Think your food is safe? Well you're not sick or dead........ yet.

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.... so government says it means what they're doing now (frighteningly little) must be working, so there's no need to worry.

(Presumably it'll be time to worry about food safety when it becomes obvious what they're doing isn't enough? When people get ill and die as a result of disease outbreaks from our food? Oh wait.... hasn't this already happened? :rolleyes; )


So who is concerned about the safety of our food? Anyone? *sound of crickets*





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Animal auction inspections needed, says B.C. SPCA

By Stephen Thomson, November 25, 2010


An animal-welfare advocate says an inspection system is needed to monitor the condition of livestock that goes to auction in the province.

The call comes as the B.C. government embarks on an effort to update the province’s aging animal-health legislation.

“Surveillance of auctions in particular would be excellent if they were interested in putting that into place,” said Geoff Urton, B.C. SPCA animal welfare manager.

Urton said there isn’t a clear enough picture available of scope of the health and welfare problems such animals as cattle encounter at the privately run auctions.

But he said there are risks from a range of infectious diseases and other forms of illness when animals endure the stress of transportation and are housed in close quarters.

“Ontario has full-time livestock inspectors who do that and we don’t have anything like that in B.C. but we definitely need it,” he told the Straight by phone.

B.C. chief veterinary officer Paul Kitching said the province licenses animal auctions but does not have a system in place for inspections.

On Tuesday (November 23), the Ministry of Agriculture launched a 60-day review of the Animal Disease Control Act and related policies. The public is being asked for input.

Kitching told the Straight by phone that the review will help the province bring its legislation around disease prevention and control in line with the rest of the country.

He said the 50-year-old legislation is outdated and doesn’t address a range of diseases nor reflect the relationship between provincial and federal authorities.

“There’s a whole spectrum of disease which aren’t mentioned, aren’t included, weren’t even identified possibly in those days.”


From: http://www.straight.com/article-361550/vancouver/animal-auction-inspections-needed-says-bc-spca





Food safety advisory panel falls short: critics

By LAURA PAYTON, Parliamentary Bureau
November 18, 2010.


OTTAWA – Opposition critics say a new panel of experts isn't enough to make sure Canadians' food is safe, as the union in charge of inspections complains they don't have enough resources more than two years after listeria killed 22 people.

The union that represents food inspectors says that 16 months after former health-care executive Sheila Weatherill gave the government 57 recommendations on avoiding another food safety crisis, Canada still doesn't have enough inspectors and hasn't equipped them with the technology they need to do their jobs.

In response, Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz announced the new Ministerial Advisory Board on food safety, which he says meets one of Weatherill's recommendations.

Ritz told a House committee the panel is “just one more way that we're improving an already world-recognized food safety system.”

“This highly qualified and diverse advisory board builds upon our government’s increased investments, hiring of more inspectors and enhanced listeria testing,” he said.

The panel will meet regularly and report annually, a statement from Ritz's department said.

Opposition critics, however, say appointing a panel doesn't take care of the need for more inspectors. Liberal MP Wayne Easter and NDP MP Malcolm Allen say they want an independent audit to decide how many inspectors are needed to handle the work load.

They also worry there's no one on the panel from the inspectors' union or on behalf of consumers.






'Food safety in Canada is an accident;' Prof Rick Holley

November 20th, 2010


“Food safety in Canada, believe it or not, is an accident. It really is,” says Rick Holley, a University of Manitoba food-safety expert and an adviser to the Canadian Food Inspection Agency.

That’s how Toronto’s Globe and Mail newspaper kicks off a week-long series on the global marketplace for food, and how Canada has yet to come to terms with the regulatory, economic and technological challenges of global food, by reporter Steven Chase.

Last year, Canada imported more than 33 million litres of apple juice from China; 11.8 million kilograms of pickles and relish from India and 4.9 million kilograms of cashews from Vietnam, all part of a two-decade-long surge that has made imported food – often from developing countries – a significant component of the Canadian diet. All of it is grown or processed far beyond the reach of Canada’s food inspection system, which – contrary to what consumers might expect – is still struggling to catch up to the reality of a global food market.

