We dont oen our new hospita??????

the old maxx50

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Someone just informed me today

That the people of Bc and Victoria hospital board .do not own the newest addition to the Jubali hospital We are leasing it from some american corparation and it is not even fully equiped

First off i though we were paying on a loan placed on our deficit But it sounds like we are paying for some one elses loan They end up owning the building and we the people own nothing

IS this how it is All going where we just are paying corparation to own what once was puplic Looks like we are going backwards 200 ...300 yrs where CP and the Hudson Bayc compang owned half of Canada Now once again it some none Canadian corp that we pay our tax dollor to
 
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Cock Throppled

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Welcome to the Wonderful World of the BC Liberal Party.

Oh, and we just lost another 15,000 jobs, Crusty.
 

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Welcome to the Wonderful World of the BC Liberal Party.

Oh, and we just lost another 15,000 jobs, Crusty.
Yeah, so let's vote the "other" party in that's led by a crook. I swear the province is still feeling the effects of the last time they were in power - people that have no business experience, love to run up huge debts, and think all union members deserve fat raises regardless of the state of the economy... then take a look at how many jobs are lost....
 

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For all that is sacred, please use a spell checker when you post.

If you look at recent upgrades to hospitals they have been funded my large personal donations i.e. Jimmy Pattison and the Ho Family for instance who together have donated in excess of $10M just at Lions Gate Hospital. Pattison has also donated millions to VGH too. Then additional funding comes from individual fund raisers.

It's time Royal Jubilee also got into step and do some of their own fund raising.

It doesn't matter who is the government of the day because the money is already allocated as per their budget. If you want to fast track a hospital project get a billionaire to contribute some bucks to the project.
 

the old maxx50

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no spell check on my phone
Sorry guy that you need an interpreter
You have to intal the Maxx ap lol

But i think you all are missing the point of the post or i guess you just dont care
That judt seems to be the Canadian way ...take it in the ass and say "More please"
 

the old maxx50

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I can read the post .. and can others ..so panther you need glasses

There is no solution to this politicaly because they are the people that put us in this mess.All the parties

My bloody fingers are tl big for my touch key pad
 

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It took us 10 years to get out of that ditch the NDP stuck us in. In their last time in government. Now they've got a leader in Adrian Dix who was removed from office for Fraud. First thing he wants to do when elected is remove provisions to have balanced budgets. Be afraid BC residents be very afraid of the drunken party these assholes will throw for 5 years at the cost of our economy. Go from a have province to a flush us it's over have not province overnight.

Liberals might have caused us many facepalms but at least the economy is finally stable. An NDP government will gut us completely.
The argument is moot because the number of scandals, lies and waste from the Lieberals, combined with the current unelected Bimbo with no ethics have doomed them, but seriously you would still vote for these reptiles?

They currently have balanced budget legislation which they ignore more years than not, so that's pretty meaningless. The current budget they tabled is a fraud based on magical sales of assets with no detail of what assets and whether they will sell for the asking price. Also based on cutting spending to levels they never achieved during the last decade+ in office.

Cambbell (remeber him - a convicted drunk driver) closed courthouses and underfunded the legal system. Still vote for him if you were assaulted and the case got thrown out because of delays? The Surrey Six still haven't gone to trial six years after multiple murders.

I've got news for you - the Province already is a have-not province due to the Liberals wasting money on TV ads, Indian film awards, and paying off Basi and Virk. My companies did well through the 90's and the doom and gloom is mostly Liberal rhetoric.

Don Cayo in The Sun compared economic growth during the 90's under NDP and the 200's under the Liberal and they were almost the same.

The BC Rail sale may still result in an investigation and criminal charges.

PS - Dix wasn't removed from office, he wasn't in office at the time. He was Glen Clarke's legislative assistant.
 

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there are a few private hospitals in the Vancouver area. One I know of is in Kits and another is trying to open up on Marine drive in the historic Casa Mia house. The Gov. will try every way it can to slowly intergrate the US system up here for all their new friends to make big bucks.
 

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with a multi tiered health care system. Britain, France and most of Scandinavia have had them for years which function very well thank you very much.

