Victoria Providers

[Biguy]

In Victoria the newspapers that used to advertise adult services/SPs/massage etc. have disappeared and those that still exist don't advertise for adults. It's the same in many other cities.

BP and CL carry coded ads. which are often ambiguous or scamming and web surfing is not always an option. Are there 'disguised' classified headings that are useful?

Is this a trend from C-36? Have providers and users now been shut down - nowhere for providers to advertise or users to find providers - or has demand reduced so much, making Victoria a success model for C-36 sponsors?

Are advert contents and users being monitored and targeted by LE under C-36 rules? Publishers seem nervous and useful and explicit advert content seems dangerous, now.

Other than Perb where can we look for services, now? Where can we find our favourite or new SPs? Where are their adverts now?

Is this the end of life as we've known it in Victoria?

Hoping for some informed optimism.

 

[whitemoustache]

All I can tell you is that Victoria LE will not be targeting individual johns. Their focus is on those who 'commodify' sex, who ensure a supply of providers, who set up third party advertising for their providers, and who live off the avails of what is provided . . . in plain English, the pimps and panderers. If a high profile and indiscreet john happens to get caught in a sweep, he can expect the full shaming, name in paper, charges read out in court, everything but the tar and feathers and a ride out of town on a rail. The abuse has to be pretty flagrant to attract their attention, I'm told, because they have far more pressing investigations to run. Some of our local law enforcement are as unhappy as we are, and that includes the ladies, about the wording and spirit of the new law. A few providers who chose the profession, and were in no way coerced into it, resent the implication that they were unable to find other careers, or that they are 'fallen' women who need rescuing.
A close reading of the law reveals that an sp may advertise her services, but a third party may not, because the providers are not the targets, only those who prey upon them. This is what concerns the agencies, who up to now have borne the cost of advertising. Add yet another expense to the list of what a self-employed provider has to pay to earn a living. The geniuses who drafted this legislation may be way off in targeting the agencies as pimps, because the local ones, in my experience, are more protective of the providers than they are exploitative.

 

[Biguy]

Thanks for your informed comments, WM. So helpful. C-36 seems to have had a chilling effect even though it seems, from your thoughts, that individual SPs, advertising their services, are not targets and are not behaving unlawfully. I have read that any advertising of services is unlawful. C-36 seems entirely ambiguous and challenges the risk averse.

The chill seems also to have eliminated advertising mediums, anyway. Adult classifieds were an ordinary way of life. Now they have all gone. Publishers taken fright? Were they afraid of being cited as pimps? MM as a pimp?

Has adult life been shut down in Victoria by C-36 or is there just no lust left in the city?

 

[Hairypalms]

Agree in that C-36 has reduced business - going off of comments from SP's. But, in addition to Backpage and limited number of ads on LeoList there is 3 well known agencies in Victoria and all seem to running just fine still. Class Choice Escorts, Sweet VIPS and Seduction Unlimited are all reviewed on this board as are a number of Indies you can look up such as Peyton Anders. There is a number of scams on BB, so check reviews of the lady. I would say the same of Adult Classifieds, but their demise is probably a combo of the new law and trends for SP's using the internet sites as the better option.

 

[Sweet_Cherry]

Am I the only one confused here?

I feel the need to weigh in on this thread, as it would appear whitemoustache's thoughtful, and very well written reply didn't solve the riddle that Biguy currently finds so perplexing, as it only touched on the subject of advertising.
Hairypalms' response was, in my opinion, a bit more on point regarding the subject of advertising, but left me feeling as if further clarification was required in regard to his comments concerning the current 'operational tempo' of Victoria's SPs.

Let me first try and shed a little light on this 'hot-button debacle' that is the newspaper classifieds, and their apparent lack of escort advertising, in post-C-36 Canada.
Through my own personal observations, as well as discussions I've had with my male friends, and clients, I surmize that beginning as far back as the turn of the millennium, SPs advertising habits began to shift away from the printing presses, and onto the computer screen.
The advantages online advertising has over posting one's ads in their local newspaper's classified section, are as obvious as they are plentiful. Plus, when one takes into account the behavioural habits of humans, we will almost always gravitate toward methods which are vastly superior, far easier, while yielding better results. (maybe that goes without saying....)


Examples of the massive advantage online advertising has over newspaper classified ads: (just off the top of my head)
-Lower cost. CL ads are free, and while backpage charges $5 per ad, I believe this is still far less than newspaper classifieds
-More anonymity/privacy is maintained by posting ads online rather than phoning-in/emailing them to the newspaper.
-The viewership online is much higher than the readership of a newspaper.
-Convenience. Online ads can now be posted from mobile devices, making it possible, no matter your location.
-Pictures/Videos. Clients can actually have more than just the girl's voice, and a ten word description to aid them in their choices.
-Longer/more descriptive ads. ...who can make an informed decision based on: 'Candi-32, blonde, 5'4"/123lb. busty&fun'?
-It's simply where the scene is. A very large portion of the Internet is devoted to adult entertainment. To advertise any other way would, in my opinion, negatively affect a provider's image, and make her appear to be sadly outdated.

