USA Political Thread 2024

[rlock]

You missed my point, but that's OK.

Exaggerating your wealth in financial statements is not against the law.

It's common.

Let me explain it in simple terms that everyone can understand.

If I go the bank and ask to borrow a million dollars against a building I say is worth 10 million dollars, they don't just take my word for it.

They will do their own assessment and act accordingly.

This is what happened in New York with Trump.

When tax is assesed, that assessment is made by the tax department.

Trump doesn't decide how much tax he has to pay.

This is basic stuff.

Unless you have TDS.

If you go to a bank for a loan and they want collateral, and you tell them you own a truck, it has to be a real one with real value, not a Tonka truck. What use would it be if they have to repo it for the value of the defaulted loan? Does atoy F150 have value? Sure - not even close to a real one though. If you lie to them about your assets for financial gain they give you, that is quite literally fraud. Even if you scale it up by adding more zeros to the value of what's being assessed. It's a crime that does not get punished enough in the western world, but still a crime.

Basic stuff, simple terms that everyone with an adult amount of judgement or ethics can understand.

 

[ModSquad]

Never a fan of Hillary but she nailed it with this one.

https://youtube.com/shorts/gzoArXEqTcg?si=Rc-5D4UWnkVZhla3

 

[Drjohn]

Never a fan of Hillary but she nailed it with this one.

https://youtube.com/shorts/gzoArXEqTcg?si=Rc-5D4UWnkVZhla3

Never a fan of Hillary but she nailed it with this one.

https://youtube.com/shorts/gzoArXEqTcg?si=Rc-5D4UWnkVZhla3

Hillary Clinton is human trash and a pathological liar.

Part of the reason Trump was elected is because people wanted anyone but her.

 

[carvesg]

Hillary Clinton is human trash and a pathological liar.

Part of the reason Trump was elected is because people wanted anyone but her.

Hillary would be the perfect match for the orange scammer . They would be the perfect couple....what a missed opportunity.

 

[angry anderson]

Hillary Clinton is human trash and a pathological liar.

And Trump isn't?

 

[Drjohn]

Hillary would be the perfect match for the orange scammer . They would be the perfect couple....what a missed opportunity.

What if they had a secret love child?

Gavin Newsome?

 

[thevalleydude]

Come off it. He lost the 2020 election and then urged his supporters to not accept the result and violently occupy the US Capitol to prevent the legal transfer of power, hoping the military would intervene on his side because he was going to be Commander In Chief for maybe a few more hours. Well, it didn't work: the putsch tanked, because his supporters were disorganized goofs, and even states which had GOP officials who had tipped the balance as far his way as much as they legally could were not willing to take the next step into an actual coup & resulting civil war.

That is some 3rd world shit, and stop trying to pretend it isn't. All that "blah blah blah, it's only legitimate when I win, reality ain't real" bullshit to disguise the fact that the US has become almost as corrupt & dysfunctional as places like the Congo or Haiti.
The difference is, Congo and Haiti are poor and desperate - what's America's excuse?

In any case, Trump might be the thing that finishes off US democracy, but it has been declining to oblivion since at least 2000. The actaul fatal blow might have been the "Citizens United" court case, which legalized most forms of political corruption.
Trump didn't invent the GOP dirty tricks playbook, but he has been uniquely skilled in bending it to take out his rivals and serve only himself.
Trump's quite old though, and no more with-it than Biden, so even if he won, he will not live long enough to see the results of his own lunacy play out.
Maybe the end-game for him is passing on the title of Eternal Leader to one of his devious spoiled children, like they do in Saudi Arabia or North Korea.

Come off it. At no point did he urge his supporters to violently occupy the US capital. He did ask them to go to the Capital and peacefully and patriotically protest the result. Show me anything that reveals that he hoped the military would intervene on his side other than your own speculation.

Of course those that entered the Capital were a bunch of disorganized goofs. None of it was planned and they were also unarmed and once inside did little or no damage other than one of them stealing a podium. Its an absolute joke to think that was anything close to a real insurrection and NO ONE was charged with being an insurrectionist.

You want to see a real insurrection?

That one was planned and successful.

