that's the result of terrible economic and political conditions in so many places.

Sorry, but my comment meant to convey only that 2 {very attractive} TGs i knew of made more in HK than they would in BKK. Which is to say they would have made in HKK way more than $30/hour. But I cannot speak to the "unattractive" ones you saw who netted $9 a pop, although it is reasonable to ask why they would be there if they could do as well in their home country. Evidently they are not the type you were refering to, hence not the only TGs in HKK. So where these other TGs can be found there might be of interest to some readers, which a search of sites like ISG would very likely reveal.

I certainly don't share the view of those who think they're doing those women a favor by boycotting their erotic services.

Absolutely ridiculous to say otherwise. And some of those who do are likely pimps for local whores
or are on some kind of ignorant fundamentalist or feminazi crusade, thinking they are smarter &
holier than thou than ladies in such places, & prefer their families suffer poverty and starvation!
It's a bit of a no brainer, but let them continue with their empty fly-by-night hit and runs ; Maybe
the facts will eventually sink through and they'll realize the truth rather than mere propaganda.
In the meantime continue being a Robin Hood, taking from the rich {us} to feed the poor {them},
rather than those prostitutes who are already relatively rich because they live in first world nations,
so do not have the same need to do what they do, but do it anyway for the love of money, etc.

 

[lenny]

It's more about those who come from a first world nation (you) and go to a poor nation (them) and take advantage of a situation. So nothing about the ladies in those places, all about the men who visit to those places and then brag about what they got for how little they paid.......ohhhhh and then have the gall to say they are doing them a favour.

Like i said, more empty propaganda w/o consideration for the aid being given to those desperately in need. It's a win-win situation. Bragging is irrelevant to the point, and i don't recall anyone doing that, anyway. Would you prefer they & their families starve? Of course in NA starvation is not an issue, just greed, and hookers are willing to give it up for that rich brandname lifestyle. Not to say there aren't a few examples of PT college students doing that in Asia, too, e.g. Bangkok, but i would suggest that is more of an exeption than the norm.

 

[tantalizeme]

Macao

Thanks for a good read. Next time you should try Macau, girls are better but also cost more.

No end to possibilities—no hope any of us can poon his way through all of them. Since Macao gets so much praise, here's a recent articulate report I like: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?985-General-Info&p=1105524#post1105524.

According to Rippa's report, there seems at least one reasonably priced option in Macao, the pensions/brothels near the Sofitel Hotel: HK$250 for the room & HK$500 for the girl (slightly below $100 Canadian). I'll no doubt have occasion to go to Macao in the future, and field reports from fellow pooners on this site would be welcomed.

 

[tantalizeme]

Love that list of bargirls' commandments

Thanks, storm rider, for your link to the ExpatGuide-Thailand and the interesting glimpse of what probably goes on in the minds of those girls.

I wouldn't get carried away with cynicism, though. Of course they want to tap as deeply as possible into our wallets. But I find, any encounter always takes on its own dynamics, and warm friendliness on your part is likely to elicit an authentic response in many of them.

But I agree, falling in love—and trying to make the necessary commitments for a full-fledged relationship—is likely to get you burned badly.

Good look in your own globetrotting!

 

[tantalizeme]

Are sex tourists benefitting Third World SPs or exploiting them?

You may not share the view of boycotting erotic services but you certainly are not averse to exploiting them. Glad you had fun on your pooning trip, doesnt sound like a place I would ever visit, thanks.

It's more about those who come from a first world nation (you) and go to a poor nation (them) and take advantage of a situation. So nothing about the ladies in those places, all about the men who visit to those places and then brag about what they got for how little they paid.......ohhhhh and then have the gall to say they are doing them a favour.

Thanks for your perspective, Gomez Adams & HunkaHunkaBurninLuv. I suspect your viewpoint is widely shared by mainstream society.

Any debate of this important issue certainly requires pros and cons to be weighed. Those who see sex tourism in black-and-white terms—as either all evil (or all good)—may often, subconsciously, speak with the voice of religious or cultural conditioning, or possibly have narrow self-interest motivating them.

The approach that strikes me as most responsible, in the end, is to go by how actual people in the real world want me to treat them, as opposed to going by what would be ideal if the world were very different.