Critics say Canada’s ability to safeguard its citizens from the risks of both domestic and imported food is falling behind – charges levelled even as efforts are under way at the Canadian Food Inspection Agency to update practices for the 21st-century global marketplace.

Today, foreign food makes up 15 to 20 per cent of this country’s diet.

Importers are not currently required by Ottawa to provide documentation that traces a primary food product to its origin. Some food retailers and importers may, however, already collect this information for their own commercial purposes.

Chief Food Safety Officer Brian Evans says CFIA intends to propose that importers be required to document the origin of all “ single entity products” – as opposed to multi-ingredient goods – they bring into Canada. These would include fish, eggs, leafy greens, salads, fresh fruits and vegetables. We would like to have country of origin traceability requirements as part of the first set of regulations going forward. We would like to see that in 18 to 24 months.”

However, he said, the timing and final details of such a plan is up to the government.

Roughly about 1 to 2 per cent of foreign food imports that enter Canada are inspected. The agency heavily inspects some products such as meat and also pays closer attention to goods that have a history of carrying food-borne illness – such as fish or leafy greens or eggs.

The CFIA argues that the absence of big problems shows the system works. (wtf??) In any given day, Dr. Evans says, about 100-million meals are eaten in Canada – which works out to about 36.5 billion meals at year. And what’s going wrong? There are about 250 to 300 recalls of food each year following inspections or consumer complaints. Canadians also suffer an estimated 11- million cases of acute gastroenteritis each year – a relatively minor amount – and one that federal authorities suggest is largely due to food preparation mistakes or bad hygiene rather than substandard imports.

However, the University of Manitoba’s Dr. Holley says a push for traceability is not a priority when there are other problems with food safety, including a lack of comprehensive information on what is making Canadians sick. “It's like putting a sunroof on a car that has bald tires.”


Globe & Mail 6-part series here






Wow it sure is reassuring to read they're on top of it. I mean, it's just food safety afterall... :rolleyes:

One of these days it's really going to bite them (us) in the ass but unfortunately it will be too late to admit it could have been predicted & avoided.

Don't get me started on the outrageous issue of farm raised salmon right here in BC... that is another trainwreck disaster waiting to happen.


I really don't understand why we still blindly trust that they're on the ball and actually keeping our food chain safe!
They're not..so what now? :eek: :mad:



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oh, you only eat chicken?



Bird flu found at Manitoba turkey farm

Steve Lambert
Winnipeg— The Canadian Press
Published Wednesday, Nov. 24, 2010


The Canadian Food Inspection Agency is investigating an outbreak of avian flu on a turkey farm in Manitoba.

Officials say the risk to humans is low as there is no indication that it is the Asian strain of H5N1 flu, which decimated flocks and killed dozens of people in Asia and Europe for much of this decade.

“Our experience with these types of outbreaks in Canada so far ... has been that there's very limited illness in humans and the illness has been mild,” Dr. Joel Kettner, Manitoba's chief public health officer, said Wednesday.

Health officials also believe the outbreak north of Winnipeg is not of the H5N2 type which caused thousands of birds to be destroyed last year in British Columbia's Fraser Valley.


From: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...found-at-manitoba-turkey-farm/article1812049/







Bird flu causes Alzheimer's-like brain damage, study says


Maggie Fox
Washington— Reuters News Agency
Published Monday, Aug. 10, 2009


Survivors of bird flu, and perhaps other influenza viruses, may not be out of the woods once the fever and cough are gone: Animal studies suggest the virus may damage the brain and cause Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease.

The tests on mice show that the H5N1 virus can get into the brain, causing damage that resembles Parkinson's and Alzheimer's in humans, the researchers wrote in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

“Our results suggest that a pandemic H5N1 pathogen, or other neurotropic influenza virus, could initiate central nervous system disorders of protein aggregation including Parkinson's and Alzheimer's diseases,” Richard Smeyne of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tenn., and colleagues wrote.