In addition to the advertising issue, Biguy goes on to paint the Victoria SP scene as a barren, lustless, post-apocalyptic wasteland, where working girls have thrown in the proverbial towel, and johns have been reduced to beating-off to old porn, far too intimidated to even surf for new material online... A once thriving market, catastrophically decimated by the unimaginable destructive power of the Harper/McKay-built, Anti-Sex-Trade Mega-Kickass Ballistic Cruise Missile, commonly known as Bill C-36. Ummmm...


I cannot speak for everyone involved in the Victoria scene, but I have seen a slight increase in business, since Bill C-36 became law. The same situation seems to exist basically across-the-board with the services operated by the many independent providers with whom I regularly converse.


So, where is the OP getting this information he is using to try and paint a much, much more dismal, basically hopeless, not to mention, false picture of our scene? Biguy's curious insistence that the Victoria adult scene is dead-and-gone, makes for slightly bizarre reading, to say the least...

Possibly he sees a reduction in the number of girls posting on BP, or other online advertising venues, and figures that is directly proportional to the number of working girls. If I don't post an ad on a particular day, that doesn't mean I'm not available, it most likely means I'm busy, and I'm sure it's the same with most other girls.
I'm pretty sure that a lack of advertising is usually representative of an upswing in the market, rather than of a downturn.

Seems fishy to me, but I'll leave it up to everyone to form their own opinions concerning Biguy's insistence that the populous of Victoria has been scared straight, and basically the entire adult industry is MIA.

Maybe he thinks we ladies should shift into 'self-preservation panic mode', and slash prices to the bone, in order to save what little is left of our 'comatose' local scene... He should know we're just a we bit sharper than that.

 

[RobBC]

Well said.

I cannot speak for everyone involved in the Victoria scene, but I have seen a slight increase in business, since Bill C-36 became law. The same situation seems to exist basically across-the-board with the services operated by the many independent providers with whom I regularly converse.

I'm genuinely curious about this, if you don't mind commenting: by increase do you mean more clients (ie seeing more people you haven't seen before/not in a long time), more revenue (ie # of sessions or clients might not have changed but clients going for longer sessions), or regulars seeing you more often?

 

[StunninglySexyCC]

I would concur with both Cherry and Electra. As far as I can determine, business is UP not down. I sense this is true especially for the more established, well reviewed providers. As Electra suggests, clients tend to be more selective in who they see; opting more for ATF's than new girls who aren't established. I think this also applies to new clients searching out service providers.

I've heard from some clients that they tend to prefer SP's with websites as these provide a greater sense of professionalism and also offer a greater degree of discretion when booking an appointment through a website than when dealing an unknown provider on BP who offers a few pics and a telephone number.

That Bill C-36 has put a scare into some folks is undoubtedly true. As with any draconian legislation, only time will tell what the actual impact of Bill C-36 on our community but I sense that C-36 will ultimately have less of an impact on client/provider relationships that first thought. That said, it's a ridiculous piece of legislation that reflects no understanding of the REAL issues within our community and serves only to pad the egos of a conservative politicians.

 

[luvsdaty]

Talking to the regulars I've seen , they've said biz is down ,SU girls have said it got bad for them when Monty's closed down. CCE girls ditto, haven't seen VIP girls lately.The indy girls I've seen (mostly bp girls) say it's gone dry since fort mac slowed down. I can always tell when it slows down when sp's start texting me( not cool at all) asking if I wanna see them. As far as sp's dropping their prices? Yeah I don't think that'll happen any time soon. Maybe , maaaaaaaybe you might see the odd 20/40 minute special but that's about it.

 

[Sweet_Cherry]