In those countries, everyone gets their "National Health (Uk)" and then they have the option of paying for more services like we do with Bluecross and other insurance companies. I have a friend from the UK who came through town last year and he reckoned they had at least FIVE tiers of health care. Nobody complains about it because everyone is covered. Now, if you want a private room after surgery you will need a certain tier or you will be in a general ward with five other people. etc etc.

This stuff about the Liberals did this or the NDP did that is all white noise. Our system has been broken for decades and our tax burden towards health care is approaching 50% of our tax revenues. In the Clark era they threw a bunch of highly educated suits at the problem and paid them royally. Did they fix it, NO. Instead of investing in more Dr's and RN's or more up to date equipment; they built lavish offices within the hospitals. Take a tour of LGH or VGH offices and you would think you were visiting the most successful company in BC. Net result, they hired more admin staff to oversee the existing problem.

Then the Liberals got back in and what did they do? Regionalize the system. Fraser Health, Vancouver Coastal, Vancouver Island and Gulf Island plus whatever they call it in the Interior/North/ etc etc. Guess what, more suits got hired to manage a larger geographic area. Again missing the whole problem of not enough Dr's, RN's, BioMed Techs etc.

Meanwhile, the province's population is growing, hospitals are ALL needing upgrading, Dr's and RN's are leaving because they are over worked and not paid enough to keep them. They have their holidays cancelled because they are short staffed because there is no backup when they go on holidays.

Then you have the elderly who do not have proper care facilities because funding was removed by BOTH governments which put it on course for "privatization". Privatization moved in and in some cases charge the family up to $10K per month. (Don't believe me? There is a new multi storied private assisted living facility that opened last summer. It is less than half full because they charge $10K per month. Nobody wants it and it sits there half empty rather than reduce their prices) Not many families can afford that so they bleed the system by dropping grandma or grand dad off at the Emergency Room and say they are too much to handle and now you have a Bed Blocker residing in an acute bed because there is no where else to send them. Worst is some of these people are so severely demented that their quality of life is disgusting to the families and never get a visit from a family member.

So here is what you do. Make friends with a few couples who are either RN's or Dr's and live close to them so you can call upon them if you have poor health. Or buy a Duplex near a hospital and rent out half of it to a RN or a Dr. If in a pinch, ask them for help. Pray you don't get Alzheimer's, Parkinsons or Dementia. Keep your minds active people :D

Reason: There will be NO place to house you or your SO at a reasonable price anywhere in BC when you really need it within the next 20 years.
 

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I agree we shpould have a multi-tiered system.

Gordon Campbell took a nice summer vacation tour of health systems in Europe around 2006 and saw how efficient and cheaper they are and came back with what? A full belly and a nice tan. Absolutely nothing was implemented except once again, as badbadboy said more levels of administration were added.

I have a relative who is a nurse and she says they sometimes run short of supplies at her hospital, but there is a communications department of six people just for her hospital. Middle managers are multiplying like flies while the front line people are told to make do.


Germany has one manager for every 50 that we have. The money in health care is being eaten up by pharmaceutical companies pushing their drugs, expensive buildings instead of one design, middle management ad archaic rules and methods.

Will anything change under the NDP? Nope. Money thrown at the problem disappears down a black hole. The system needs an overhaul.

There needs to more in-home care and better preventive medicine, more access to cheaper alternative treatments, less pandering from lobbyists and it has to be country-wide.
 

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I suspect that maxx was referring to PPP - Public Private Partnerships - one of the more insidious financing arrangements used by unethical governments in the palm of big business. The public pays, and pays, and pays...... and the private organizations make the big bucks. The Globe and Mail (not known for being left-leaning) did a study of the finances of one Ontario hospital and found the cost was significantly higher than if the hospital had been government funded. The problem is primarily political because the debt created to build the infrastructure shows up as government debt. The private company, which takes on the debt at higher cost, shows the debt on their books.
 

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If is what every one want Not
Sure if you got a njce job that pays for exster medical you can say let them eat vake
But over 50% dont have those benifits. And we are very fortunit to be in a country lime this

So why does every one want to undermine what is good ..from hospital employies stealing and not doing tberr jobs .to boards tsking big saleries and help friends with over payed admin job and taking kickbacks for drugs a d equipment

But as lo g as taxes are paying for it we should know who is tsking the profites and own the building when thry are on our land and we payed for them
 
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