H5N1 avian influenza mostly affects birds, but since 2003 it has infected 436 people and killed 262 of them.

It is an especially destructive virus in people, causing widespread organ damage. Unlike most influenza viruses, it is neurotropic, meaning it can infect nerve cells, including cells in the brain.

There is no evidence the current pandemic strain of H1N1 swine flu affects the brain, although it can cause multiple organ failure.

“Animals infected by H5N1 viruses have demonstrated acute neurological signs ranging from mild encephalitis to motor disturbances to coma. However, no studies have examined the longer-term neurologic consequences of H5N1 infection among surviving hosts,” Dr. Smeyne and colleagues wrote.

They infected mice with H5N1, waited until they recovered, and looked at their brains.

“We show that this virus travels from the peripheral nervous system into the central nervous system,” they wrote.

The brain was clearly infected, including areas that make the message-carrying chemical dopamine, which are also destroyed in Parkinson's.

Cells died, not enough to cause Parkinson's, but the immune systems of the mice remained activated.

In Parkinson's, the affected brain cells die for unknown reasons but improper immune attack has been one theory.

Clusters of neurological disease sometimes have been reported after influenza pandemics and this study could help explain them, the researchers said.

Perhaps some strains of flu affect the brains of survivors, making them vulnerable to brain-wasting diseases later in life, they said.

“The offending agent may cause a long-lasting immune response in the brain that persists many years after the insult has resolved, leading to a ‘hit and run' mechanism where the original insult is no longer present but the secondary sequelae persists,” they wrote.


From: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-like-brain-damage-study-says/article1247100/






Finger lickin' good!



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http://www.foodsafetyfirst.ca/email/10nov-19-en.html

As unbelievable as this may seem, the federal Minister of Agriculture admitted yesterday that Ottawa has chosen to ignore one of the most important recommendations coming out of the investigation into the Maple Leaf Foods listeriosis disaster more than two years ago.

This cavalier decision could have lasting negative consequences for the safety of Canada's food.

Sheila Weatherill was appointed to find out how our food safety system broke down to the point that 22 died after eating contaminated cold cuts and to recommend reforms to make sure this never happens again.

She uncovered some shocking things.

Weatherill found that Ottawa had rolled the dice and implemented a new and unproven inspection system just before the Maple Leaf Foods outbreak.

She concluded the new system needed “critical improvements related to its design, planning and implementation” and found that Ottawa went ahead even though the government did not know how many inspectors it would take to make the new system work properly.

In short, Ottawa gambled with our food safety and Canadians lost.

Weatherill called for an independent audit to determine the level of inspection resources needed to make the new system work properly to safeguard Canadians. She wanted that audit to assess the number of meat processing plants an inspector could realistically cover.

Now we've learned that Ottawa has turned its back on this clear and important recommendation. The result is that the Canadian Food Inspection Agency still has no idea how many inspectors are needed to safeguard our food supply.

In fact, there were more process meat inspectors in place before the Maple Leaf Foods outbreak than the CFIA estimates are needed now, according to the inspectors union!






No audit of meat plant inspectors done

By Sarah Schmidt,
November 18, 2010


OTTAWA — Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz on Thursday conceded the government has not conducted an external audit to determine how many inspectors are needed to police Canada's meat plants.

In the wake of the deadly listeriosis outbreak in the summer of 2008, independent investigator Sheila Weatherill said a resources audit by outside experts was needed because the Canadian Food Inspection Agency implemented its new inspection system without conducting a full assessment of resources required.

Article here




Conservatives defend food safety as furor grows over CFIA audit



Minister unsure how many Canadian inspectors watching animals bound for slaughter



Canada still lacking inspectors at meat plants: CFIA




Food contaminated with Salmonella may not look or smell spoiled. Consumption of food contaminated with this bacteria may cause salmonellosis, a foodborne illness. In young children, the elderly and people with weakened immune systems, salmonellosis may cause serious and sometimes deadly infections. In otherwise healthy people, salmonellosis may cause short-term symptoms such as high fever, severe headache, vomiting, nausea, abdominal pain and diarrhea. Long-term complications may include severe arthritis.