It would appear that Electra and CC are experiencing the same trends as myself, and the SPs whom I've spoken with concerning this subject.
I've definitely been experiencing a renaissance of sorts amongst many clients I haven't seen since I began escorting in mid-July, 2012. This trend is certainly in-line with the situation described by Electra and CC. I've also seen a slight increase in the new client/first-timer demographic, and an overall shift in the average age of clients who choose my service. Before C-36, the average age of my clients was approximately 45 years old. However, since the bill was passed, I've seen that number fall to approximately 35 years of age, with a notable increase in clients who are under 25.
There is only one group in which I've experienced a large (and most welcomed) decrease... The beloved time-waster, prank caller, and stand-up artist ilk. I'm not sure if they figure the benefits no longer outweigh the risks, or precisely why this is... but I'm sure all of my lady friends will agree when I say, good riddance. (I just hope all girls have experienced this pleasant change)
While I don't doubt them, and completely trust their source, I'm very surprised by luvsdaty's comments, as no one I've talked to has described anything close to that. As far as any fallout from the Fort Mac slowdown goes... I wasn't even aware there was a Fort Mac slowdown, so I guess that tells me two things: I must not have any clients who work there, and that I'm even more sheltered from society than I thought... I really need to get cable!
Also, I have to say that I'm quite shocked that there are SPs who actually send their clients unsolicited texts! My God, I'd really think I'd starve first... I won't text a client back if it's been over thirty minutes since they texted me, for fear they're now in a situation where they can't really be receiving texts from an escort...
It saddens me to hear that this lame attempt at effective legislation is affecting some girl's business because, like CC said, it does nothing to stop the truly evil acts which give our occupation a bad name, nor to stop those individuals committing those offences.

 

[Biguy]

"Seems fishy to me, but I'll leave it up to everyone to form their own opinions concerning Biguy's insistence that the populous of Victoria has been scared straight, and basically the entire adult industry is MIA.

Maybe he thinks we ladies should shift into 'self-preservation panic mode', and slash prices to the bone, in order to save what little is left of our 'comatose' local scene... He should know we're just a we bit sharper than that."

I was simply asking some questions. No need to expand or infer opinions that I didn't express. Actually I didn't discuss SP pricing. I would hope that SP prices remain as high as markets permit. Such personal services require realistic pricing that reflects quality of service and safety for providers and clients.

My original post did not in any way denigrate providers. I simply wondered about the effect of C-36 on advertising opportunities for SP's and alternatives to printed classifieds. It seems that BP and CL and other online sources are no the sole resource. So my question is answered. It wasn't an invite to launch an attack and I am very happy that C-36 is not having the negative effect that some have imagined. My remark that 'lust' might be lost in Victoria was not intended to be taken too seriously. Lighten up, eh.

 

[Sweet_Cherry]

Too serious? ...me?

My original post did not in any way denigrate providers. I simply wondered about the effect of C-36 on advertising opportunities for SP's and alternatives to printed classifieds. It seems that BP and CL and other online sources are no the sole resource. So my question is answered. It wasn't an invite to launch an attack and I am very happy that C-36 is not having the negative effect that some have imagined. My remark that 'lust' might be lost in Victoria was not intended to be taken too seriously. Lighten up, eh.

I take most things in this industry lightheartedly... If I didnt, I'd surely be working in another sector by now. As far as my 'attack' is concerned, I was simply pointing out your uncommon tendency to forge ahead, no matter what other posters said, and no matter how contrary to your views it was.

If you took my comments as a personal attack, you have my sincerest apologies. My words were simply intended to dispel what I viewed as confusing, and predominately false statements, and to help answer your original questions.

This is my job, and how I earn my living. Like many of the fine providers in Victoria, I am proud of what I do. I love what I do. I felt it was possible your posts were possibly a bizarre attempt to somehow disrupt the local trade. The line you claim was humour, was possibly intended as just that. However, the remainder of your comments certainly had a dark underlying theme, and to be using the newspaper classifieds as your barometer, was again, simply bizarre.

I felt I wrote a humorous rebuttal to what I saw as your slightly skewed view of my working environment. Judging by the other comments, I am not the only one who questions your theories on the post-C-36 decline, and possible demise of the Victoria scene.

I refuse to passively accept any post which contains blatant untruths, ulterior motives, or projects malicious intent toward any of my fellow SPs, or onto the Victoria area sex trade. Instead, I will actively do everything in my power to discredit such information, and minimize any negative effects it could have on all of our livelihoods.

 

[Biguy]

Cherry, as a long time, and continuing, Victoria customer of SPs I have every desire to support those who provide wonderful personal service. Nothing in my original post suggested to the contrary.

It's a fact that print classified advertising has mostly disappeared. My question was whether or not there are additional alternatives to online advertising. That's not a criticism of online advertising, websites, etc. It's simply a question. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

It's also a fact that, for many, it is not always convenient or possible to view online advertising. This is unfortunate when a 'window' opens to make an appointment. Print classifieds enabled a quick opportunity, when traveling, lunching, etc. to make a call to a provider, when internet access wasn't to hand.

So, my question was whether anybody knew of current print media carrying classifieds as a resource for discovery. The answer seems to be that print classifieds are no longer available. The questions wasn't 'dark' or 'malicious' and your responses seem to build straw men in order to knock them down.

To be clear. I am not seeking to 'disrupt local trade' with this question.