 

[thevalleydude]

Loyalty, long lines, ‘civil war’ talk: A raging movement propels Trump - The Washington Post

OK so you are fine with removing the legally elected leader if its the party you dont like but fiercely object if its the party you support. Interesting concept of democracy there.

 

[carvesg]

What if they had a secret love child?

Gavin Newsome?

If you pick among politicians for a love child between those two ....the permutations are infinite as the lack of scruples is mind boggling for that species. As they forget what one hemisphere of the brain has said a minute ago when they go from left to right or vice versa ...

Our only hope during any election is to find a candidate that can acknowledge their mistakes, learn from it and apologize if it affected their constituents. Candidates with character and a moral core are near extinction. By the time a politician has enough experience these days to take power in higher offices ; they already have too much bagage to satisfy the majority of the electorate.

 

[thevalleydude]

I'm loving shorting the shit out of it.

But you ARE

The border issue is the only Trump card the gop can still play even after the Dems tried to enact the legislation that the republicans put forward previously. Anything they try to do to fix the problem gets voted down in the house because it’s the major talking point for the gop. They are not allowing people to stay in the US, they have had record detentions recently, they get processed and are deported, it’s easy to look up the facts.
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Wow....look at that jump between April 2020 and January 2021 after Biden took over. ...and the change in demographics after the Cartels began advertising their services for access into the USA worldwide through social media once Trump lost.

And I guess after being detained and expelled...even if true, they just shrug their shoulders, give up, sigh in resignation, and ride La Bestia back to where they came from.
In actual fact the current sheer volume basically gives them little time to get properly processed so basically the border guards just have to wave them through after giving them a plane ticket busfare, and a credit card. Its not like many of them are carrying ID to make themselves easily identifiable.

Under the rejected proposal more detention beds would be available but the problem was that that it would have codified illegal immigration into law and allowed it to continue ad infinitum. Waiting to see if a different president would be elected in November was a better option for those wanting a secure border.

 

[Diablo]

OK so you are fine with removing the legally elected leader if its the party you dont like but fiercely object if its the party you support. Interesting concept of democracy there.

And you never answered the question about possible 2nd insurrection if Trump loses the 2024 election.

 

[Drjohn]

And you never answered the question about possible 2nd insurrection if Trump loses the 2024 election.

For there to be 2nd insurrection, a 1st insurrection would have had to have occured.

I'm not aware of any recent insurrections in the US.

Maybe you could bring one to my attention.

Important to remember, an insurrection is an organized, armed attempt to overthrow a government.

 

[Diablo]

According to this :

1. an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government. Or you find a meaning from a established source and not your narrow definition. Not impressed with your stupidity,.

 

[angry anderson]

But you ARE

Wow....look at that jump between April 2020 and January 2021 after Biden took over. ...and the change in demographics after the Cartels began advertising their services for access into the USA worldwide through social media once Trump lost.

And I guess after being detained and expelled...even if true, they just shrug their shoulders, give up, sigh in resignation, and ride La Bestia back to where they came from.
In actual fact the current sheer volume basically gives them little time to get properly processed so basically the border guards just have to wave them through after giving them a plane ticket busfare, and a credit card. Its not like many of them are carrying ID to make themselves easily identifiable.

Under the rejected proposal more detention beds would be available but the problem was that that it would have codified illegal immigration into law and allowed it to continue ad infinitum. Waiting to see if a different president would be elected in November was a better option for those wanting a secure border.

As usual your response has nothing to do with what I posted. you have a serious case of mental and verbal diarrhea. There seems to be an epidemic of such mental failure occurring south of the border, suggested by some that half the population are suffering the mental effects of ingesting orange substance from the loins of their leader, and lies. but you seem to be enjoying yourself. so carry on. lol.

 

[Drjohn]

For there to be 2nd insurrection, a 1st insurrection would have had to have occured.

I'm not aware of any recent insurrections in the US.

Maybe you could bring one to my attention.

Important to remember, an insurrection is an organized, armed attempt to overthrow a government.

According to this :

1. an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government. Or you find a meaning from a established source and not your narrow definition. Not impressed with your stupidity,.