Sounds like fun.


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I was thinking about food quality when I was driving past farmed fields. They pump a lot of manure over them every year but that is just a lot of nitrogen which makes plants grow very quickly. I wondered if they put other minerals back into the soil. Fast growing vegetable aren't necessarily full of vitamins.

But then I think of the tough old Dutch and German farmers and they probably just want the best dollar for the fastest product to the market table.



A river of waste

A heart-stopping new documentary, A RIVER OF WASTE exposes a huge health and environmental scandal in our modern industrial system of meat and poultry production. Some scientists have gone so far as to call the condemned current factory farm practices as "mini Chernobyls." In the U.S. and elsewhere, the meat and poultry industry is dominated by dangerous uses of arsenic, antibiotics, growth hormones and by the dumping of massive amounts of sewage in fragile waterways and environments. The film documents the vast catastrophic impact on the environment and public health as well as focuses on the individual lives damaged and destroyed.





Worth watching... Scary.



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The problem isn't controlling the food supply, it's controlling the demand side IE we have about 4 BILLION too many people with raging hormones. All men should make a sperm bank donation (maybe multiples for a margin of safety) and then get snipped at puberty. No more unwanted babies - no more problem. If people actually had to make an effort to have kids there would be a lot less of them.......end rant
 

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Personally I dont know why this thread has gone past the OP's biased opinions....she does not like meat nor does she eat it...yet she will post a rant about the "evils" of meat and the meat that is produced via government standards/inspections...from atop her lil soap box...from which she also preaches about global warming/big oil and other such stuff and I imagine she would have picked up the BS torch about how the "endangered Amazon Rain Forest" was going to be destroyed in 1981 within 10 years if she were old enough......funny thing....the "endangered Amazon Rain Forest" is doing mighty fine these days and is 90% intact compared to what it was 30 years ago....but that lil fact is not widely talked about.

Be it Animal rights or global warming or....whatever is popular at the time...the OP is just trying to push her personal agenda onto others on this board....and given that the average pooner does not give a rats ass abouth the treatment of cattle in a stockyard I fail to see how her thoughts and ideas about this have ANY relevence on a board whose chief goal is the dissemination of information about SP's for the guys that see them.

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Its an open thread or line of discussion, she is a respected member.

I do eat chicken , turkey and beef etc but I generally agree with Bijou. Our saftey/inspection processes have fallen horribly. Agribiz., the producers, pharmaceutics, etc and govn. cuts have lead to this.

Think leaving the meat will help?. Worldwide we have allowed patten protection for genes, a soy plant that thrives if sprayed directly with round up. Better yield lower costs, dominating markets, Think and maybe laugh a little at what those yuppie tofu eaters are consuming.

Bigou is essentially right. Evan sml farms must compete and they buy seed or feed and use hormones etc. Even lettuce is sprayed with filthy water n not cleaned, remember the recalls of spinach the last few summers. It's a big and growing problem.

If we want our food at the lowest price we get the lowest quality. Just short of mass death (and there is ab acceptable loss calculation) just barely below the threshold of majority outcry is what we will get. You want safer, you gotta pay, you want more humane, you gotta pay.

Bijou have you ever tried an organically produced steak? Try it, any of you. Thats how its supposed to be. She's right but I love a good steak now and then. Too bad there so bloody expensive.
 

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Be it Animal rights or global warming or....whatever is popular at the time...the OP is just trying to push her personal agenda onto others on this board....and given that the average pooner does not give a rats ass abouth the treatment of cattle in a stockyard I fail to see how her thoughts and ideas about this have ANY relevence on a board whose chief goal is the dissemination of information about SP's for the guys that see them.