I am an an avid opponent of C-36 and am a loyal supporter of SP work. If ever there has been a device to 'disrupt local trade' anywhere in Canada, there is no worse an example than C-36. It is a fact that C-36 has negatively affected marketing and advertising of the services that so many users enjoy. It remains to be seen how application of the new law will happen around the country. Criminalizing customers does nothing to protect SPs who are mostly working sincerely to provide quality, valuable and enjoyable services. Equally C-36 does little to protect those who are being used by organized crime. Pre-existing laws were available and enforced.

C-36 is a cynical attempt to refute Canada's Supreme Court decision to confirm that previous laws criminalizing SP work were unconstitutional. C-36 has a chilling effect on many aspects of free speech and those freedoms are fundamental to your right to advertise, interact with clients and freely enjoy your chosen.

How you can possibly construe my initial questions about media advertising and then my comment about how C-36 is not good news, as having 'malicious intent' toward local SPs is beyond me.

You apologize if your words implied a personal attack but then you escalate the very misunderstanding that you apologize for.

Again, I'm a supporter of the continuing and safe conduct of local SP services. I admire and like the people with whom I interact. I have no 'dark' motives. I hope that those who seek to undermine safe SP work are, themselves, ultimately undermined, and I really don't believe 'lust' is lost in Victoria. I'd simply like for it to be exercised as freely as possible.

Here's a final fact, Cherry. Nobody likes being falsely accused. Many of your comments are personalized and unpleasant and are drawn from false assumptions. There is no hidden agenda in my posting and I entirely resent your contrived suggestion that there is.

 

[Sweet_Cherry]

That's fine. I completely accept your explanation, and don't think you had any hidden agendas, or any such ideas any longer.

Your original posts were written in a very odd, and confusing manner. I don't feel it was much of a stretch for myself, and others to draw a conclusion or two, or make a few assumptions.

I apologize for making incorrect assumptions about your posts, but like I said, I love my job, and many of my fellow Victoria providers. Anything I read which leads me to believe someone might be up to no good, I call them on it.

I don't like to be falsely accused either, and completely understand, and respect where you're coming from. I only ask you to please try and see things from my side as well.

By posting comments which are; incorrect, convoluted, bizarre, or which reference topics which are of a non-timely, and sadly outdated nature, you leave too many gaps, and raise a lot of questions. Please try to be more clear, and concise so you can avoid further misunderstandings.

 

[James BC]

Other than Perb where can we look for services, now? Where can we find our favourite or new SPs? Where are their adverts now?

Is this the end of life as we've known it in Victoria?

Hoping for some informed optimism.

i visit this website from time to time and have experience few encounter victoria provider

Happy hunting

 

[Biguy]

Thanks for the suggestion, JBC.

 

[James BC]

Thanks for the suggestion, JBC.

here another one i will add her to my list for my next trip on the island
http://victoria.backpage.com/Female...eat-delicious-goddess-incall-specials/7985863

 

[steverino]

James, see her recent review you may rethink your decision.

 

[James BC]

James, see her recent review you may rethink your decision.

I did not see her after have see the post of you guys. THANKS lot

JBC

 

[Ms.Fiona]

Thanks for your informed comments, WM. So helpful. C-36 seems to have had a chilling effect even though it seems, from your thoughts, that individual SPs, advertising their services, are not targets and are not behaving unlawfully. I have read that any advertising of services is unlawful. C-36 seems entirely ambiguous and challenges the risk averse.

The chill seems also to have eliminated advertising mediums, anyway. Adult classifieds were an ordinary way of life. Now they have all gone. Publishers taken fright? Were they afraid of being cited as pimps? MM as a pimp?

Has adult life been shut down in Victoria by C-36 or is there just no lust left in the city?

I will agree with the other ladies, I've noticed a big increase in regulars on a much more "regular" basis. It's always a challenge to find your perfect match(s) but I think even googling "Escorts in Victoria will give you alot of options, then the homework begins to find out whether your money will be well spent. We're here, just quieter. Unfortunately.

 

[CAEC]

Advertising

It's good to hear current info from Victoria SPs. There was discussion out of Vancouver as well with mixed comments about business being up or down.

As for the advertising question, the Conservative who was selling Bill C-36 in the House of Commons said sex workers would have the same ability to interact with other Canadians that any other Canadian has. That will matter to the courts if the police anywhere try to go after an advertising agency. It seems an advertising service provider such as Now Magazine, the Georgia Straight or a web site service provider would not be considered an advertiser but rather, a distributor of someone elses advertising. Only the party with authority over the content, distribution and response to advertising would be considered an advertiser under C-36.

This would explain why there has been no action against Now Magazine, the Georgia Straight or a web site service provider but there have been charges laid against an agency caught working with a minor and some individual "pimps". We will need to see how those court cases are handled but it seems no one is following them closely.