If you take out the revolt, rebellion and resistance parts, then Jan 6 was definitely an "insurrection".

Thanks for the insult.

You are a classless boor.

Google it.

 

[golferjohn]

What's the rationale in twisting/parsing/genuflecting whatever arguement there is in support of the ex-president? He lost the election and then decided to not leave peacefully (and then figured this ploy could make money from his donors). It's a simple exercise of extracting as much cash from anyone willing to give it to him...there's no ideology, there's no morality, there's no bottom.
So I repeat, what is so compelling about Trump that all of his behavour can be excused-away? Does the lying bother you? How about the cheating? Rape? no? Asking for a friend

 

[thevalleydude]

As usual your response has nothing to do with what I posted. you have a serious case of mental and verbal diarrhea. There seems to be an epidemic of such mental failure occurring south of the border, suggested by some that half the population are suffering the mental effects of ingesting orange substance from the loins of their leader, and lies. but you seem to be enjoying yourself. so carry on. lol.

You didnt read why I didnt answer it obviously. I could get insulting about that....and so many other things about you but I will refrain. Go back and take a look. Since then I have tried to ask you a specific question three times and you deliberately have avoided answering it so I just have to make assumptions. Its a TDS board with TDS mods aplenty, I knew it before I started and you can fire abuse as much as you want but I know if I ever fire anything back at you it will be banning or Perbatory. I am very likely to be having the last laugh when November rolls around anyway. And if not....you guys will have lots of opportunity to realize the mistake that you have made, just as most people now have in electing Trudeau for the last 10 years. And this thread has gained new life in the last couple of weeks when it seemed to be dying on the vine.

 

[thevalleydude]

And you never answered the question about possible 2nd insurrection if Trump loses the 2024 election.

I didnt because I missed it. But as I explained earlier and even showed a quote of what Trump actually said at the rally asking for peaceful and patriotic protest ...there was no first insurrection. There was a riot but no physical attempt to seize control of the government. If there was a legal actual insurrection those on the Capital grounds would have been charged with that...not trespassing or obstruction of a government proceeding. The actual most likely result is that Biden will declare martial law and seize control himself if Trump wins and you herd of clapping seals will be loudly applauding.

Trump has no backing from the military, from the media, from the intelligence services or homeland security. There is no way he can launch a successful insurrection even if he wanted to because the Democrats control all the levers of power. But he can and undoubtedly will stop the flow of illegals over the border on his first day in office and hopefully be able to negotiate a peace deal for Ukraine which the Democrats are not going to try to do.

Ah I remember the good old days when it was the Democrats who were anti establishment, anti war, pro free speech and didnt trust the CIA/FBI. Now the shoe is mostly on the other foot.

 

[Cock Throppled]

I'm amazed the word "insurrection" even gained traction, but that's only because media, for the most part act as an extention of the Democratic party. It's ludicrously ridiculous.

It is impossible to stage an insurrection, or try to overthrow any government without a lot of organization and the backing of the military or presence of a massive, armed private army. None of those things happened, or were even close.

If people think the most powerful nation on earth could be overthrown by a few hundred, or thousand people who stormed, or walked into a building, then they must have a pretty low opinion of how strong the US really is.

 

[80watts]

Its only as strong as the conscious of every individual voter. Do they still believe in their constitution? Their rights and freedoms.

Trumps Actions on Jan 6 have chipped away at the foundations of the constitution.

Its like the republican chipping away of "ROE vs WADE", since the early 70s. It was overturned by sliding the responsibility for abortion to the STATES. The States chipped away at abortion by enacting laws that you had to jump loops through to get an abortion and since the overturning of Roe vs Wade laws saying no abortion have taken place.

Trumps rigged "Supreme Court" even ruled against the constitution.
There is no doubt that Trump tried to overthrow a elected government, thus breaking his oath to protect and preserve the Constitution. The asshats in the SC said he is allowed to run for the office again. But is he allowed to hold the office. He will need to get 2/3 congress to vote to actually take office if elected in Nov 2024. The SC instead of making things simple, only added mud to the situation, just like they did with Roe vs Wade.

The end results is that all this political crap is only making it easier to divide the country.