SR
It's a Lounge, so people can discuss pretty much what ever they wish as long as it follows the rules of respectability. Or is there a connection between pooning and Irish jokes, favourite hockey players, and the evils of wearing black shoes that I have missed? If you don't like the subject matter, you're free to just not read it.
 

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The problem isn't the relatively wealthy, intelligent, educated people. The problem is the poor, dumb, functionally illiterate people.

Well, the bigger problem IMO, is that the wealthy countries waste and over consume food and water that could feed the poorer countries.




If a person buys their food from small family farms, they are eating safe food.

Not necessarily. Small family farms have to send their animal to a slaughterhouse at some point, don't they? All it takes is one infected animal and a negligent worker....no?
 

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The wealthy west have been lowering their intake of beef. However we're doing well at converting the poor in other areas to burgers. We are a wonderful species.
 

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Well, the bigger problem IMO, is that the wealthy countries waste and over consume food and water that could feed the poorer countries.


Bijou, while I love your spirit, I have to say that feeding people who are unable to feed themselves, leads only to more mouths to feed. 6 billion people living our western lifestyle? Where are we going to get another 4 billion refrigerators? 4 billion more cars? 25 billion pairs of shoes? And OMG what if they all want to dress like Spermie? Where is THAT going to come from? Sooner or later nature will correct the imbalance and that's going to be ugly. Urban populations tend to have less children simply because kids are too expensive to feed when there is no farm work to justify them. Given the pill and other wonderful means of contraception, that trend will continue but it might take too long to avoid the Ugly headed our way.
 

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Personally I dont know why this thread has gone past the OP's biased opinions....she does not like meat nor does she eat it...yet she will post a rant about the "evils" of meat and the meat that is produced via government standards/inspections...from atop her lil soap box...from which she also preaches about global warming/big oil and other such stuff and I imagine she would have picked up the BS torch about how the "endangered Amazon Rain Forest" was going to be destroyed in 1981 within 10 years if she were old enough......funny thing....the "endangered Amazon Rain Forest" is doing mighty fine these days and is 90% intact compared to what it was 30 years ago....but that lil fact is not widely talked about.

Be it Animal rights or global warming or....whatever is popular at the time...the OP is just trying to push her personal agenda onto others on this board....and given that the average pooner does not give a rats ass abouth the treatment of cattle in a stockyard I fail to see how her thoughts and ideas about this have ANY relevence on a board whose chief goal is the dissemination of information about SP's for the guys that see them.

SR


blah blah blah

Actually, this isn't specifically about meat. If you'd taken a few minutes to read instead of going straight to your usual close-minded assumptions and not even giving bothering to think, you would have known it's about food. All food - not just meat. When herbs like basil get recalled for possible salmonella contamination, the issue is about more than whether you eat meat or you don't.. Maybe you refuse to even consider there might be a problem with the way we do certain things, but don't assume everyone else feels the same.


Some people actually like to question things and come to their own conclusions based on what they believe. It's your prerogative to stay away from anything that might go against the way you've always done things, "just because". I'm not sure why these issues make you so defensive and aggressive but I'd really question why that is if I were you. Oh that's right, I forgot..you don't like to question yourself or anything else for that matter. It's all a secret agenda... You don't care about the safety of your food? Good for you, enjoy your salmonella.. Call me crazy but I personally prefer to avoid violent diarrhea as much as possible but if you're cool with it, good for you. :rolleyes:


If you're not happy with the topic, don't read it...I won't lose sleep over it. But if you're going to bitch about it, then how about you give us some arguments (other than my secret agenda) as to why you disagree. I'm not ranting without anything to support my comments - unlike you, who always seems to have to chime in and bring up completely irrelevant bs, but nothing to actually contribute to a healthy discussion.There are plenty of threads all over this website to talk about pussy - if that's all you want to talk about, go for it.