And perhaps you should ask massage girls in China, or bargirls in the Philippines or Thailand, what they they prefer—just giving you a massage, or sharing a drink, or providing you with erotic pleasure for a charge—and then go by their answer.

I've also noticed that Asian SPs usually don't seem to think of sexual services as something remotely yucky or immoral, but as satisfying a perfectly normal desire of healthy males.

I like the InternationalSexGuide's definition of an "anti-sex pervert" (which I've slightly modified): http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?1897-Terms-and-Abbreviations-List

Anti-Sex Pervert: These are the "real" perverts, the people who are against the concept of healthy men engaging in sex with willing [adult] female partners.

 

[storm rider]

Thanks, storm rider, for your link to the ExpatGuide-Thailand and the interesting glimpse of what probably goes on in the minds of those girls.

I wouldn't get carried away with cynicism, though. Of course they want to tap as deeply as possible into our wallets. But I find, any encounter always takes on its own dynamics, and warm friendliness on your part is likely to elicit an authentic response in many of them.

But I agree, falling in love—and trying to make the necessary commitments for a full-fledged relationship—is likely to get you burned badly.

Good look in your own globetrotting!

You are quite welcome.....enjoy the info on the expat site...it is quite good...sadly I just plain dont get to travel so I am learning what I can now for when I do get to travel.

SR

 

[Gomez Adams]

Thanks for your perspective, Gomez Adams & HunkaHunkaBurninLuv. I suspect your viewpoint is widely shared by mainstream society.

Actually its much simpler than that. You paid 17 dollars for 45 minutes of FS and you begrudge the girl what would amount to a 13 dollar tip because she wouldnt do CG. You are a disgrace to any self respecting pooner who truly appreciates the work and station that some of these women endure. Mainstream society....I would think anyone with a heart, sheesh!

 

[storm rider]

Actually its much simpler than that. You paid 17 dollars for 45 minutes of FS and you begrudge the girl what would amount to a 13 dollar tip because she wouldnt do CG. You are a disgrace to any self respecting pooner who truly appreciates the work and station that some of these women endure. Mainstream society....I would think anyone with a heart, sheesh!

Every guy can have prerequisites and expectations and can thusly reward/tip based on those.... be it in China or Canada or Thailand or Cuba and the list goes on....no matter the country or the costs associated with P4P.....a tip...or any tip would be based on the satisfaction felt by the guy and how his expectations were met.

SR

 

[Tugela]

Thanks for your perspective, Gomez Adams & HunkaHunkaBurninLuv. I suspect your viewpoint is widely shared by mainstream society.

Any debate of this important issue certainly requires pros and cons to be weighed. Those who see sex tourism in black-and-white terms—as either all evil (or all good)—may often, subconsciously, speak with the voice of religious or cultural conditioning, or possibly have narrow self-interest motivating them.

Not at all. I think what people find distasteful is when folk such as yourself go to places like that to obtain intrinsically valuable services which basically cost nothing to you, and then nickle and dime when it comes to being generous. The few dollars extra you could give her would be little to you but would be a rare gift for her.

 

[lenny]

Actually its much simpler than that. You paid 17 dollars for 45 minutes of FS and you begrudge the girl what would amount to a 13 dollar tip because she wouldnt do CG.

A $13 addition on a $17 bill would be a tip of over 75%.

If he tips her that amount, then he should give those who do what he's
looking for even more. But in this case she seemed more interested in
giving him a sick water buffalo type of story.

On forums like ISG there is a lot of concern that overpaying will ruin
the market for those who can't throw around humungous tips.

 

[lenny]

Not at all. I think what people find distasteful is when folk such as yourself go to places like that to obtain intrinsically valuable services which basically cost nothing to you, and then nickle and dime when it comes to being generous. The few dollars extra you could give her would be little to you but would be a rare gift for her.

And you know all of this how? I didn't realize you knew the lady personally.
How much does it cost to fly across oceans and continents to China? Or
to stay in a decent hotel there?

 

[Gomez Adams]

How much does it cost to fly across oceans and continents to China? Or
to stay in a decent hotel there?

Boo hoo, that sounds like a sick water buffalo story to me.