OK so you don't give a shit what is said or what is fact, you've already decided what your opinion is and you get pissy when someone challenges your position...... Well, suit yourself but I think it's a ridiculously lazy and cowardly way to go through life. You disagree? Stop trying to distract from the issue, leave the pathetic attacks on me and my supposed "agenda" (because i'm not keen on the possibility of e-coli, salmonella or worse getting into my food?!?) and attempts to discredit. Stick to the subject, make an attempt to debate your point with actual facts to support your arguments....

Or STFU.




As far as your comment about people "not give a rats ass about the treatment of cattle in a stockyard" -


And by swell, I really mean ASSHOLE


I wouldn't be so quick to assume the average pooner or person is insensitive to unnecessary suffering. Actually, most people tend to worry about a person who lacks any kind of compassion for animals who are suffering so I wouldn't brag about that too much. If you can't consider the possibility that maybe humans have responsibilities that go beyond just making sure their own personal needs are met, then you have nothing to gain or contribute to this or any other related discussion (or to the planet!). You're starting to piss me off with your disregard for anything that threatens your own selfish little comfort and your ignorant, uninformed drivel. Keep living under that rock if you want but don't expect everyone to want to live there too.





 

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The law in Canada doesn't require that family farms slaughter at a large slaughter house. That's you transferring American practice to Canada again. In Canada, the government still employees and pays the food inspectors - unlike the USA where food inspectors are employed and paid by the people they are "inspecting" That means a specialty butcher can build and certify a slaughter facility to take the animals from the farms that grow organic beef.

OK thanks for the clarification. It is often hard to find information specific to Canada. I wasn't sure about that because I read something about a guy who wanted to slaughter horses but said he couldn't because he wasn't licenced... or something similar. So I wasn't quite sure what the deal was. So they slaughter the animals on-site?


As for the inspectors.. I won't really get into it too much but it's kind of a hot issue right now because they are super under-staffed & over-worked. They have to cover more than one slaughterhouse and have very little time to actually inspect. To make up for the lack of inspectors, they often send administrative employees to perform those duties. It's kind of a real mess. This is what has come out of the investigation of the Maple Leaf outbreak as well as documents obtained by requests through the access to information act. And a few Canadian slaughterhouses have actually "failed" when they were inspected by the US (because they export). The US actually qualify Canada's inspection system as lax. :eek:
 

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My favourite food right now is popcorn.



It's so healthy and filling and has fibre and tastes great with ALL-NATURAL 100% REAL BUTTER MADE FROM REAL CREAM THAT COMES FROM 100% REAL COWS!

Delish! :)
lol, Spermie, you're a cutie pie. I love pop corn. I eat it with goats butter made from a local farm and then I put my own spice that I make from a blend of whatever spices I feel like throwing in a pepper grinder. I think I'm going to go make some right now, mmmmmmmmmm
 

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lol, Spermie, you're a cutie pie. I love pop corn. I eat it with goats butter made from a local farm and then I put my own spice that I make from a blend of whatever spices I feel like throwing in a pepper grinder. I think I'm going to go make some right now, mmmmmmmmmm

Thanks, that was delish.
 

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When I sit down for a meal--whether dining in or dining out--I eat meat. I eat beef. I eat pork. I eat chicken. I eat duck. I eat seafood. A meal without meat is not a meal at all. I do not want salads and Evian water. I want dead and seasoned and grilled/roasted/pan-fried/batter dipped and deep-fried animal flesh on my plate. A day without meat is a day without sunshine.

I know I won't live a long life because of my eating habits. I probably won't live to celebrate my 60th birthday. To paraphrase Frank Sinatra, I want to DO IT MY WAY.

Yup.
DAMN RIGHT


To quote a friend of mine..."Salad is not food.....salad is what food eats"

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THE END IS NIGH! Storm rider and I actually agree on something.
Well if the the world is coming to an end....then Spermie and I should enjoy last meal togeather...this should do.

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Spermie and I will feast on this whilst getting BBBJ's from pretty Sugarlings.....gals that love to give good service without the "my shit dont stink attitude"


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